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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334754 times)

bistander

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4785 on: March 30, 2023, 06:53:08 PM »
... Secondaries in the other hand NO!. Way to much eddies and Hysteresis. The problem with that is soft Iron is crazy expensive so that is definitely out.
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Magnetic materials are mainly classified (based on the magnitude of coercive force) into hard magnetic materials or soft magnetic materials. The soft magnetic materials are often referred to as soft iron. The hard magnetic materials are often referred to as permanent magnet (PM).

Also, eddy current loss is virtually irrelevant with regards to choice of soft iron.
Look it up.
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« Reply #4786 on: March 30, 2023, 07:09:29 PM »
Well Clemente Figuera used it so go figure. ;D  and yes I am very aware of the classifications of magnetic materials. The Hysteresis graph on pure iron is darn near a small sliver vertical column which I would equate with low losses. Very little pinning sites in pure Iron.

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« Reply #4787 on: March 30, 2023, 07:59:22 PM »
Well Clemente Figuera used it so go figure. ;D  and yes I am very aware of the classifications of magnetic materials. The Hysteresis graph on pure iron is darn near a small sliver vertical column which I would equate with low losses. Very little pinning sites in pure Iron.

So now you speak of "pure iron" whereas before it was soft iron. Do you know the difference? And show a relationship of eddy current loss to hysteresis loop shape or pinning.
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bistander

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« Reply #4788 on: March 31, 2023, 03:10:11 AM »
For me, the only thing that remains incomprehensible is the purpose of a thick wire wound with a snake around permanent magnets.  Shown with a red arrow.
The ends are brought out, but not connected anywhere (not used).

Hi kolbacict,
I finally made it into the shop. I took a few pics of my motor where I found a heavy insulated wire wrapped around the magnets. This wire was unconnected at ends, which were tucked away in the casting with adhesive. Looked to be the same on other half of stator under the rotor. Rotor is called printed circuit although it is made using copper punchings welded on the inside and outside ends. Low moment of inertia. Application was old computer tape reel memory machine. Function of serpentine wire is unknown. Perhaps used to magnetize PMs and then left in place.
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« Reply #4789 on: March 31, 2023, 05:15:34 AM »
Nice Figuera device!, Do you know the difference?  that will keep the thread going. ;D

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« Reply #4790 on: March 31, 2023, 07:47:45 AM »
Nice Figuera device!, Do you know the difference?  that will keep the thread going. ;D
Come on. Good for general development. Did you know that such motors exist?
I didn't know until recently. I didn't know until recently. Probably your eight-pole rotates
 even more slowly than mine.

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« Reply #4791 on: March 31, 2023, 11:26:29 PM »
General development of a motor that has absolutely nothing to do with the Figuera device warrants it's own thread. The disrespect shown on this forum is unbelievable right in line with that Ranswami character that hijacked this thread years ago polluting it with his garbage RF transmitter core :o basically driving researchers and viewers away from this thread.

Yes I am new here but does that really matter or give you or anyone else the right to disrespect a thread or the researchers in such thread. This is the very reason why OU has such a bad rep on the net is this very thing. Posting a comment in a thread occasionally is not hijacking nor is commenting or giving an attaboy.

Posting of completely irrelevant material for your own personal gratification or distraction not the group as a whole is down right disrespectful and immoral on many levels.

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« Reply #4792 on: April 01, 2023, 12:41:38 AM »
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Yes I am new here but does that really matter or give you or anyone else the right to disrespect a thread or the researchers in such thread. This is the very reason why OU has such a bad rep on the net is this very thing. Posting a comment in a thread occasionally is not hijacking nor is commenting or giving an attaboy.

Agreed and I also noticed there are some people who consistently spam post random unrelated pictures or links the moment there is some movement towards a working principal of a free energy device. There should be no surprise here and it's common knowledge most big corporations and some governments hire paid shills to spread misinformation and distract on all forms of media.

I even ran some social experiments where I would move the conversation towards some more relevant facts, ergo bait them, and note which people made obvious attempts to distract and how they did it. The mistake I think most make is confusing ignorance with intent. To suppose some fool just spam posts every thread with nonsense where progress is being made but not recognizing the consistent pattern of behavior. You see the same people always do exactly the same things in the same way as if on cue.

My favorite is the "I'm one of you and look at all my builds shtick". Let's just build random shit which has no chance of ever working then criticize those who actually want to understand how they could work. Of course working principals could lead to a working device rather than countless nonsensical builds which never will. We naturally want to believe those who appear to have made an effort, a build, and that's the whole point. Anyone could build any number of nonsensical devices to mislead and distract a majority of people. Look, look at all the work they did, they would never mislead us or is the whole point to distract?.

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Posting of completely irrelevant material for your own personal gratification or distraction not the group as a whole is down right disrespectful and immoral on many levels.

Well said and it's really hard to know who is who but I found there is one way that works and seems obvious.

When someone offers something which makes us actually think or has some tangible value it's more likely to be sincere. Thinking independently and producing something of value is why were here. Look for the value in it, if there is no value or we have not learned anything then we have our answer...

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bistander

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« Reply #4793 on: April 01, 2023, 01:38:53 AM »
Over 300 pages, 4700+ replies and no closer to a functioning replica or reasonable process theory than 10 years ago, so I don't see an off-topic motor Q&A post/reply being a huge detriment. And of course you know for a fact that the serpentine wire with hidden function is not somehow related, and could never lead to a realization of a related idea.
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« Reply #4794 on: April 01, 2023, 02:37:56 AM »
I do realize the thread was side tracked a few times and also a lot of people just gave up or left. The fact still remains does not give you the right just because you have been on this forum for a while. You should know better but considering it's source and the constant belittling and sarcastic remarks you throw at people I would say something is lacking in your life and the BS you throw at people has underlining issues.
Your underestimation of people just shows your superiority complex is blown out of proportion. The fact that you can hide behind a veil on the internet makes things even worse given you the opportunity to foster your bad behavior.

And you wonder why this forum has such a bad rep on the net, just look in the mirror fella! Truth be told, OUCH!

bistander

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« Reply #4795 on: April 01, 2023, 02:12:57 PM »
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Truth be told, ...
IMIGHTKNOW,
More than one member here thinks you are the person a.k.a. marathonman. Are you?
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« Reply #4796 on: April 01, 2023, 06:09:54 PM »
I think I made some Big Progress..  I went over the patent line by line looking for clues and came across these 2 statements:

"Let be "R" a resistance that is drawn in an elementary manner to facilitate the comprehension of the entire system"

and--   "whose current, after completing their task in the different electromagnets, returns to the source where it was taken."

First observation is that the resistor coils are an "elementary drawing" for understanding.  But obviously his were something else. or doing something else.

Second-  Why was it so important to specifically say " current returns to the source where it was taken" in Clemente's and Buforns patents?? ..  Seems a little weird to keep saying that..  And we all assume it means goes from positive to negative..

Then it hit me- the resistors need to be able to collect energy and return that energy to the positive terminal where the current was taken.  Then any Lenz from pulling power from the induced coil will transfer back to the transformer resistors where it will all be recovered back to the positive terminal by means of the transformer secondaries..

So there is "No Lenz"  because we are recovering lenz from the transformer resistors!  As the input goes UP from Lenz- the recovery from the transformers go UP as the same rate..

So I rigged it up..  8 make-b4-break terminals on 7 step-up transformers..  I got alternating AC output on the induced, and when I short the induced, the amperage output on the resistor electromagnets goes up...

Basically I summarize there is "No Lenz" because we are collecting it on the resistor transformers..  The waxing / waning action in the transformer string sets up a situation where the Lenz can be recovered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_ZXdU2DLU


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« Reply #4797 on: April 01, 2023, 06:16:08 PM »
Consider "egg of Columbus" as a very valuable tip Figuera gave us. Two kinds of induction, each having own problems, each being COP < 1 Figuera found how to solve problems,  he just eliminated cause of problems like
break the egg shell

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« Reply #4798 on: April 01, 2023, 07:40:25 PM »
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« Reply #4799 on: April 01, 2023, 08:07:09 PM »
I think I made some Big Progress..  I went over the patent line by line looking for clues and came across these 2 statements:

"Let be "R" a resistance that is drawn in an elementary manner to facilitate the comprehension of the entire system"

and--   "whose current, after completing their task in the different electromagnets, returns to the source where it was taken."

First observation is that the resistor coils are an "elementary drawing" for understanding.  But obviously his were something else. or doing something else.

Second-  Why was it so important to specifically say " current returns to the source where it was taken" in Clemente's and Buforns patents?? ..  Seems a little weird to keep saying that..  And we all assume it means goes from positive to negative..

Then it hit me- the resistors need to be able to collect energy and return that energy to the positive terminal where the current was taken.  Then any Lenz from pulling power from the induced coil will transfer back to the transformer resistors where it will all be recovered back to the positive terminal by means of the transformer secondaries..

So there is "No Lenz"  because we are recovering lenz from the transformer resistors!  As the input goes UP from Lenz- the recovery from the transformers go UP as the same rate..

So I rigged it up..  8 make-b4-break terminals on 7 step-up transformers..  I got alternating AC output on the induced, and when I short the induced, the amperage output on the resistor electromagnets goes up...

Basically I summarize there is "No Lenz" because we are collecting it on the resistor transformers..  The waxing / waning action in the transformer string sets up a situation where the Lenz can be recovered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_ZXdU2DLU

Floodrod; Considering resistor waste potential in the form of heat what other forms of resistance can there be?. When I was clued into mag amps from a person on another site I realized flux can control current flow. This also can be verified through Tesla's patent turning AC into DC using flux.
An inductor has large amounts of flux available to control current flow yet can be made variable through the use of a rotating brush. This allows the energy to be taken and returned from the system is a near lossless manor.
Lenz is always present no matter what you do yet how to work with lenz effects is the real question??? ;D

"Consider "egg of Columbus" as a very valuable tip Figuera gave us"  Very doubtful because that was made concerning the 1902 patent in an interview.

Oh by the way, Nice work, and the fact going line by line! ;DI

I know MM, I have one of his electronic boards he designed to electronically switch part G. Simply flawless design to nanosecond frequency switching with only 38 lines of code. Can you do better bi?