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### Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2171357 times)

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4635 on: March 24, 2019, 11:16:54 PM »
This graph pretty much say it all. like it or not this is physics facts at it's finest.
Regards,
Marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4636 on: March 25, 2019, 11:20:56 AM »
@ marathonman, all
I have some questions for you:

History from various forums:

Figuera Input 100 Volt --> 100 W Input / Output: 10 kW - 20 kW ( a motor and some bulbs)

Is it DC Watts input??

If so the summary load (Z) resistance in all primarys + G is 100 Ohm
and the  mean input current is 1 Ampere    ( P= U x I )

"Please remember folks, the primaries are ONLY reduced to clear the secondary then back to full potential as the other primary is reduced. at NO time is the primaries reduced past 50% or to zero. if you do this induction will fail as the compression of field lines is or was not maintained thus induction will fail and the output will plummet to almost nothing."

" the primaries reduced to 50% "
What?? : Power, Voltage, Current, B

Regards Arne
« Last Edit: March 25, 2019, 07:14:31 PM by seaad »

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4637 on: March 26, 2019, 12:42:55 AM »
I am really curious if you read the posts or even understand them. i have posted at least 50 times that the current is reduced by part G's inductance, what part of this do you not understand.
" the primaries reduced to 50% " Good god that is not what i said, i said "NOT REDUCED PAST 50% AND NEVER TO ZERO:
NOW ! can you understand that.
For the last time the primaries are only reduced to clear the secondary then back to full potential. if you can not understand that i will never respond to any questions from you again Mr thick as a brick. pay attention, take notes or bow out of Figuera.
Regards,
Marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4638 on: March 26, 2019, 01:00:12 PM »
@ marathonman

History from various forums:  Figuera Input 100 Volt --> 100 W Input / Output: 10 kW - 20 kW ( a motor and some bulbs)

I have calculated an output  value of about 12.5 Watts see below pic.
According to my simulations it's possible to reach about 70% (70W)

With straight cores according to pic. 2
I got n=70%
And in the same test, with DC added so the bottom input signals tops reached well above the zero line. (0 Volt) exactly the same (AC) N=70% was produced.
But if I add the DC power to that result, only some  % was reached.

Please explain to me , us      HOW? the extra 10 kW - 20 kW arises.

Regards Arne
« Last Edit: March 27, 2019, 09:29:28 PM by hartiberlin »

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4639 on: March 27, 2019, 03:01:41 AM »
I have enough money to fly to your country and eliminate you so i would suggest you F-in delete my name at once you fucking prick. i am a expert in rifle and pistol and can take you out at over a mile a way so if you value your freedom i would suggest you delete my name fool.
next time i will not be so Nice ass hole Arne.
Regards,
Marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4640 on: March 27, 2019, 10:51:34 AM »
Sorry MM my fault.

Regards Arne

« Last Edit: March 27, 2019, 09:04:14 PM by seaad »

#### nelsonrochaa

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4641 on: March 27, 2019, 01:57:55 PM »
I have enough money to fly to your country and eliminate you so i would suggest you F-in delete my name at once you fucking prick. i am a expert in rifle and pistol and can take you out at over a mile a way so if you value your freedom i would suggest you delete my name fool.
next time i will not be so Nice ass hole Arne.
Regards,
Marathonman

You should take carefull about how you talk to persons .
I will assure personally that your answer is not made clear to the moderators of this forum.
Your threats, in addition to violating any code of ethics, also violates the rules of this forum. I suggest you publicly apologize, so that this matter will be healed here otherwise I will make a point to suggest that you be banned by your conduct.
THX

#### ramset

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4642 on: March 27, 2019, 02:45:31 PM »
This is a terrible thing to write for many reasons  , these types of writings bring immediate attention to the author.

This is not grandpa’s world anymore red flags such as this are no longer ignored and taken quite seriously given recent violent  events .

This behavior can put your whole world under a microscope.

#### nelsonrochaa

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4643 on: March 27, 2019, 02:56:07 PM »
This is a terrible thing to write for many reasons  , these types of writings bring immediate attention to the author.

This is not grandpa’s world anymore red flags such as this are no longer ignored and taken quite seriously given recent violent  events .

This behavior can put your whole world under a microscope.
I'm horrified!
I do not remember ever since I attended this forum have seen direct threats to the physical integrity of people inc. Something has to be done, this kind of fundamentalist behavior must be cut off at the root. really

#### gyulasun

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4644 on: March 27, 2019, 03:05:26 PM »
Sorry MM my fault.

Regards Arne
Hi Arne,
No, it is NOT your fault at all! You did ask the correct and relevant questions and marathonman's "answer" is unacceptable.
He should be put under moderation as a minimum. This is not the Wild West...
Gyula

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4645 on: March 27, 2019, 09:42:37 PM »
User marathonman
is moderated until he will not continue to start flame wars and do death threats...
That is not accepted over here.

Please post an appology and I will unmoderate you again. Please try to be more "professional" and do a
factual discussion and not shouting at each other. PLEEEAASE..
Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.P.S: I also removed his first name over here from the posting, if his last name was also posted, let me know and I will remove it too...

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4646 on: March 27, 2019, 10:17:16 PM »
@ hartiberlin

Regards Arne

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4647 on: April 02, 2019, 11:52:23 AM »

#### bajac

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4648 on: April 12, 2019, 04:34:12 AM »
Hi guys!
Nice to see that you have not given up on building a successful FE prototype. I have been away for a really long time but I have always hoped to come back to do more research in this field.

During my time off I got sick for some time but I have also been building prototypes for other devices. The exercise has given me some self-taught training in the art of manufacturing. I am attaching photos of an LED lighting device that I built to test a concept. It was a success and I am hoping to make some money out of it.

Coming back to the subject of this thread, my experience with these devices taught me that the air gap is a huge challenge when trying to replicate these devices. Once an air gap is made to a closed magnetic path of an iron core, the intensity of the magnetic field can drop by a factor of one over a million. In my opinion, this drop in the magnetic field is what makes the duplication of these devices so difficult. In my last trial, I used a primary coil with about 1,800 turns, but when tested, it was inducing no more than 20 volts. For my second trial, I am thinking of building primary coils using a very thin wire for the primary coil and many more turns as possible, I would say more than 5,000 turns.

I wish you good luck with your experiments!

Sincerely,
Bajac

#### Sam6

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4649 on: April 20, 2019, 12:05:24 AM »
Bajac -

It's good to see you back in action. I always appreciated your insights.

So far everyone I have read about complains about low output. If they are not using the original Figuera configuration or one that gives a low reluctance flux path, they can't get an adequate output. Those with facing like pole electromagnets on either side of an output coil cannot get an adequate output because the flux path between the output core and the opposite pole of the exciter core is in air. Rowland's law states "flux = magneto motive force / reluctance".  As you stated, reluctance of air is huge compared to that of iron, so the flux path's total reluctance is too large for that configuration to have a significant output.

I have also been absent on the forum for several months, but have pursued the Figuera generator principle using a slightly different configuration. Instead of using two magnetic circuits in which the output is a common member, I elected to use a rectangular flux circuit with two exciters (inducers) on opposite legs of the rectangle with like poles facing each other, separated with an output coil between each exciter on the other legs. That way both poles of each magnet were used so the output could be doubled. The amp-turns of one exciter coil are adequate to drive the required flux through the entire flux path, including mitered joint air gaps, if the other exciter is at a minimum of zero output at that point in the waveform.

At this point I have the electronics that excite the inducers working correctly. That portion consists of a main power supply that feeds two PWM power supplies that power the inducers. These adjustable PWM supplies respond to an electronic board that provides two 50 or 60 Hz 16 bit digital sine waves 180 degrees out of phase. The board also provides other signals that permit using other boards to create 3 phase devices. Those boards are designed, but will not be built until the first unit is functional.

Proof of principal experiments demonstrate that this approach allows 3 small coils to produce a sine output using PWM excitation on 2 of them when the unit is in run mode, and that the resultant field from the opposing pole coils can be statically controlled to 8 different positions as it is stepped manually across the length of the output coil when it is in step mode. Max and min adjustments are provided to control the excursion of the resultant field.

My approach does not have the "Part G", but calculations show a 23 KW unit can produce a COP around 100. They are based on the principles outlined in the book, Elementary Dynamo Design written by Benison Hurd in 1908, and the properties of M4 grain oriented electrical steel product literature by AK Steel and Allegeheney Ludlum Steel.

At this point, I am ready to make a 23 KW unit. This device will be about 22x35x8.5 inches, and have a 6.5 inch square core with forces on the order of 6000 pounds at each joint. It will weigh about 1150 pounds - not including the support frame, control and breaker cabinets, or protective screen / housing. Unfortunately, making a smaller unit does not cost appreciably less.

I have previously posted documents describing this device. They appeared on page 289. Since then, I have improved the spreadsheet and corrected minor errors. The original spreadsheet did not warn when entered parameters allowed the output coil to be too large. This allowed the core to be too small, and the back amp-turns to be above the acceptable limit.

If anyone finds errors in these documents,  would appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
sam6