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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1865287 times)

Offline Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1155 on: March 28, 2014, 01:32:07 PM »
Shadow
  Because you neglected to figure out how it was to become self sustaining. Other wise it would have built up to a level that was sufficient for use.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1156 on: March 28, 2014, 02:18:25 PM »
Opps! I pushed the wrong button!

Thanks to all for your help.

Here is some more information about my device.
My resistor is made from the heating coil from a small electric space heater
costing less than $20.00.

The total resistance is 42 ohms.
I tapped the "resistor"so that the voltages at each tap would follow a sign
wave curve. I printed a sign wave and assigned ohms along the curved sign
wave. I assumed that would help create a sign wave better than having all
resistors with the the same value. I actually picked up a little AC voltage by
doing this.
I have found out that this heater core only gets slightly warm when in use.
At this point I could safely soft solder the leads to the wires leading to my
commutator. I wonder if I have enough total resistance to work?

Good news, I just got my new factory made commutator, brush holder
and brushes in the mail.

Maybe this will help!

Shadow


Offline Cadman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1157 on: March 28, 2014, 02:51:34 PM »
Shadow,

Earlier I stated my belief that hysteresis was not a factor in the Buforn design. Now I think otherwise. The reason is because although the core does not change polarity, the shifting of the current level between the primaries will cause a shift of the bloch wall in the core. As it moves toward one side the atoms that were one sign must realign to become the opposite sign when the bloch wall has moved past them. So using a solid mild steel core will likely result in poorer performance than a soft iron core.

Something to consider.


Offline shadow119g

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1158 on: March 28, 2014, 03:06:12 PM »
Cadman:

I agree, and thank you again for the source of the commutator.
I hope you can give me a source for soft iron. The only thing I
found on line cost over $250.00 for a length of real iron from
England.
My cores are not retaining any magnetism after use. I
know because I have had them apart more than a few times.
When I run 12V DC through one side it makes a strong magnet.
However, when I run 12 V DC through my commutator the
negativity isn't even close the strength of straight DC. I am
letting everyone know my problems so that we may find out
what not to do.

I still believe we will solve the problems we are having.

Thanks,

Shadow

Offline NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1159 on: March 28, 2014, 04:29:51 PM »
Hi:

Look for soft iron from India..Only Rs. 65 per kg or soft iron rods last time I bought them. Should be about $1 to $1.2 per kg here for 1 kg of soft iron. I'm told that soft iron is not available in Advanced countries..Amazing..Here we have lot and lot soft iron..Look at India and buy from India..

Offline Cadman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1160 on: March 28, 2014, 06:06:21 PM »
Shadow,

I ran into the same thing. Ridiculous $$$. If all else fails I am going to cast my own out of soft steel shot and epoxy.

Nramaswami,

Can you post a link to a reliable Indian soft iron source please?


Offline NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1161 on: March 28, 2014, 07:12:37 PM »
Hi:

There are too many to name..Try this link..http://justdial.com/Chennai/Iron-Scrap-Merchants/ct-20229

Also search through Indiamart

However you need to remember many things..

a. Iron is heavy metal and would weight heavilly. If you order 1 kg of iron there may not be any difference really. If you order 100 kg of iron by airparcel it may come late but may not cost much I guess. But not sure.
b. shipping by air would cost you $$$$ based on weight. Shipping by ship would take a lot of time and they would only accept if you order a container of iron.
c. Air parcel would be fine. Possibly the least expensive.
d. You need to find out if the merchant can export iron. They will need multiple licenses for that. Most are scarp dealers here and are local merchants.
e. This is a bulk material. purchasing in minimal quantities is not going to work.
f. In England I'm told that this if fancy material used for ornamental gates and so is expensive.

I actually find it ridiculous to believe all these things.

Don't you have any iron ore near by. Go there and get some thing from the ore company or just pick up the iron dust there using permanent magnets and you get iron dust which is best. Iron dust should be present all over the place and use a magnet and pick it up..You have made a lot of $$$ worth of scrap iron that way.

My experience so far has been two fold. The best results are obtained when you have reasonably high power input or reasonably high voltage:amperage ratios. But strange thing that only when the magnetic field is less electric field produced is high. I do not know why as usual. But it is the fact observed by me.

I'm even open to do the experiments here as described by any one of you to cut costs and report results to person making the payment provided you meet the costs and do not ask me to ship the materials back to you. I will do the later, if so required at your cost. You will need to define the experiments and we will do it and report to you. No scientific inputs from me.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1162 on: March 28, 2014, 08:27:11 PM »
Cadman,

I am still looking for US sources for grey iron. The epoxy and #7 shot sounds good.
 
Ramaswami,

Thanks for the info on buying from India

Offline Cadman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1163 on: March 28, 2014, 08:54:00 PM »
The steel shot idea is from Paul Babcock. IIRC he coats the shot with polyurethane before casting and he describes the process in this interview. Magnetic Energy Secrets   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXMWvloZBgQ

Well worth watching if you haven't seen it.



Offline hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1165 on: March 28, 2014, 09:54:47 PM »
Shadow,

Very smart design in the resistor. I guess you have to use two resistors in parallel, one for each row of electromagnets, N and S, in order to achieve two sinusoidal waves, one in each row. Am I right?

If you use two parallel resistors you could better test with a sawteeth shape instead of the sinusoidal shape. With a sawteeth pattern in each row you are always keeping the same total current in the system  (I_north + I_south = constant)

Although in the patent is only drawn one resistor, I tend to think that Figuera maybe used 2 resistors in parallel in order to have a simetrical wave along one whole revolution of the commutator. Remenber that in the patent is written: "the resistor system is sketched in a simple way  to make easier its understanding"

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1166 on: March 28, 2014, 10:59:34 PM »
This may be a silly question, but what's the diffrence between soft steel and soft iron? I have  a vague idea that you refer to carbonized iron, but in terms of remanence I guess that is only a problem of hardened steel, no? I would also guess a tiny socket remanence won't kill the effect, since the EMF will be much stronger than that.


From what I've seen with "iron" screw rods, zinc coated (most likely impure iron), there is a Remanence that can even hold an attached 1mm nail, but the field is altered with no problems.


One thing you may have to worry about much more is basic Reluctance / permeability. All smart flux path ideas won't work when the field strenght is near zero even before it reaches the secondary.


If I was you, I'd surf to ebay and order some Metglass with that insane permeability, virtually allowing you to build fancy cores trough the livingroom of your neighbour and back, and not lose any significant field strenght on the way, not even at high frequencies. Check the various subtypes, I guess on metglass.com. These are 21st century hightech materials. Seen for 45$.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1167 on: March 29, 2014, 12:25:47 AM »
this is a similar circuit you might want to watch, possibly where one idea might be a trigger to another on same lines.  >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_Bwwvlc3I  <

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1168 on: March 29, 2014, 01:00:45 PM »
Dieter;

you answered the question your self, yes Iron has very low carbon content and steel has a high carbon content.

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the pic below is what you will get (without Parts board only).




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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1169 on: March 29, 2014, 01:44:19 PM »
That board is looking great, but I guess you'll have to add cooling ribs.


About the steel issue, so carbon is a problem ? What exactly is it?


Wouldn't it be sufficent to use a low remanence material for the Y core only? And to prevent Hysteresis, does it make a difftence wheter steel or iron is used?? I'd rather try laminates, or ferrite, or sendust or otherwise iron sawdust casting.


But I repeat, even a core made of iron wire has a poor permeability, making any efforts very fruitless, where a ferrite core of good proportions, or even metglass or permalloy makes things way easier. A good core permeability is as important as a good enameled wire.


Regards