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Title: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: mpregelj on July 25, 2006, 09:38:22 AM
http://www.azom.com/details.asp?newsID=6104 (http://www.azom.com/details.asp?newsID=6104)

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Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: koostos on July 25, 2006, 12:57:16 PM
Here is the patent.
I wonder how much the magnet is worth !!
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: c0mster on July 25, 2006, 06:06:14 PM
This looks like a fun project. I wonder if Tesla had neodymium magnets or if a ceramic bar magnet might work?
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: hartiberlin on July 25, 2006, 06:15:57 PM
Has this been tested ?
What is the output power versus input power ?
Many thanks for posting this.
Stefan.
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 25, 2006, 06:27:06 PM
After reading the first page or two... one thing to note is that the inventor describes -

"The Input and output physical positions may vary slightly from magnet to magnet, however in general these points are at the magnet center, 1/3rd along each end of the length of the magnet?s apposing North and South poles."

- this is exactly right, as you can see by magnetizing a piece of wire with a car battery.  By placing the piece of wire on top of and perpendicular to a copper rod that is connected between the two poles of a battery - the wire must be placed with it's center in contact with the rod.  It will not work to place it with the end (last 1/3) in contact with the wire.
You can test this yourself... or read Leedskalnin's Magnetic Current.

So, right off, I'd say this may be more than bullshit.  :o
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 25, 2006, 06:36:21 PM
Also, as described by Leedskalnin - a magnet is a conduit for magnetic current and does not generate magnetic force.
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: nightwynd on July 25, 2006, 06:40:22 PM
what i'm wondering is - what exactly is a tesla cone? and how do you make one? The rest of the setup seems simple enough to make - assuming you can get someone to custom manufacture you a magnet with conicle holes in it... anyone know where to get something like that mad up?
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 25, 2006, 06:56:53 PM
This describes a conical coil wrapped around a cardboard form.  The form has an iron tip.

The magnet should be manufactured and then the holes filled with iron filings before magnetizing... they are removed after magnetizing.

The hardest part - for some (including me) will be finding the natural harmonics and then designing the flybacks to power the thing.
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: FredWalter on July 25, 2006, 10:07:32 PM
The magnet should be manufactured

Who is set up to custom-make a 2"x2"x6" neo magnet, with those indentations?

A neo magnet that size is darn *dangerous* to work with - go to http://www.fieldlines.com and read about some of the mishaps with magnets that have occurred (and those were with 2"x1"x1/2" magnets for use making wind generators).

I suspect that whoever wrote up this paper, has never made one of these devices, because you can't buy the magnets off the shelf, and DIY-making the magnets is an expensive proposition. If you want to learn how to make your own neo magnets, go read through the archives of:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aggroup
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: TheOne on July 25, 2006, 10:28:06 PM
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280009186655 (http://partners.webmasterplan.com/click.asp?ref=284148&site=1382&subid=&type=text&tnb=32&diurl=http%3A%2F%2Fadfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F707-3922-3266-17%3Fmpro%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.ca%252Fws%252FeBayISAPI.dll%253FViewItem%2526item%253D7552892123)

you can use 6 of this magnet to make one :)
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: mark australia on July 26, 2006, 05:45:46 AM
I thought Aprils fools was a little early.
Fistly its not a Patnet as it has not been loged anywhere or registered.
There is not data on test results(that would have been nice)
Finally
Possible? yes
Probable?No
I am sure many will build one and I look forward to see the results.
If it does work (depending on usable power) then I will be buying shares in mines that extract the rare earths for magnets.
Mark
Title: Re: World's Most Valuable Patent Released as Freeware
Post by: bob.diroto on July 27, 2006, 05:57:27 PM

My feeling is that this is a hoax for the following reasons:

1. No supporting electronic descriptions. If the device had been built and successful it would have been easy to provide a basic electronic schematic.

2. No oscilloscope traces. No mention of the need for an oscilloscope. Anyone who has attempted any replication of devices that requires resonance and harmonics knows that an oscilloscope is essential. You would also know that phase angle between signals to the tesla coils should be described even if they are 180 degrees apart or even if there is no phase angle.

3. You would have least have a diagram showing how the coils are connected together.

4. The toroidal coil picture is computer generated. Why bother if you have a working coil you can photograph ?

5. The toroidal coil fly leads both come from the front of the coil. Anyone who has wound a toroidal coil knows that one lead will come from the front and one would come from the center of the coil. To make this mistake in the computer generated image shows the lack of hands on experience, QED that this is just an untried theory.

6. The liberal use of the term "skilled in the art" to make it sound like a patent. Noticeably it is used to avoid providing specific details or to gloss over an explanation. There is little or no explanation as to why this device is configured as it is.

7. No photographs. If you're intention is for replication this would appear to be an obvious inclusion.

8. No mention of the voltage or current you could expect.

9. No mention of heat generated.

10. The complete absense of any input or output 'numbers', nor magnetic field strengths suggest that there aren't any. It's all just an untested theory.

11. The overall language, grammar choice, word choice, punctuation, sentence construction is similar to that of an average 14-15 year old. Consider for instance the choice of the word 'wobble' rather than 'oscillate'.

12. The suggestion that you can pack the holes in the magnet-to-be with iron filings would appear to be unworkable. As soon as the magnetising field is applied to the magnet-to-be, the iron filings will fly out of the magnet towards the magnetising field.

13. No mention is made of what materials to use in the device housing. Clearly this is an important aspect of the design which would have had to have been addressed from the point of view of how it would interfere with the magnetic fields. You'd also want some housing just to prevent a stray screwdriver from smashing into your very expensive custom built neo magnet. How could you miss mentioning this point if you had built the device ? Answer, because the device only exists in someones head.