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## Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: Aemilius on October 09, 2012, 12:07:24 AM

Title: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 09, 2012, 12:07:24 AM
The Cole Mechanism - A solution to "The Milkovic Problem"

For discussion already under way.... http://scienceforums.com/topic/26247-gravity-driven-mechanisms/

For uninterupted analysis and video.... http://thecolemechanism.blogspot.com/

Its motion is pendulous, but unlike a simple pendulum which has two possible positions of equilibrium (stable when hanging and un-stable when inverted), this Pendulum, because of the way it's balanced, actually has four possible positions of equilibrium, two un-stable (when it's hanging or is inverted) and two stable (when the Pendulum is positioned to the left or right, perpendicular to the force of gravity).

The gravitational force itself is not switched or turned on and off, the influence that gravity has on the Mechanism is changed by changing the Mechanisms condition within the un-changing gravitational field.

I'm get the Mechanism to rotate by periodically changing its condition. The Control Lever is periodically moved back and forth (3 to 5 degrees approx.) and is solid or fixed to the Main Axel (white) and Sun Sprocket (gold with white center) of the Planetary Chain and Sprocket arrangement. The Planet Sprocket (black, with the Pendulum that is attached to it) is affected through the imbalancing action of the Sun Sprocket, transmitted to it by the Chain.

There are a few differences that immediately become apparent when comparing this Mechanism to a conventional pendulum, this pendulum....

1. ....has been robbed of any natural periodicity normally associated with pendulous motion. In other words, it's rate of motion depends exclusively on the rate/frequency at which it is being periodically imbalanced.

2. ....unlike a simple pendulum which has two possible positions of equilibrium (one stable and one un-stable), this Mechanism actually has four possible positions of equilibrium (two stable and two un-stable), which is critical to the effect.

3. ....does not swing back and forth in two directions like a simple pendulum with the well known accompanying periodic rise and fall of potential and kinetic energy levels (respectively) as it begins, continues and ends each motional cycle.

This Mechanism swings to one side, gaining kinetic energy as its potential energy diminishes, and then, by slightly changing the condition of the mechanism at the appropriate time (I call it mechanical commutation), it continues its swinging motion in the same direction to the other side without losing the kinetic energy it has gained. I believe that's why it begins to rotate so quickly and forcefully.

This is a Pendulous Mechanism that rotates relatively forcefully at the first introduction of even a very slight imbalancing, or "trigger" force which is all that's necessary to begin, and then maintain, an ongoing reaction to the un-changing gravitational field.

The magnitude of the very slight imbalancing force delivered to the system by means of the Control Lever is sensibly comparable in every way to standing a pencil on end, holding it at the top and moving it back and forth an inch or so (exactly what I feel during testing, almost nothing), a level of applied force that should be wholly insufficient to overcome the inertia of the relatively heavy Mechanism whether at rest or in motion, nor can it account for the immediate onset of rotation.

The actual driving force needed to cause rotation of the Mechanism as a whole cannot be imparted to the Planet Sprocket by the Sun Sprocket via the Chain because the Sun Sprocket doesn't move in such a way as to be capable of imparting rotational motion to the Planet Sprocket, which leaves gravity as the only other driving force available to explain why it immediately begins to rotate in response to a slight imbalancing force delivered to the system by means of the Control Lever.

It will rotate (start, speed up, slow down or speed up again) depending on the rate at which it's imbalanced. Whatever the rate of the imbalancing action is, the Mechanism will respond by rotating at the same rate. In other words, when initially imbalanced it begins to rotate. If the imbalancing action is being applied twenty times per minute, it will rotate at twenty revolutions per minute. If one then (while it's rotating twenty revolutions per minute) increases the rate of the applied imbalancing action from twenty times per minute to forty, it will, after a very slight delay, be rotating at forty revolutions per minute. While rotating at forty revolutions per minute, if one slows the rate of the applied imbalancing action back down to twenty per mimute, again, after a very slight delay, it will be rotating at twenty revolutions per minute.

I would post the plans here, but there aren't any. There were no preliminary sketches and no actual measurements were made.... I just built it based on a visualization (there was lots of trial and error, for example forming the spring eleven times before finally getting the calibration right).

Analysis will continue as new ideas are formed and new parts are fitted.... Emile

Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism....
Post by: johnny874 on October 09, 2012, 12:30:16 AM
For discussion already under way.... http://scienceforums.com/topic/26247-gravity-driven-mechanisms/ (http://scienceforums.com/topic/26247-gravity-driven-mechanisms/)

For uninterupted analysis and video.... http://thecolemechanism.blogspot.com/ (http://thecolemechanism.blogspot.com/).... Analysis will continue as new ideas are formed

For non-member questions and comments.... emile@anglamarke.com

Analysis will continue as new ideas are formed and new parts are fitted.... Emile

Pretty cool  8)
do you think a metronome might help to keep it going ? Not sure how much different yours is with the part you're moving.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronome)

edited to add; Emile, something like in the pic might work to move the emchanism your hand is moving.
if the upright levers weigh the same or are leveraged to have equal force, then it should be an efficient means of transferring force. Just think of cutting a ball when shooting pool.
some shots to think about  ;)
actually, the 2nd shot is pretty much what I'm talking about. The guy must have weigh (pun intended) to much time on his hands.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 09, 2012, 01:06:07 AM
Hand made ratchet arrangements, delicate sliding counterweights, various linkages, pulleys, intricate catch and release arrangements, even tiny hand made shock absorbers.... I've exprimented with them all separately and in combination over the years's (actually a lot of fun). The problem I kept running into though is that when rotating, it doesn't respond well to any sudden changes.... any changes being made as it's rotating must be introduced relatively smoothly or it's motion becomes jerky or lurching. I have a solution installed on this model. I'll go into that in Stage Four of the analysis (on the blog). As far as looking into getting the mechanism itself to perform the periodic imbalancing action I currently perform by hand, I'll explain where I'm headed with that too, along with sycronizing and timing issues which have already been solved.... Emile
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: johnny874 on October 09, 2012, 03:08:18 AM
Emile,
Tomorrow I'll e~mail you a private link to a video I made so,e time ago.
that performs work yet requires no energy.
With your build skills, hopefully it is something that will work for you. Needless to say, I am impressed with your work.

Jim
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 09, 2012, 05:54:03 AM
Most cool.... Send it to anglamarke@netzero.net or emile@anglamarke.com

Thanks for your interest, I'll be watching for more on the status of your build as it progresses, again good luck.... Emile

Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: johnny874 on October 09, 2012, 05:46:24 PM
Most cool.... Send it to anglamarke@netzero.net or emile@anglamarke.com

Thanks for your interest, I'll be watching for more on the status of your build as it progresses, again good luck.... Emile

Emile,
I sent the link with a brief explanation to your netzero account. Unfortunately I'll probably need to give my work a rest until I can return to work. Wood does cost money. besides, I'll need to do it all myself so waiting for when it's more convenient for me only makes sense.
Do hope though what I sent you helps you with your work   :D  I think what you've got is pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: johnny874 on October 09, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
Re: My Invention (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331670/#msg331670)Â« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 03:36:13 PM Â» Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.
Re: My Invention (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331707/#msg331707)Â« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 06:50:19 PM Â»
TK:
Exactly correct, from what I know.  I love the folks that post stuff on OU and then get help from smart guys like you....and then...remove all videos and posts saying they are going for the patent now.  A long time ago a very expensive patent attorney assured me it does not work that way.

Bill
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: TinselKoala on October 10, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Re: My Invention (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331670/#msg331670)Â« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 03:36:13 PM Â» Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.
Re: My Invention (http://www.overunity.com/12597/my-invention/msg331707/#msg331707)Â« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 06:50:19 PM Â»
TK:
Exactly correct, from what I know.  I love the folks that post stuff on OU and then get help from smart guys like you....and then...remove all videos and posts saying they are going for the patent now.  A long time ago a very expensive patent attorney assured me it does not work that way.

Bill

What are you doing, troll? Checking to see if I am still watching you? Well, I am, and as I promised, every time you mention my name or initials I am going to remind every one that you are a liar, you libelled me in public with your lying accusations, and you are a whining do-nothing with no competence and no math ability beyond punching calculator keys. Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area, now you repeat posts from another thread and don't even quote properly.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 10, 2012, 12:37:19 PM
What are you doing, troll? Checking to see if I am still watching you? Well, I am, and as I promised, every time you mention my name or initials I am going to remind every one that you are a liar, you libelled me in public with your lying accusations, and you are a whining do-nothing with no competence and no math ability beyond punching calculator keys. Mister Cubic Inches of Surface Area, now you repeat posts from another thread and don't even quote properly.
a blatant liar and libeler calling someone else a liar and a libeler... how quaint... ::)
should i start in on you again for that mea culpa you owe me regarding mosfet performance you mendacious troll? i think i will... every time you call someone else a liar.  i promise.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: TinselKoala on October 10, 2012, 02:35:08 PM
So, Wilby, do you remember when you promised to send me a mosfet, but you really never intended to so so?

You promised to send me the mosfet and you had me give you a mailing address in a PM, do you recall that? And then later on you laughed at me, and you still do, because you really never intended to send me anything.... you just did it to get the personal information from me. Do you remember that?

Now, who owes whom a "mea culpa", you lying troll?  Are you going to deny that little episode of raw, blatant dishonesty on your part? Taking advantage of a poor ignorant internet novice like I was then, for your own nefarious purposes?  Did you or did you not do that little thing? Why should anyone trust anything you say, after you tricked me in that manner?
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 10, 2012, 03:00:37 PM
I'd appreciate it TinslKoala, WilbyInebriated
and johnny874 if we could avoid infecting this
thread with any personal issues, in other words....

Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 10, 2012, 03:02:15 PM
So, Wilby, do you remember when you promised to send me a mosfet, but you really never intended to so so?

You promised to send me the mosfet and you had me give you a mailing address in a PM, do you recall that? And then later on you laughed at me, and you still do, because you really never intended to send me anything.... you just did it to get the personal information from me. Do you remember that?

Now, who owes whom a "mea culpa", you lying troll?  Are you going to deny that little episode of raw, blatant dishonesty on your part? Taking advantage of a poor ignorant internet novice like I was then, for your own nefarious purposes?  Did you or did you not do that little thing? Why should anyone trust anything you say, after you tricked me in that manner?
nice red herring... ::) but nevertheless we already covered that... and your mendacious confabulation that the context of the 'mosfet performance' was 'overunity'...  ::)  nor were you a "poor ignorant internet novice" then... you were registered here a full 11 months before your first post in the ainslie thread. ::) you just lied again! want me to drag up all your old posts and drag you through the mud again? or would you rather behave like an adult? your choice...
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 10, 2012, 03:24:23 PM
I'd appreciate it TinslKoala, WilbyInebriated
and johnny874 if we could avoid infecting this
thread with any personal issues, in other words....

i will respect your request. i can't speak for the other two stooges though... ;) and beautiful craftsmanship aemilius...
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 10, 2012, 06:13:32 PM
WilbyInebriated "i will respect your request. i can't speak for the other two stooges though..."

Well if you don't respond, as they say.... that will be that (just kidding around with the picture).

WilbyInebriated "and beautiful craftsmanship aemilius..."

Thanks.... not bad for a bunch of old bent up coat hangers, scrap plastic and discarded bicycle parts huh? I guess you could call that "junk science"!
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: johnny874 on October 10, 2012, 06:27:15 PM
I'd appreciate it TinslKoala, WilbyInebriated
and johnny874 if we could avoid infecting this
thread with any personal issues, in other words....

Emile,
They say it is a condition of posting in this forum, I was making you aware of it.
There is a reason they do attack me, it is because I have taken the time to study engineering and mathematics.
Without understanding the restraints science places on engineering, a person might as well be pissing in the wind.
And if you use my idea, some type of arrangement will need to be made.
With this idea, if the cog is aligned on it's outside periphery to be to the left of the vertical center line and above the horizontal center line, then as it draws a weight in closer, no additional resistence will happen because the movement of the weight will be along the path of it's lever.
when most people try something like this, it is not a catch and release system where work (work equals mass times distance) requires an expenditure of energy. What they have over looked is that if the weight is pulled from behind, then this resistence costs as much energy as the shift in balance can generate. but when the weight is retratced along the path of it's lever, then it is "free energy".
And by having a taper on the cog or any other such device which allows the line to move off of the cog, then when the weight is rotated clockwise (counterclockwise motion would require the cog being reversed in it's position) and moves past top center and then the level of the axle, it can move outward on it's own accord or by having it strike a pin or other such device imparting some force to encourage it's movement outward allowing it to once again become over balanced.

J. Lindgaard
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 10, 2012, 07:30:17 PM
All I'm saying is that comments made should have something to do with the thread topic (within reason), or start another thread.... Thanks.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: johnny874 on October 10, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
All I'm saying is that comments made should have something to do with the thread topic (within reason), or start another thread.... Thanks.

And yet you infer that I contaminated my own thread by posting an idea and working at it. I call that a cheap shot.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 10, 2012, 10:12:37 PM
Sorry johnny874, just looking for a good natured way to end the nonsense is all.... Emile
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: johnny874 on October 10, 2012, 10:42:07 PM
you know what is almost funny ? woke up at 2 a.m. because of my medical problem and there was a televangelist on the tube.
what he was discussing is the Law of 2. And that people are often one person away from prosperity. but to achieve that prosperity, a person needs to be some place where they are respected for what they have to offer.

edited to add; Emile, in my thread "developing idea's", you helped bill to contaminate my thread. I was trying to discuss how to understand some of the mechanics I believe Bessler may have used but instead wound up defending myselt for working openly.

Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 11, 2012, 04:10:07 AM
johnny874 "Emile, in my thread "developing idea's", you helped bill to contaminate my thread. I was trying to discuss how to understand some of the mechanics I believe Bessler may have used but instead wound up defending myselJ for working openly."

Maybe, but if I did it was unintentional and when I saw what was happening I took action to try to repair the damage when I apologized and wrote "....Bravo! I looked at your photobucket gallery, that's some nice work man. I really should've asked you for more information before posting what I did....that's my fault, sorry."

Good bye johnny874!

johnny874 "May start my own web page to post my work
on. Then if people have questions or would be interested in
some type of partnership, then they could contact me."
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: johnny874 on October 11, 2012, 04:48:21 AM
Good  Luck with your invention. One thing about protecting your work is that when you find it's worth something, you'll be glad you did. it's not a matter of being greedy but about not being exploited.
why I doubt someone will build Bessler's wheel unless I do it. they'd be willing to take the credit, like with your idea, you get it to work and everyone you know would be wanting something. it'd be like you won the lottery.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 11, 2012, 07:11:33 AM
Good  Luck with your invention. One thing about protecting your work is that when you find it's worth something, you'll be glad you did. it's not a matter of being greedy but about not being exploited.
why I doubt someone will build Bessler's wheel unless I do it. they'd be willing to take the credit, like with your idea, you get it to work and everyone you know would be wanting something. it'd be like you won the lottery.

From what I have seen of you Jim, you would claim it was your idea all along and he stole it from you.  Very sad really.

Bill
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 11, 2012, 07:23:06 AM

edited to add; Emile, in my thread "developing idea's", you helped bill to contaminate my thread. I was trying to discuss how to understand some of the mechanics I believe Bessler may have used but instead wound up defending myselt for working openly.

Jim, you contaminated your thread with your lies.  You lie.  It has been proven over and over.

Bill
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 11, 2012, 07:40:05 AM
Let it go Bill.
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: OffsetAxles on October 14, 2012, 01:27:22 AM
cool if it is going to set on a desk and be a conversation piece...what size will it take to actually make power to light a dozen houses?
Title: Re: The Cole Mechanism
Post by: Aemilius on October 14, 2012, 07:50:01 AM
Hi OffsetAxles....

OffsetAxles "cool if it is going to set on a desk and be a conversation piece...what size will it take to actually make power to light a dozen houses?"

That's a good question, I'm just taking it one step at a time. It's been a long road to get here and my primary objective at this point is achieving self-rotation. If I can accomplish that I'll start to think in terms of actual power generation, but considering the long history of failure in this area of investigation it's a huge "if".... I'm really only cautiously optimistic.

The Mechanism can be scaled up, and it has speed.... If the third and final element of self-rotation can be achieved (after my heart is restarted) I'll start down the road to calculating the parameters of scale, weight and speed required for practical power generation.

On the other hand, if self-rotation is achieved and I find it doesn't produce enough force to be useful I would still consider it a stand alone triumph of mechanical engineering.... even if it turned out that all it was going to do was "set on a desk and be a conversation piece".

I've now completed three stages of the analysis
at.... http://thecolemechanism.blogspot.com/

STAGE ONE - BALANCE
STAGE TWO - COMPENSATION
STAGE THREE - EQUILIBRIUM

Coming up (more may be added)....

STAGE FOUR - SYCHRONIZATION
STAGE FIVE - TIMING
STAGE SIX - ACCELERATION
STAGE SEVEN - FORCE
STAGE EIGHT - SCALE

Depending on how all that goes and the outcome
of several more experiments (forming and fitting parts)