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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1752123 times)

Offline hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2985 on: January 18, 2016, 11:02:43 PM »
Marathon,
In that page in the signature of that post there is a link to a site with clear info. My aim is to collect there the most important info that I think it is important to grasp it in a quick view. Into this forum the info is very dispersed and mixed with many different theories and stuff that is almost imposible to find good info. Of course this will be my view and oppinion about N-N design. All those which want to contribute to that design are welcome to give those key features.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2986 on: January 18, 2016, 11:18:42 PM »
Thank you for clarifying that.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2987 on: January 19, 2016, 09:23:17 AM »
Glenn_FR:
 Good start, looks good [...] just remember a sine/ sine 180 goes below zero and figuera did not[...]
If you look at my design and the plot trace (from a simulator) you'll see that the current NEVER inverses.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2988 on: January 19, 2016, 10:35:16 AM »
hanon


You go it. :-)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2989 on: January 19, 2016, 02:04:15 PM »
Glenn; Sorry over looked wave form. actually everything looks fairly good.i don't see how much voltage you are using, Figueras used 100 volts.  your amperage is not that high so your steel core is probably the source of your heat problems. steel has to many pinning sights causing it to require way to much power to reverse it's domains so i would suggest hacking a transformer core as Doug had suggested or pure iron for a core. even though your primaries are not being reversed steel is NOT as good as Iron and also your core will retain Magnetism. as for your Secondary absolutely do not use steel unless you need to heat your house. ha ha ha.
pure Iron was chosen because Figuera realized that it can amplify the incoming signal up to 50,000 times it's original level so it is just a little info to think about.
I found some large E I cores and used the I part and it worked out just fine for experimental purposes. i think they are about 1" X 1" x 4" and wound with 4 or 5 layers of 22 awg. i also did not wind one continuous coil, i attached one end with the start of another layer and so on, made one hell of an electromagnet. just remember that it can be all wound on one core if long enough... ie primary and secondary but allow for adjustments, just so you know.
even though the layering of the wire i chose was stronger then continuous winding i still used a Solenoid calc tool to get me in the ball park. here is the link for the calc tool but remember to put 200 relative in the permeability section.
if you need any help just ask.

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/electromagnetism/solenoid

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2990 on: January 19, 2016, 02:26:27 PM »
Glenn; [...]  i don't see how much voltage you are using, Figueras used 100 volts. I'm currently using 12v in the simulator and on the bench.  My bench supply isn't very powerfull, around 4A maximum for the moment - but it avoids overstressing the power transistors that aren't yet on proper heatsinks.
  your amperage is not that high so your steel core is probably the source of your heat problems. 
The wire on the magnets is around 0.4mm - that makes it about 26awg.  I can remove the cores to see if they heat as much.  Thanks for the calculator link - very useful.


So, where did the 100v come from?   I would think that in the early 1900s in the Canary islands there wouldn't have been any mains power - 100v seems to be a lot of batteries...  I've also seen, on the 'signature' link that was posted above, talk about 'diabolo shaped' pickups.  That shape - can also be imagined as dumbell-shaped - seems to me to be the inverse of what is required.  But is it a trick to maximise the current pickup in the area where the field is moving slower (each sine peak) ?


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« Reply #2991 on: January 19, 2016, 05:52:32 PM »
Their was no AC at that time so i guess it was DC Gen ? besides he was a physics professor and probably could build any thing he wanted...ha ha ha
as for the 100 volt's, on one of the links that talks about Figuera's Device Patent it says 100 volt 1 amp. i don't have it handy right now but Hanon might have it. i will search for it and post it.

at first i was going to use 26 awg but them Doug brought up the fact that my mag amps will take care of the amount of power coming out so i will be using 22 awg on my primaries and 10 awg Square on my secondaries. the control circuit will take care of that.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2016, 08:15:21 PM by marathonman »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2992 on: January 19, 2016, 11:23:05 PM »
If you look below my nickname in each post, in the left column, there is a World Globe sketch. That's my website. Go there and in the home page down there is a picture of one Buforn patent stating that 100 V and 1 A input gets 20000 watts output. In another part is stated that the output had 300 amperes.

In the spanish forum people is testing with pulsed current with supposedly good results, but nobody gives details. Remember that the 1902 patent used "intermitent or alternating current"

This posts are a possibility using two bucking coils:

http://www.energeticforum.com/270430-post822.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/278000-post836.html

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2993 on: January 20, 2016, 12:52:24 AM »
Glenn, the 100V 1A is a reference to Buforn's patent here: https://figueragenerator.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/patent-constantino-buforn-1914_num_57955.pdf Although I think he means that hypothetically to prove the point that the ampere-turns and EMF is all that is needed, forfeiting the mechanical torque required in a normal generator.

Actually Hanon, I really appreciate this patent copy, a lot of things make sense now. Like the newspaper clipping claiming atmospheric energy, Buforn clearly defines this as the magnetic energy around the wires, the source of induction. It's an interesting read.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2994 on: January 20, 2016, 01:54:53 AM »
In the link below ,  you will find a mechanical-tesla-switch( a wheel-with-electrical-contacts ) on page-9,  it looks like it would function just like the rotating component in   Figuera's-Device,    and down near the bottom they explain how the principle would work to achieve overunity.
http://panaceatech.org/Tesla%20Switch.pdf

Or, I wonder if people back then thought it may have been OU,   because they could not interpret the output and input currents correctly enough,  in order to compare them,  or if they had the equipment to accurately do that .




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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2995 on: January 20, 2016, 02:36:11 AM »
In the link below ,  you will find a mechanical-tesla-switch( a wheel-with-electrical-contacts ) on page-9,  it looks like it would function just like the rotating component in   Figuera's-Device,    and down near the bottom they explain how the principle would work to achieve overunity.
http://panaceatech.org/Tesla%20Switch.pdf

Or, I wonder if people back then thought it may have been OU,   because they could not interpret the output and input currents correctly enough,  in order to compare them,  or if they had the equipment to accurately do that .

The document you link to shows a mechanical switch built by Matt Jones.  I know Matt personally.  He considered it OU because it ran a load for weeks and the batteries did not discharge.   We were also able to get a solid state version to work but only with very small loads.  I was able using Matt's design to get a Tesla Switch to run for a full week lighting some LEDs the whole time.  At the end of the week my batteries were still fully charged.  In addition to the LEDs the batteries were also supplying the power for the electronic switching circuit.  It can be done but it is very tricky getting it to work and if you change the load then you have to start the tuning process all over again.

I have seen on this thread several times the opinion that a commutator is a bad way to go.  I think it must be that most are not familiar with how reliable they can be when designed and built properly.  I have seen large industrial DC motors that were run every day and they would go for years without needing any attention to the brushes or commutator.  Just something to think about.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2996 on: January 20, 2016, 08:59:12 AM »
@Hanon, @Antijon
Thanks for the info, links and references.  So much reading, so little time...
Although my linear amplifier works fine I'm not happy with it's "class A" operation, even if it does help keep me warm at the moment  ;)
I shall be looking into a less wasteful method of driving my coils and then I can experiment further.  I'll post my schematics and findings.

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« Reply #2997 on: January 20, 2016, 01:13:43 PM »
Glenn, the 100V 1A is a reference to Buforn's patent here: https://figueragenerator.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/patent-constantino-buforn-1914_num_57955.pdf Although I think he means that hypothetically to prove the point that the ampere-turns and EMF is all that is needed, forfeiting the mechanical torque required in a normal generator.

Actually Hanon, I really appreciate this patent copy, a lot of things make sense now. Like the newspaper clipping claiming atmospheric energy, Buforn clearly defines this as the magnetic energy around the wires, the source of induction. It's an interesting read.


Actually, I just used the translation done by Alvaro_CS but just modified the format to be like the other patents. Thanks to Alvaro_CS for his hard work translation thw whole patent


For me this patent jsut offer some interesting details. Much of this patent is just literature about the Sun, the Earth, induction,....

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« Reply #2998 on: January 20, 2016, 02:22:13 PM »
@Hanon; I agree it is very good reading, Thank you.

I for one took it a little more than literal and have been using in my test and with great results so i think i will stick with 100 volts 1 amp as a reference point. i think it should be a guideline or Base point ie... no less than.

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« Reply #2999 on: January 20, 2016, 05:23:09 PM »
  If it did contain a rotating 'Tesla switch',  or a 'Wimshurst machine' or any of the other similar devices to Wimhurst,  it should be pretty easy to disprove any overunity effect .
    -  Firstly,  you could just use a simple loop-circuit with a spark-gap,  connected to a battery( or a battery made of capacitors ),  and then see how long it will run for .
        (  but that would only test if the spark/mini-lightning is drawing electricity from the environment )
    -   (  Also,  two metal-plates placed close to each other ( nanometers ) can cause some very interesting effects,  which are even thought as a method to time-travel .   Could they also be generating energy,   especially in this case,   since they are moving past each other,  even though it's brushes( not plates ) that are close to plates  ) .
       And,  http://www.overunity.com/6323/what-about-the-wimhurst-generator/#.Vp-nwJorJH0


     It would be very interesting to see an animated diagram of what is happening in the  middle-row-of-secondary-cores( coils )   which are in between the   two-rows-of-primary-cores( coils ).   
        Obviously the   two-rows-of-primary-cores( coils )  induce a current in the   middle-row-of-secondary-cores( coils )  .
     I can imagine some very odd effects happening in the   middle-row-of-secondary-cores( coils )  if I have understood the polarities and what happens in the coils correctly .
     At some points I can see currents almost crashing against each other in the same wire,  or magnetic-fields crashing against each other .   Or,   maybe these effects could happen in the 'Resistor Coil' .
 
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