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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334771 times)

IMIGHTKNOW

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4755 on: March 26, 2023, 06:20:03 AM »
The Figuera device is not a violation of the laws of physics, it is just more efficient at converting and manipulating  energy in a much more efficient manner.
Resistance converts energy into heat which is very, very lossy and also nonrecoverable as much as we know. The use of an inductor would control the current flow and yet store and release energy. I have not tested yet but I would be hard pressed to find a more efficient way to control energy then with inductive reactance and an inductor. The losses associated with storing and releasing said energies have to be almost zero.

Hence the reason why Figuera chose it in the first place.  ;D

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« Reply #4756 on: March 26, 2023, 07:57:33 AM »
Over the years of collecting information on this device I have found that most of the people doing the screaming that it violates the conservation of energy have absolutely no clue how this device works. If you have no clue on how this device works then how on earth do you know it violates any such laws.
"YOU DON'T" or "THEY DON'T"
I would also even ponder the notion that they don't even know how a standard generator works. A generator produces it's own energy to feed the excitors. From the start of the turning to full on running conditions the generator powers it self. The secondary is looped back through the AVR at the tune of 10 to 15 % which is really small compared to the massive output.

The Lenz Law is the only obstacle I see as the deterrent to reaching self sustainment. If not for the repulsion and attraction of the rotor to the stator it would be self sustaining. The massive reverse torque placed on the rotor makes it a necessity to have a large motor to over come this Lenz Law force.

Removing the attractive and repulsive forces and you would have a generator that self sustains. This is exactly what Figuera did with his device and even went a step farther using an inductor to control the current flow with the added benefit of storing and releasing energy into the system. I think this made his device that much more efficient with the use of an inductor which in turn allowed a much smaller portion of the output to be fed back into the energizing system.

I think he is preserving the exciting potential with the inductor as well as using it to control current.



SolarLab

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4757 on: March 27, 2023, 06:16:57 AM »
All,


Maybe you can take some good ideas from the link below:


https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/my-interpretation/


Note that in common moving generators the field electromagnets do not suffer any lenz effect (back emf) when rotating coils get in front of them. They do not increase its current consumption. The effect in generators is that moving parts suffer from dragging or cogging, but field electromagnets do not vary in consumption. This is the effect under Flux Cutting Induction.


 Transformers on the other hand do suffer from back emf because they work with Flux Linking Induction.


If you may get a motionless generator, then the dragging effect should be avoided, because  if you only move the exciter fields, they are massless


Thanks Hanon - some excellent information. Considerable work and effort spent on it. 

The link was in the middle of my to-read list so it took a while to get to it and read through in detail.

Figuera shares a lot of similar "stuff" with the Holcomb HES LinGen I'm working on.

Appreciate all the research you've done over the years regarding this extremely interesting subject.

Have a good one!

SL



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« Reply #4758 on: March 27, 2023, 08:25:15 AM »
I can't stop my desire to turn Mike Corbin's device into a solid state generator   :) .

                               Coming soon somewhere in this section.......   



               Boris

SolarLab

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« Reply #4759 on: March 27, 2023, 09:32:47 AM »
I can't stop my desire to turn Mike Corbin's device into a solid state generator   :) .

                               Coming soon somewhere in this section.......   



               Boris


Hey Boris, That's the spririt - we're all behind you - if you need any help, don't hesitate!

Iligitimi Non Carborundum... 

SL


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« Reply #4760 on: March 27, 2023, 01:13:27 PM »
Next question:

Notice how all the electromagnet drawings either show no core /  or partial core?  No drawings show cores going fully through the electromagnets.  Seems like the depicted cores only interface with 1 pole of the electromagnet.

Can we assume we do NOT want the 2 unused poles of the electromagnets to have a good magnetic path between them? 


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« Reply #4761 on: March 27, 2023, 03:14:03 PM »
Floodrod, assume nothing. Figuera and Buforn patents show both ways.

Regarding Hanon’s research,
If you pay attention to what Hanon presents at his web site, he is correct about the same polarity opposing. What is not correct is the depiction of the exciters fluctuating from minimum to maximum. We all fell for this, even though the patent warned us the drawing was only an example for the principle.

Think about it. Hanon’s drawings show the two fields moving left to right alternating from Max to Min and backs it up with the video showing the better results with opposing magnets.
But the video uses movement of the coil which negates the patent claims.

In the video the strength of the magnets at each end never varies. That’s the important take away, the exciter fields must not diminish in strength. Reducing one field will not keep the magnetic compression between the exciter fields. You have to keep the strength and compression while moving the exciter fields relative to the induced to duplicate the results in Hanon’s video.



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4762 on: March 27, 2023, 06:57:37 PM »
This is what I mean

IMIGHTKNOW

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« Reply #4763 on: March 27, 2023, 10:19:12 PM »
Floodrod, assume nothing. Figuera and Buforn patents show both ways.

Regarding Hanon’s research,
If you pay attention to what Hanon presents at his web site, he is correct about the same polarity opposing. What is not correct is the depiction of the exciters fluctuating from minimum to maximum. We all fell for this, even though the patent warned us the drawing was only an example for the principle.

Think about it. Hanon’s drawings show the two fields moving left to right alternating from Max to Min and backs it up with the video showing the better results with opposing magnets.
But the video uses movement of the coil which negates the patent claims.

In the video the strength of the magnets at each end never varies. That’s the important take away, the exciter fields must not diminish in strength. Reducing one field will not keep the magnetic compression between the exciter fields. You have to keep the strength and compression while moving the exciter fields relative to the induced to duplicate the results in Hanon’s video.

You have a contradiction from one sentence to another.  "What is not correct is the depiction of the exciters fluctuating from minimum to maximum" then you go on to say "the two fields moving left to right alternating from Max to Min."

It is the same thing, two electromagnets are compressing the magnetic field lines then sweeping back and forth. This is done by raising and lowering both at the same time which is still a minimum to maximum of each electromagnet opposite yet in unison.

PS. The bar in the middle looks like some kind of reinforcement of some kind as it looks to be on top of the cores. The core will have a lot of force on them during the switching which mean they will need to be secured in some way.
Any thoughts?

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« Reply #4764 on: March 27, 2023, 10:59:31 PM »
This is what I mean

Hi all.
Nice idea Cadman, did you try it out yet? Maybe compare hanon's version vs yours...
Finally a path forward, THX.

Dann

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« Reply #4765 on: March 27, 2023, 11:59:19 PM »
Hi all.
Nice idea Cadman, did you try it out yet? Maybe compare hanon's version vs yours...
Finally a path forward, THX.

Dann

I confess I haven’t tried it as I’m not yet convinced this is how Figuera did it or that it could result in a gain. It's high on the list of possibilities. I was referring to Hanon’s video example, which did show that opposing poles were better, but doing it without physical movement.

When I shelved that build years ago I resolved to not try another Figuera build until I was convinced about the proper method forward. I have been searching ever since and I still believe in it. That build did teach me a few things though. It’s still sitting on the top shelf in the garage where it’s been for about 6 years now, waiting to be resurrected.


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« Reply #4766 on: March 28, 2023, 01:37:12 AM »
This is what I mean

Thanks Cadman..  I too think this Clemente Generator is one of the few that may be legit..  Lots of testing to do..


PS. The bar in the middle looks like some kind of reinforcement of some kind as it looks to be on top of the cores. The core will have a lot of force on them during the switching which mean they will need to be secured in some way.
Any thoughts?

It does appear that way.. But why draw in a support bar?  And if it was a support bar, it's the most ridiculously designed support bar I ever seen.  I think it's the core only going 1/2 way into each electromagnet so the induced core has 2 clear polarities exactly divided at the middle of the induced coil.

I am not convinced tho that 2 same polarity electromagnets poles is the correct way.  Not saying it is not correct- just saying I am not convinced yet.

I have theories, but even more important I have the willingness and supplies to test the theories. What I do know for certain is if we place an electromagnet on an induction coil, Turning the amperage UP makes the induced current go 1 way.  And turning the supply current DOWN makes the induced current go the other way.  So it appears that using 2 same polarities will indeed create the most induction  (as the coil has 2 poles)..  But are we after ultimate induction, or bypassing Lenz?

My theory is as follows:

North coming in to top of induced turns Top of induced North.  induced EMF in driving coil travels same direction as input when magnetic fields are going against the way they want to go. (trying to bring 2 repelling fields together is against the way magnets want to go).

North traveling away from bottom of induced turns bottom of coil South.  Also resulting in 2 magnetic fields against the way they want to go.  (South want to attract North, but we are pulling them apart)..

Both actions result in GREAT induction as the referenced video shows.  But both have Full Lenz passing all produced power to the input because induced EMF in the driving circuit all travels same way as input like a transformer.

But if they were opposite polarities, induction would be weaker, but one side would send induced EMF with input, and other side against input- thus cancelling Lenz..

I know the rebuttal will be "We are not moving coils"...  But it matters not..  I already tested..  Power an electromagnet and bring it into an induction coil and watch the current direction on the scope.  Now place electromagnet against induction coil and turn up amperage.  Whether the electromagnet is moving closer, or just the flux field growing, growing is growing and the induction current direction goes the same in both circumstances.

Finally one might say- sure we cancel lenz, but we lose all induction in the process.  And I agree- my model appears to show that.  But those half cores that only touch one side of the coil may be answer how we can cancel lenz but work the magnetization of the core to induct the induced coil with no lenz.

Anyway- My theories are just my beliefs and not proven fact. They are subject to change as new info comes in and as I test..  Or until someone else makes a self-runner.. 

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« Reply #4767 on: March 28, 2023, 03:05:33 AM »
Interesting. The rod is very puzzling to say the least. I have done a few test but more now that my stuff is arriving. ;D

"(trying to bring 2 repelling fields together is against the way magnets want to go)."

But isn't that compressing the field lines?

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« Reply #4768 on: March 28, 2023, 03:18:23 AM »
I will share this someone sent me..

North coming in turns coil NORTH.  North going out turns coil SOUTH.  Same facing coils produces standard induction..  YES Hanna's test shows this way inducing great...  But you get 100% Lenz effect.

Now North IN, South OUT Cancels Lenz..  But output sucks..  This is all standard stuff most have us have experimented with bucking generator coils.

UNLESS...  Unless the 1/2 cores do something special..  Perhaps the setup cancels Lenz but the way the core maintains magnetism, the induced can still induct some..  So Clemente needed like 8 of these coil rigs to induct enough to self run.

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« Reply #4769 on: March 28, 2023, 04:01:34 AM »

"(trying to bring 2 repelling fields together is against the way magnets want to go)."

But isn't that compressing the field lines?

The Clemente generator empty's one coil as it fills another like a teeter totter..  There is no "Compression"..  The input is varying to the 2 coils in equal amounts.  We aren't jamming full current to both coils to "compress" fields.. 

Furthermore-  evaluate "One is filling while the other is emptying"...  If they were the same polarity, they would both be filling at the same time, just at different rates. 

My whole statement is rudimentary.   Take an induction coil and a strong magnet..  Power the coil with a DC supply at a locked voltage..   Now push the strong magnet into the coil so it is repelling (against what way it wants to go), and watch the Supply Amperage..

Understanding what direction current travels when different magnetic fields are interfaced with each other in different directions is pivotal to understanding how energy machines are really working.