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### Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2173034 times)

#### NRamaswami

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3300 on: March 17, 2016, 07:14:08 AM »
Marathonman:

Thanks for the guiding notes..I stand better informed. Well..

I have one more doubt.

When give current to electromagnets connected in series we have seen that the voltage applied is divided among the number of electromagnet inducers. For example if we give 220 volts to 2 electromagnets in series, the voltage on each inducer becomes 110 volts.

Now I believe that the situation is the reverse for induced electromagnets. The voltage of induced electromagnets when connected in series adds up. This is why Figuera connected the Secondary in series.

Am I right in this assumption or wrong? Please advise. How does this happen? Can you explain.

How the Voltage knows that it is induced voltage and so adds up and inducing voltage and so divides..How does this happen? Can you please clarify?

#### ignacio

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3301 on: March 17, 2016, 05:06:52 PM »
NRamaswami

#### ignacio

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3302 on: March 17, 2016, 05:08:25 PM »
Circuitos resonantes

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3303 on: March 17, 2016, 05:52:25 PM »

Below is what Figuera used in his device except the power was introduced to the system through a copper slip ring through the top rotating brush and two taps at the bottom on both sides one for set N and on the opposite side one for set S.
No resistors were used in the Figuera device at all.

everyone is taking the picture in Figueras Patent literally, it states that it is only to get a idea of what is going on in part G. please read again ... there is no resistors in figuera's device.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 09:43:44 PM by marathonman »

#### NRamaswami

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3304 on: March 17, 2016, 06:11:48 PM »
Thanks Ignacio Thanks Marathonman..

Does this mean for pulsed dc when it is iduced and connected in series voltage will add up.

Would this apply even to inducers or only to induced?

#### ignacio

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3305 on: March 17, 2016, 06:28:01 PM »
OK; marathonman
OJO - EYE
Hay dos tipos de reóstatos. Reóstatos que tienen resistencia continuamente variable y reóstatos [...
There are two types of rheostats. Continuously variable resistors having resistance and rheostats [...

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3306 on: March 17, 2016, 07:38:38 PM »
Ignacio: trace the dates and time back to Germany then decide for your self.

#### ignacio

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3307 on: March 17, 2016, 07:48:27 PM »
Marathon Man : Thank
NRamaswami:

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3308 on: March 17, 2016, 08:59:48 PM »
--> All
--> np  ,  --> Natarajan

A quote from an 'Oern' : "" If there is really magic in the CF device then it seems that we not yet even started to identify & vary the parameter(s) which hold the secret ""  And I (seaad) agree with this

From the patent:
" We will add also a rotating brush which is always touching more than one contact.
(so that the brush is always in contact with two of the commutator bars)
Now well, as one end of the resistor is connected to the electro-magnets N,
and the other is connected to the S, results in that when the brush is
connected with the first contact, the current goes all to the N electro-magnets,
and at the same time, the S are empty..   .. When the brush is connected to the second
contact, the current no longer goes all to the N,"
s e a a d

#### NRamaswami

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3309 on: March 18, 2016, 08:31:35 AM »
Arne, Marathonman and Ignacio:

Thanks for your explanations. I'm afraid that I have not correctly communicated my doubt.

When Electricity is given as inducing current in multiple primaries connected in series the voltage is divided. I know this from experience. When Primaries are in parallel the voltage does not divide but remains the same. This produces an increased effect on secondaries.

When Electricity is induced in secondaries connected in series the voltage does not divide but adds up.

Simply Electricity already produced and given to a coil in series gets divided. Electricity produced by magnetic flux in coils connected in series adds up the voltage.

Now my doubt is what causes this particular change in behaviour? How does the electricity know that it is inducing current or induced current. Please do not mistake me. This is very confusing really.

I have seen that an iron core has a particular point beyond which magnetism cannot be made stronger there. But if the iron rods air gap arrangement is present as in the devices made by me, Gyulasen earlier explained that the magnetic flux storage available in the air gaps can be as high as 24 times in the iron core itself. This explains why my rods did not melt and the devices did not catch fire.

But my biggest problem that lack of knowledge does not permit me to understand is that inducing Electricity is different  from induced electricity. They conduct themselves differently. I'm able to see from practical experiments that magnetism is kind of gas. But why and how Electricity behaves differently is not clear to me.  The explanations you have given me are factual observations. I have also made these observations. But I am not able to understand the How and why of this strange character of Electricity.

It is only because I determined that Magnetism is like a gas I felt that stronger magnetic field can be created in the smaller central secondary but I'm not able to understand the way Electricity conducts itself. The conduct changes based on whether it is inducing current or induced current. This is some thing not in the books but I'm also not able to understand. This is for what I wanted your insight.

Regards,

Ramaswami

#### oscar

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3310 on: March 18, 2016, 08:31:58 AM »
Hi hanon,
Here is my thinking on the topics "Faraday's Law" and "50/60 Hz":
In order to exploit the aspect of Faraday's law that x-times the frequency (turning the Figuera-commutator faster) will lead to x-times the output,  Figuera had to overcome a problem:
...High frequency is said to heat up the Iron core ...
That is correct
...so the core will have to be much bigger than at lower Hertz.
That is not the solution because with a bigger core more input-power is needed to magnetize it and so one meets the same problem again.

So theoretically it should be possible to get more output by raising the frequency but there is this practical problem. To find a solution let's look at one single cycle, when a single inductor gets energized by a single inducer:
The iron core gets magnetically polarized while the voltage in the primary rises.
The core gets magnetized.
Let's call this the first half of a cycle.
During the second half-cycle, electrical power will be created in the secondary. while the magnetization of the iron core subsides. At the same time, the voltage in the primary returns to zero.
This is true regardless of whether the primary is energized with a half wave of AC or a pulse of DC.

The faster you repeat this, the more output you will get in accordance with Faraday's law.
But once you reach frequencies above 60 Hz the output does not continue to rise. You meet a kind of barrier. The core heats up. Why?
Well, because it takes time for the core to de-magnetize (while the voltage in the primary returns to zero and the voltage in the secondary rises). If you hit the core with the next pulse of energy before the magnetization of the previous cycle has decayed - creating output in the secondary -  the energy of all subsequent pulses accumulates in the coil creating heat and no electrical output.

The natural amount of time this demagnetization requires, is an inherent characteristic of iron. Scientifically it is expressed as "Hysteresis".

I think Figuera discovered a trick, that made it possible for him to raise the frequency and get around the mentioned limitation of the iron core.
He supplied a higher frequency than 50 Hz.
But not to one single set of primary and secondary. Instead he used several sets and divided the high frequency among them in such a way, that each set was running at 50 Hz.

He used his commutator two-fold: To create the frequency from a source of DC (Battery) and it also served as a distributor, i.e. as  a frequency divider. Like a distributor of a petrol engine.

An example for the principle: If his commutator would be capable of supplying 400 Hz he would use eight sets. So each one would run at circa 50 Hz.

PS I have not built this. It just occurred to me following various postings of this forum.

#### nul-points

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3311 on: March 18, 2016, 09:00:57 AM »

Good catch, seaad!  Nice quote & illustration relating to the patent  ☺

Wrt frequency of operation, oscar, NR, the magnetic BH curve has constant losses around the loop - important to remember this, since these particular losses will just increase linearly with frequency - choice of frequency will be a trade-off of several factors, it seems

thanks
np

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3312 on: March 18, 2016, 03:27:57 PM »
The quote from the Patent has been quoted many, many times so the actual point he was getting to eludes me.
there are no actual resistors in the Figuera device. the drawing was just used to get the point across not literally and even says so in the patent

Quote;
He used his commutator two-fold: To create the frequency from a source of DC (Battery) and it also served as a distributor, i.e. as  a frequency divider. Like a distributor of a petrol engine.

The commutator or part G has FOUR-FOLD;
1.  to create frequency from DC source.
2. to split the currant between primaries.
3. to store the energy kicked back into the system from the declining electromagnet being shoved out of the secondary core. the part G has a core that stores energy in the form of magnetic field that allows it to be self running replacing the losses from heat and wire losses which are small because the currant in the primaries are always the same direction.
4. Self regulation.

the use of diodes and transistors will block  the inductive kickback and not let the system store it magnetically rendering it incapable of being self running.

anyone on this forum can trace back the time frame of the purchase and the companies involved in Germany it will easily be narrowed down to the device used but if you prefer to remain in your present state of mind well so be it.

#### ignacio

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3313 on: March 18, 2016, 04:35:51 PM »
marathonman:> but if you prefer to remain in your present state of mind well so be it.
Parece, que hablamos el mismo idioma.
It seems, we speak the same language.

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3314 on: March 18, 2016, 08:58:17 PM »
Quote from Patent:
To assist in understanding this idea, it is convenient to refer to the attached drawing which is no more than a
sketch intended to assist in understanding the operation of the machine built to implement the principle outlined
above.
Self Fucking explanitory !

Now on this pic below show me the Diodes, show me the caps and while your at it Show me the resistors.

A quote from an 'Oern' : "" If there is really magic in the CF device then it seems that we not yet even started to identify & vary the parameter(s) which hold the secret ""

Its quite obvious this person has not done ANY active research on the Figuera device AT ALL.