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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334938 times)

SolarLab

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Related - Comparing the Fuguera and LinGen Devices

Fuguera's 1908 Patent 44267 appears to be very much the same as the so called "LinGen"
found in-part in Holcomb's WO2018134233A2 Patent.

Figuera uses 7 "poles" (in the diagram) whereas the LinGen employs 8 "poles"
(in the diagram - initial analysis) and Figuera excites his device with a mechanical
commutator driven by a small motor.  The induced coils (Y) are placed between
two inducer coils.

Whereas the LinGen is excited (coils are driven) with a microprocessor and MOSFET
switches to create signal pulses and a BEMF recovery scheme. The induced coil is a
single Lap winding near the inducer windings.

Both schemes take advantage of the increase in magnetic flux density offered by the
soft magnetic material (metal or soft magnetic compound [SMC]) B-H Curves and
employ a "moving magnetic field" with no component physical movement.

It should be viable to incorporate the best characteristics of both schemes into one,
including the timing and sequencing methods. {In process}

Insight into the LinGen development, including CAE generated animated gif's, proof
of concept, etc. can be found in this thread starting here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98509#msg98509 

SL 


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« Last Edit: May 01, 2023, 12:11:23 PM by floodrod »

SolarLab

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Hi Floodrod,

Saw the video, good stuff!   Anyway, I've got a "deal" for you (?), if you're interested:

- Take a "C Clamp" around your coils [inducer | inducee | inducer] if you can find one
that big - with insulators {paper} between the cores {"|"} and record any differences.
Curious what changes might occur, if any, when the "magnetic circuit" is completed.

- In return - I will attemp a 3D CAE analysis of the coils {time permitting} if you
can provide the Core dimensions (X-Y-Z), wire guage; # of turns and Coil
dimensions (L-W-H); and drive waveform. Curious if the CAE comes anywhere near
"real life measurements." 

Will build it up one pole at a time in an attemp to see where the "break even" and "OU"
points start to appear {seemed like around 6/7 poles is where the LinGen showed promise}.

Regards,

SL

SolarLab

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Figuera's various patents show a variety of configurations but I don't
see where any specific or prefered combination is given. Hanon has
some good ideas so I'll look at those as well.

Typical patent where all things are considered  :) ! So we'll use CAE...

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SL,

I will check my clamps tonight and try to get you some of those numbers.

I deleted the video because The setup is not optimal. Don't want to add too much confusion and misinformation.  I think I could do this much more efficiently and eliminate some of the unneeded diodes in the rectifiers. I now also know how to tie the negatives of the electromagnets together, and it will be safe to use the scope with a common ground.

Reading all the patents, he goes on to talk about how if you use the Earth's magnetic field and cut the flux with a loop of wire, you can double triple quadruple or even 100 fold the output depending on how many loops you use. The only thing holding us back is Lenz Law. But the same magnetic field can be used again and again and again.

I will be trying to accurately chart reactiveness tonight. I have a hunch that this setup makes the electromagnets practically reactiveless regardless what frequency you put into them.

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No luck on the clamp that big.

Bobbin is 35mm x 35mm.  44mm long.  Wrapped with 24 gauge. 500 turns. Ohms out at 6.8 ohms.

First test results:

Measuring amperage of the supply with various frequencies. Core and no core..  1 coil from amp channel to power supply ground. Positive biased triangle wave. Power supply locked at 12V.  DC reading after rectifier to supply ground.  Not returning through rectifier negative.  Voltage is 5.6V from rectifier positive to supply ground. (under 1/2 for various reasons)..  Just testing reactance from positive biased wave 1 coil.

25 Hz-  W/core= .578 Amp.  No/Core= .647 amp
50 Hz-  W/core= .487 Amp  No/core= .607 amp
100 Hz-  W/core= .434 amp  No/core= .532 amp
500 Hz-  W/core= .416 Amp  No/Core= .426 Amp
1000 Hz- W/core= .417 Amp  No/Core= .419 Amp
5000 Hz- W/Core= .422 Amp  No Core= .422 Amp
10000 Hz- W/Core= .431 Amp  No/Core= .431 amp
20,000 Hz- W/core= .495 Amp  No/Core= .495 Amp

25000 Hz and above-  Can't measure.  Scope shows solid 12.5 Khz and will not increase.  Guessing end of limit for the amplifier.  Somewhere about 5Khz, the trend starts reversing and the core makes no difference.

Attached single wave and also full dual waves all on positive bias 180 shifted.

I will repeat with 2 coils / cores attached.  See how they interact with the opposite wave next.

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2nd test Results:

Both coils, 180 degrees out of phase.  With cores touching each other.  Can't measure under 100 Hz without changing Supply voltage, so starting at 100 Hz.

North to South-  (The way that should not induct good).

100 Hz-  .831 Amp
500 Hz-  .783 Amp
1000 Hz- .780 Amp
5000 hz- .784 Amp
10,000 hz- .790 amp
20,000 hz- .861 amp

North to North (The way they should induct).

100 hz-  .780 amp
500 hz-  .766 amp
1000 hz- .766 amp
5000 hz- .771 amp
10000 hz-  .780 amp
20,000 hz-  .850 amp

No sign of Back-EMF making it back to the positive in any configuration yet.

Next 2 tests-  Check a choke response with a closed core.  And test all this with a pickup coil between.

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"when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one."
Exactly, and the diagram of a regular dynamo shows N and S to indicate the poles.
Also: "since any variation occurring in the flow traversing a circuit is producing electrical induced current "

N-N would be a moving monopole field which may have desirable effects too.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCClYZp9Yls 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWcPcOg_yc0 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Enr6_d3yU

 https://www.eeweb.com/a-flash-from-the-past-figueras-generator/

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"N-N would be a moving monopole field which may have desirable effects too. " but it's completly different story.

floodrod

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"when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one"  <---  he was describing how a regular dynamo works..

With 1 way current, growing and shrinking 180 degrees out of phase, the only way it will induct is Like Polarities.. 

Shrinking North acts as South..
Shrinking South acts as North..

Growing North acts as North..
Growing South acts as South..

demonstrating this on a live bench. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Syk9t7foYQ


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HI
I dont know if it will be of any use but here is interesting info how to increase magnet/electromagnet strength without rewinding ( if i understood well). Attached picture from pdf document which attached to this message.


 

alan

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"when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one"  <---  he was describing how a regular dynamo works..

With 1 way current, growing and shrinking 180 degrees out of phase, the only way it will induct is Like Polarities.. 

Shrinking North acts as South..
Shrinking South acts as North..

Growing North acts as North..
Growing South acts as South..

demonstrating this on a live bench. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Syk9t7foYQ
 
Thanks for testing, looks good. Attraction mode seems to buck voltage in the induced instead of being additive. Last thing to test is the behavior of back-mmf created by the induced when a current is allowed, and how all voltages interact (scope on the input coils, both at the same time if possible. It's VxI that determines power and consumed energy, and if V is eliminated through mutual bucking, then who knows, just an idea). Pls also test attraction mode in the loaded state. 

The emf in the center  coil seems to be induced by flux cutting though the coil sides like a dynamo (Lorentz force flux cutting), and not by variation through the center aka flux-linking, guess you may be right. 

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Exactly, and the diagram of a regular dynamo shows N and S to indicate the poles.
Also: "since any variation occurring in the flow traversing a circuit is producing electrical induced current "

N-N would be a moving monopole field which may have desirable effects too.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCClYZp9Yls 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWcPcOg_yc0 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Enr6_d3yU

 https://www.eeweb.com/a-flash-from-the-past-figueras-generator/


Alan
Here all the longtime researchers from your YouTube links
Are now open sourcing
And sharing the many reasons why they started a new forum
https://www.beyondunity.org/thread/public-answer-to-chris/

Respectfully
Chet
Ps
Alan
You have been dropping crumbs for years here ,
Do you have an experiment ( actual gain mechanism?) to support your assertions ?


Open source is the only path forward…
Too many years of …..
?

floodrod

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Thanks for testing, looks good. Attraction mode seems to buck voltage in the induced instead of being additive. Last thing to test is the behavior of back-mmf created by the induced when a current is allowed, and how all voltages interact (scope on the input coils, both at the same time if possible. It's VxI that determines power and consumed energy, and if V is eliminated through mutual bucking, then who knows, just an idea). Pls also test attraction mode in the loaded state. 

The emf in the center  coil seems to be induced by flux cutting though the coil sides like a dynamo (Lorentz force flux cutting), and not by variation through the center aka flux-linking, guess you may be right.

I have since succeeded in causing the Back-EMF to be high enough to flow back to the Positive input lead and flow current back to the source using 2 coil positive biased 180 shifted waves. Theoretically it should now be possible (with the right coil setup and frequency parameters) to transfer inducted power that we pull into Back-EMF and send it back to the input to feed the circuit.

I don't know about all the cutting / linking / compression, etc.  This setup is simulating reciprocation of 2 magnets of the same polarity (repelling) on each side of a coil. If both magnets move at the exact same time and speed, induction only occurs if 1 is approaching and 1 is going away.   Otherwise it bucks and no induction.

My goal is to use the pickup coil's field to push the emptying coil past the zero line into the full other polarity. 

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Floodrod,

Very interesting stuff - not what I would call that intuitive at all, at least for me.

Hope to get some CAE CPU time this weekend (schedule says so anyway).
SL