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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1843999 times)

Offline NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1050 on: March 20, 2014, 12:11:29 PM »
Hi Dieter:

This is what happens in the primary.. The primary electromagnet for the two inductors P1 and P2 consumes the same 200 watts or 640 to 680 watts irrespective of whether the secondary is connected to load or not..That is what the P1-S-P2 coil connected in the NS-NS-NS polarity does..

Similarly secondary output has a fixed wattage.

If you increase the number of lamps voltage goes down and amperage goes up but wattage remains the same..primary is not affected by whether we connect secondary to load or otherwise..I have already reached that stage..

I'm going to do exactly what you indicated as A_A_A_ which Hanon asked me already to do yesterday..That will make the primaries send an enormous amount of magnetic flux and oscillation of electrical field to the secondary and I would expect the secondary to work very well. Let me tell you tomorrow..This would avoid the commutator and the resistor set up.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1051 on: March 20, 2014, 02:34:03 PM »
NRamaswami, if your device consumes 200w without a load then there must be something wrong. If the resistance of the Ps is too low, the current will be practicly short cirquited and the magnetism is only a small sideeffect. The real resitance  is complicated to calculate, but the dc resistance may act as a rule of thumb. eg. 100 ohm at 230v, that would be 230 x 230 / 100= 529 watt.
Theoreticly, with two primaries, it could happen that one sees the b field of the other one as a back mmf, causing a load by counterfighting 2 primaries. that of course should not happen! Remember, the b field has to build each cycle, it follows the voltage delayed, and that delay depends on frequency and impedance. And also the back Emf has these characteristics. Counter fighting primaries have to be prevented under all circumstances. The path from one primary to the other should not be easier than trough the secondary. Which is where we want the current to be induced.


I am making a new Test, with two E cores and a piece of iron sheet as a spacer between the middle leg, and paper between the outer ones. This way the path from the POLES of the Ps will have an easier loop trough the middle leg, but whatever tries to loop trough a primaries core will find an air gap there... to be confirmed...


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1052 on: March 20, 2014, 03:14:30 PM »
Marathonman: Thank you. I believe your electronic commutator will work.

Cadman: Thank you, I am ordering a commutator, brush holder and brush today.
 I think I remember seeing them before but I was caught up in my own device. I am
sure this commutator will work as it should.

I still believe in electronic devices, as they have no moving parts, relatively inexpensive,
and I believe, more reliable. I envision having two electronic devices and maybe even
two sets of transformers for reliability on any vehicle or maybe even home. Just as piston
powered aircraft  have two magnetos for each engine. Prior to every flight, the aircraft
checklist, has the pilot check the mags my selecting both then left, the both, then right,
then back to both prior to takeoff.
Thank you again,

Shadow


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Offline Cadman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1053 on: March 20, 2014, 05:02:34 PM »
Shadow, you're welcome.

I believe in electronic devices too, but building a driver for something like this generator is out of my league.

My thinking is, since I will not be using radio frequencies, simple mechanical devices have some excellent advantages to offer. Simplicity and durability for instance. I will be using a lead acid battery source at 12 volts and higher along with various coil sizes and combinations while testing. Since that will result in wildly varying amperage demands from one setup to another, a simple heavy duty commutator and a coil of inexpensive nichrome resistor wire will make it very easy to change the driver circuit resistances to suit the situation, without worrying about blowing up sensitive electronic components. The resistor wire can handle accidental short circuits and dissipate 100s of watts no problem, if need be.

Besides, it will be much easier to design the electronics once the requirements are firmly established.
Either that or one of the other builds will be wildly successful and it will be a moot point.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1054 on: March 20, 2014, 06:47:21 PM »
I agree. Even though I am good with machining, welding and other skills
It would be foolish for me to try and build the commutator made by
Eurton Electric. I don't think I could buy the copper for what the
commutator cost. I am back on track now, thanks again.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1055 on: March 20, 2014, 07:46:07 PM »
Thank you very much :D
I have some very good board designs availible if you you guys need them. i am using DIPTRACE free to 300 pins. i am using 64 bit right now but the 32 bit can be downloaded also. if i post my board output file someone can use diptrace to open it just point it to the file. i'm sure you've seen the boards they are sooooo sexy. ha ha ha !. the file can be output in Gerber and NC Drill to have made. the sequence is 123456789987654321 and has central grounding pin for all transistors. the timing can be set from 50 Hz to 800 Hz with a change in cap from 100 nf to 10 nf then adjust trim resistors. the Transistor Traces are rated for just over two amps 50 mil.
NTE makes a adjustable Vitreous wound resistor that's 225 and 300 watts. that's a lot of amperage guys at 12 or 24 volts. but i will be using it at 100 volts at 1.3 amps with 1500 turns = 2 to 3 Teslas @ 1.5 to 2"x 8" core 5" coil. 3/4 " secondary.

One thing though i have a question about timing: i found a different set up for 555 , it is the pic on top.  which one is better or is it just personal preferance ????both are Astable.

I was wondering if one could wire a transformer to have 9 taps would that work for this with no resistors????? just curious.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1056 on: March 20, 2014, 08:02:39 PM »
Hi Dieter:

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I'm not able to clarify the theoretical points stated by you. All I can say is this. When the coil is used only on the Figuera device of two primaries and one secondary in the middle with a common core, it behaves like this with low wattage. When it used a transformer using only one single primary where the secondary is wound under the primary, the same coil consumes with an iron core in the center 220 volts and 6 amps and with an air core 220 volts and 18 amps. So Figueras design is an optimized design. Incidentally with the secondary surrounded by center the output of transformer is 85% efficiency only which is understandble considering the core loss due to soft iron which is not even insulated and is fully of eddy currents. If we use laminated steel cores to make the central core or the more expensive ferrite core, the losses will be much more lesser and efficiency will improve.

Another point to note is that I'm connecting the primaries in series and not in parallel. So I can only say what happens in experimental results. I cannot theorize that some thing is wrong or right. I accept the experimental results. I cannot say if some thing is wrong or right. I just accept them and proceed from them. I'm sorry I'm unable to theoretically explain what is happening as I do not have specific knowledge in this field.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1057 on: March 20, 2014, 08:56:43 PM »
NRamaswami,


In series? You mean the 7 elements, but I hope not Primary A and B in series?


First of all, reduce the current in the primaries so they won't get hot without a load. Then you have to watch the paths carefully. The primaries cause magnetism, ok. But where does it flow to? A magnetical north pole tries to close the loop to his own south pole, or to an other south pole. If that is not possible, it will try to spread the magnetical strenght in the iron core as much as possible in all directions. These two states are fundamentally diffrent from one another. When a loop was closed, a path is created, absorbing virtually any magnetism. In this state the core will be nonmagnetic to external iron pieces. A loop path was found and therefor the behaviour is non-pathseeking.


On the other hand, when no path was found, the core will continue attracting external iron.  It will appear "magnetical" in every corner of the core. It is actively pathseeking. Magnetism will "leak" at all sides.


With this knowkedge you can test your setup and see if a primary is able to close the magnetical loop. You feed DC to it, unpulsed and you should get no attraction when you try to stick a nail to the core. Any core assembly connection should be as lossless as possible. Leakage can be detected and fixed, eg. by precisely even steel contact surfaces.


Airgaps (between coils) must be small enough to maintain the loop, but they are an unavoidable source for leakage. But this is not always bad, when a gap is inside (or under) a coil then the leak becomes a field distributor.


So what I am trying to say is, try to find out what paths your coils are using and consider the back mmf to be present on paths (not neccessarily the same) as well, but slightly delayed, possibly interacting with the next upcoming fwd halfwave.


I can only repeat, the goal is to prevent the magnet field that is created by the induced current in the secondary (our Output!) from flowing back to the originating primary. It may flow to the other primary, which is low at that moment, so the loss does not become significant...


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1058 on: March 20, 2014, 10:43:33 PM »
Here it is a simple dircuit to create the pattern told by Dieter before:

A_A_A_A_A_A_A_A_A
_A_A_A_A_A_A_A_A_

It is a small modification to a common diode bridge in order to operate with two series of coils in parallel


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1059 on: March 20, 2014, 10:52:01 PM »
Hi all,

In this link:

http://maestroviejo.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/espero-que-con-esto-no-tengan-disculpa-para-dejar-de-pagar-la-electricidad-gracias-a-clemente-figuera/#comment-42069

A guy reports successful replica of Figuera device. He states:

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    Some basic knowledge of electricity is required.
    1º How to make a inductor electromagnet, taking into account the number of turns to avoid that the iron reach the saturation,  in order to be efficient
    2º The turns in the collecting coils, for the voltage needed
    3º A variable frequency drive VFD (or similar) to induce the electromagnets
    4º A diode to keep the electromagnets a 10% charged as minimun, without a return path
    5º Basic means of electric safety

Look at the pictures in the top side of this page. He grounds the induced coil with a cap in between the coil and the ground.

Maybe the key is to mantain a 10% minimun current all the time. some sketches are very weird because he mixes AC with DC current from a small battery. I think he did not disclose the real schematics but just the idea...

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1060 on: March 20, 2014, 11:04:51 PM »
Marathonman,

On Dec. 24, 2013, I posted in Reply #454, a link to a 555 circuit that produces a wave similar to a sinewave. In one circuit, the wave form is above 0v (ground), the other circuits wave form goes positive to negative. It may or may not be of interest to you.

http://www.talkingelectronics.com/projects/50%20-%20555%20Circuits/images/555-Osc-1.gif

Best of luck to all,
Bob

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« Reply #1061 on: March 21, 2014, 03:33:29 AM »
Marathonman,

On Dec. 24, 2013, I posted in Reply #454, a link to a 555 circuit that produces a wave similar to a sinewave. In one circuit, the wave form is above 0v (ground), the other circuits wave form goes positive to negative. It may or may not be of interest to you.

http://www.talkingelectronics.com/projects/50%20-%20555%20Circuits/images/555-Osc-1.gif

Best of luck to all,
Bob
Bob,
I have studied these type of circuits and have certain ideas in back of mind that i might implement with smaller cores i have acquired . i am thankful for your attention to detail and appriciate  you bringing it to my attention. at this moment though my full attention is on the task at hand. i have spent considerable funds on the proper cores and timing device as i deem appropriately fit for Figueras device at assumed correct proportions thus producing evidence of my assumptions and labor shortly.
HAPPY FIGUERING !

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1062 on: March 21, 2014, 06:04:11 AM »
Hanon,


actually I was referring to the following:
(you may try to exchange the contacts of Primary 2, in the pic it's  N y N). Needless to say, a circuit that allows to alter the frequency makes more sense.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1063 on: March 21, 2014, 06:55:57 AM »
Hi Dieter:

I'm using both P1 and P2 in series only and not in parallel. I will change to parallel and check their performance.

I agree with you that the electromagnet should feel like no magnet to be the most efficient. However soft iron being strongly magnetic will show magnetism, strong magnetism at that and so leakage is bound to be there when we use soft iron. A core material that will cause low magnetism that is sufficient to make the induced emf which causes either no or low core loss might be ideal solution. We will try to use the laminated transformer cores in the primary and soft iron in the secondary or soft iron in the primary and laminated cores in the secondary. Let me see which one works.

Hanon: If we make one primary larger and one primary smaller then both of them should have current at the same time as the time difference between the two waves is just 10 milliseconds in AC circuits. This is my gut feeling only and remains to be checked.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1064 on: March 21, 2014, 09:39:58 AM »
Hi all,
 
Here I attach a circuit with AC rectified current + DC base current to avoid reaching zero current.
 
If anyone knows any other circuit to accomplish this objective please share it in the forum. 
 
In case you use a VFD (Variable Frequency Drive) to get pulsed DC you may provide a minimum current during all the time installing a resistor in parallel to the VFD . This way you could feed a small current even during the off-pulses.
 
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« Last Edit: March 21, 2014, 07:10:08 PM by hanon »

 

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