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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1614439 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Monster Ferrite Rods http://www.stormwise.com/page26.htm
Paper towel  cardboard centers and toilet paper centers covered in resin are good bobbins to.

Thanks for this, though they do not do foreign orders... just within USA.

Gyula

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OK some more tests with a 180 phased inverter type driver circuit, my coil set is pictured below. Some things to consider are that the excitement of the secondary is by making the core magnetized in a varying way, there is no direct induction to the secondary from the primary as there is in one coil wound on top of another. This tells me that the primary magnetic field strength or density transferred to the secondary's core determines the output of the secondary. So if in my drawing the left primary has a north end facing the secondary then during the left primary current flow the secondary core will become north near the left magnet core end and if the current was kept on it would make the entire core (EDIT: to the right of the neutral zone in the energized coil) north after a short time, like an extension of the primary core. However due to the coil I think this is different. Anyway I see this as kind of like switching a permanent magnet flux through a coils core. The magnetization delay through the core means the flux is going from one end to the other. My coils with full inductance are 60 mH primaries and 220 mH secondary.

I tried one north and one south magnet and also with Two north magnets ( both north ends of the primaries facing the opposite ends of the secondary). With 50% duty to each coil with both primaries north end facing the core I got a sine wave, though not efficient with respect to the secondary output and because I was using square edged pulses I had to collect the coil discharges into another battery, which greatly improved efficiency. My cores are gapped to the thickness of a card or so. Putting a load on the secondary only slightly increased the input but the output was not much through a 266 Ohm resistor 13 or 14 volts.

I think the drawings are not clear enough to get a good picture of how the coils and cores are actually configured. I can think of another way they could be made different to how i did it.

I'll do some more tests with DC and a compass, I was tired towards the end of last night.

It might be a plan for those without a commutator and resistor array to direct the discharge of one primary coil to go through the other primary coil back and forth I have a plan for that arrangement.

So simple a child could put it together, pffft, that means we are all less knowledgable than children, I reject that. I guess if they had all the parts already made and clear instructions on how to arrange it a child could but I fail to see how a child could decipher that patent. That's ridiculous.

Cheers

« Last Edit: March 05, 2014, 06:27:24 AM by Farmhand »

Offline marathonman

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You could try larger Primaries like this, "Flux concentration"  as Figueras shows larger Primary any ways in Patient ????

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Marathonman, that's looking good, I wonder how the impact of such a concentration would be.


Farmhand - I was wrong about 180° being no good. I made some further tests and it turned out, 180°, or when AC is used just to exchange the poles on one primary, performs even slightly better than 90°. So I dropped the phaseshifting cap and simply connected one primary in reverse, but both from 12 Vac (actually about 2 Vac, because there is a 27 ohm resistor to limit the max dissipation).


But I got some really exciting news, I may have cracked the secret (I know I said that already twice, but this time it is really something huge). It is very simple, gives 5x more energy, could well be the secret of the Figuera Generator and may have something to do with the Coil set that I have made, because it works only under certain wiring conditions. Using other connections , even although the coils did some transforming, the effect was not seen.


All those who insist on a commutator are on the right track! I found this so exciting that I made a video. It explains it all. Watch this:

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2WCAA6st_s&feature=youtu.be


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Dear Dieter,

Do you think that instead of 'sparking' the input AC 12V, a bidirectional MOSFET switch driven from a CMOS 555 timer  could substitute your 'hand switching'? Or the 'spark' is an absolutely needed 'ingredience' and no substitute exists for it?

I would like to understand how you arrived at the 5x more energy?

(For me, it is not good to see you short the output capacitor (i.e. the output) with putting the voltage meter into the Amper meter mode with the range switch... Have you considered where the output voltage has gone when your Amper meter showed 'plenty of Amps'?  Please do not be cross with me... I ask this NOT to tease you but to think this over.)

Thanks,  Gyula

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Not sure if it has been mentioned or shown but I think I remember seeing similar already, anyway, Is it possible the cores are Laminates "I" or more like sideways "H" cores, like in the sketch below. from the top they would look like squares, but from the sides they might look like "H" cores on their side.

My next step is to machine the ends of the cores to make them meet squarely and insulate the ends with something much thinner, and then use as little gap between cores as possible.

By the way shunting the coil discharge from one side to the other does work but requires two more diodes and some capacitors, and is less efficient than if I discharge the coils to a second battery, but please note I am using square sided DC pulses, one problem with that is if at 50-50 duty when the first coil is discharging there is current still flowing in it when the current begins to flow in the second coil. The same happens when the coils are discharged to a second battery but it happens quicker.

To get the best result from having both primary north ends facing the center coil in my dodgy setup surprised me, but it gives a nice sine wave of the most amplitude as compared to one north one south. And if I use a capacitor on the output coil to tune it the input drops rather than increase as I would expect and the wave form gets bigger as usual.

Anyway I wish I could try the I cores or sideways "H" cores.

Cheers

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Right now I am trying to stop sparking in my commutator!
I do not have the rectifier or the capacitor in my secondaries.
I will give it a try, to see if anything happens.

Shadow.

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The "scratching" produces fast transition times in the primary. The faster the transition from 0 current to full current, the greater the rate of change of the magnetic field produced by the current. The greater the rate of change of the field in the core of the transformer, the greater the "output voltage" that the secondary will produce. This is Faraday's Law, one of the Maxwell Equations. Yes, you can do the same thing with semiconductor switching elements and matching networks. This is the "kick" of SM coils, the fast transitions of the JT, the spikes that make a good Tesla Coil.
 
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shadow119g This sparking in the commutator is exactly why i chose solid state  that n less work for same result.  cant you use a cap like on points on a car or magnets to suppress like tesla.  here is 3D view of my board below. the pic i posted on 872 was for Farmhand because that is what he is working on. i myself is / are working on original from patrick C or H like Farmhand posted because i believe Figueras would of made it "Modular" because he was efficient with simplistic design and he said for more voltage just add more cores so i think it is Modular. i am also looking at the T design i used on post 811 or 812 so only time will tell when i get the rest of iron in ARGE !

Will 18 awg be ok for primaries i will be using 100 Volts 1 Amp like has been posted and 10 or maybe 8 for secondaries?????? i am working on 100 volt 1 Amp power supply right now. ;D
 i think im in the 2.08 to 1 ratio from generator  primary to secondary....YES/NO ???

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Gyukasun


I think the sparks are required, contrary to what hanon said.. By moving the brush, you'll get multisparking and each sparks 2 electrodes are in a state of chanching distance to eachother, exactly what is described as a condition to achieve the townsend electron avalanche. I do not only get high voltage, the 100 to 130 Volts are measured at a capacitor! In the capacitor there is the current earlier present than the voltage, so this isn't just spikey voltage with no current, but real energy. Actually the spikes may be much higher ( be save and use a 400 V Cap, this will also help to harvest the spikes), considering the primaries run with 2 Volts and the secondary has about twice as much turns as a primary, it's quite impressive to get 130 vdc AT A CAP.


A commutator is useful for battery operation, but the simplest is a moving brush contact that has only one purpose, to get the sparky transfer. Note this is no sparkgap! Using 12 Volts and then get 1mm sparks that you normally only get with 1000 Volts, makes clear that something is going on, that is unique and probably can't be done with mosfets or transistors. Tho, creating AC from a 9v battery would be a useful task for a transistor cirquit. Personally I hope to be able to run an inverter (12 Vdc to 220vac50hz) , so this would be no further work.


To obtain this effect, the coil must be wired as described. I suspect that the coils form some kind of "back emf trap". Using AC from mains grid, as I did, makes this extremly simple. But I think your core must have the same flux properties, that is 3 possible circulations : right and over middle, left and over middle and skipping the middle, circulating trough left and right. Also, the circle flux allows to selfamplify it by any back emf, as mentioned already.


It's simple, try it.


Shadow119g, a bridge rectifier made of 4 diodes costs only little, a dollar maybe. Fo does the capacitor. You may also us the one from an old power suppy. These days they are closed in a plastic box without screws, but you can crack it with a saw, just be careful and saw onlyhe wall and not what's inside.


I'm off for some more tests.

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I built  my original commutator so that I could turn the brush long ways
to bridge the contacts or sideways to get sparks. I will be able to do the
same on my new commutator. I just have to finish the new brush holder
hold down strap so it won't fly off the rotating part of the device like it
did a few days ago.
Marathonman:
Thanks for the advice! I am skilled at mechanical things, but not so much
in electronic devices. I stated a short while ago that I believe in the short
future solid state is the way to go as it will be inexpensive and reliable.
It would be cool if you could have at least two devices on any vehicle
(air land or sea)!

Shadow
as a back up.

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Marathonman, that's looking good, I wonder how the impact of such a concentration would be.


Farmhand - I was wrong about 180° being no good. I made some further tests and it turned out, 180°, or when AC is used just to exchange the poles on one primary, performs even slightly better than 90°. So I dropped the phaseshifting cap and simply connected one primary in reverse, but both from 12 Vac (actually about 2 Vac, because there is a 27 ohm resistor to limit the max dissipation).


But I got some really exciting news, I may have cracked the secret (I know I said that already twice, but this time it is really something huge). It is very simple, gives 5x more energy, could well be the secret of the Figuera Generator and may have something to do with the Coil set that I have made, because it works only under certain wiring conditions. Using other connections , even although the coils did some transforming, the effect was not seen.


All those who insist on a commutator are on the right track! I found this so exciting that I made a video. It explains it all. Watch this:

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2WCAA6st_s&feature=youtu.be


 Regards

Hi Dieter,

I hope you are right but you would have to test if your measures are accurate in this nonstationary mode. Time ago I did basically the same as you and I got also higher voltages and amperages. I don´t think that my measures were correct because I used a digital multimeter. I don´t know if your multimeter, being analog, may take better reading for those cases. Also you have used a capacitor in the output. What is the advantage of measuring over a capacitor?

Later I tested with an osciloscope from a friend and the voltage were very small which confirmed that my measures were worng. Please see these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeDipazJxzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpZJfIIY7GE   (Input: 12 V and 1.2 A  pulsed by a car relay) (when I tested with identical electromagnets the results were null. Then I tested with one 150 turns and one 900 turns and the result were the one in this video)

If you really feel that you results are fine please keep on testing. Just think a way to confirm your results

Please tell me your opinion

Regards 

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Hello Dieter! I have some questions for you...

How many microfarads (uF) is your capacitor from the video? I see you have one big and one small capacitor in paralell or something - what is that about? (please tell the rating of both capacitors).
What is your load on the output (in paralell with capacitor) - is there a resistor - how many ohms?

THX in advance for the answer!

Dann
 

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Hi all,

I have been re-reading the patent from Daniel McFarland Cook  (patent US119825, from 1871) amd he used concentric wound coils a Ramaswami is doing. Also it is very interesting that McFarland remarked two or three times that the only requirement was that the length of wire were over 500 ft long, even better if it were over 1000 ft long. His coil core length were ranging from 2 to 6 ft. So he built really huge coils ! He lso remarks some times the insulation of the wires. And I still think that something it is missing in that patent because he refers to the "circuit D" and a rheostat which are not in his drawings...

I have also found this article about his story. There is an interview rescued from an old newspaper.  The reported was a witness of his generator in 1886 and he assured that it worked fine. I wonder what happens to his invention from 1871 (year of the patent)  to his death in 1897. Very interesting article and video:

http://www.richlandsource.com/community/article_fbac1344-779e-11e3-8a2f-10604b9f7e7e.html


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@ Hanon,
Thank you very much for the information you posted about the sequence of patents published by Buforn.
I would like to ask you, when were those patents made available in the internet? About three years ago, I remember searching the internet for any information about Clemente Figuera and I was only able to get one sketch (in bad shape) from one of Figuera’s patent. The sketch is the one I showed in the paper that I posted in this thread.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I STARTED READING BUFORN'S PATENTS (124 PAGES DOCUMENT) AND I WAS REALLY AMAZED TO SEE THE SAME STATEMENTS THAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG. I HAVE READ THE FIRST FIVE PAGES (IN SPANISH) AND THERE WAS A PARAGRAPH THAT CALLED MY ATTENTION VERY DEEPLY. THE PARAGRAPH IS THE SECOND FOUND ON PAGE 6 OF THE PDF (PAGE 5 OF THE DOCUMENT) AND IT READS SOMETHING LIKE:
“IT IS THEREFORE DEMONSTRATED THAT A DYNAMO (ACTION) IS NOT A CONVERSION OF MECHANICAL WORK INTO ELECTRICITY: THEN, WHERE IS THE ELECTRIC CURRENT COMING FROM? THE CURRENT OF THESE GENERATORS MIGHT BE PRODUCED BY AN UNKNOWN PARTICULAR MOVEMENT OF THE MOLECULES WITHIN THE MASS.”

THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS A SCIENTIFIC HERESY THAT I HAVE SUPPORTED FOR SOME TIME. I WILL GIVE YOU THE FOLLOWING TWO CASES TO THINK ABOUT:

1.       AS I STATED IN THE PUBLISHED DOCUMENTS, THE STANDARD TRANSFORMERS MAINTAIN A CONSTANT Φm AT NO LOAD AND AT 100% LOAD DUE TO THE AUTO REGULATION MECHANISM OF THESE CLOSED IRON CORE TRANSFORMERS. THE CONSTANT Φm IS ACKNOWLEDGE BY THE MAINSTREAM ENGINEERING BOOKS AND CAN BE VERIFIED BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE TRANSFORMER’S OUTPUT VOLTAGE REMAINS ABOUT THE SAME DURING THE LOADING PROCESS. THEN, IF THE ENERGY OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD DOES NOT CHANGE NOTABLY AT ZERO AND FULL LOAD, WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE ENERGY IS NOT BEING TRANSFERRED THROUGH THE MAGNETIC FIELD. IT CAN BE SAID THAT THE MAGNETIC FIELD INDUCES A VOLTAGE IN THE SECONDARY COIL BUT NOT THE ENERGY AND/OR POWER BEING DELIVERED TO A LOAD. THE INEFFICIENCY RELATIONSHIP OF THE INPUT/OUTPUT POWER IN STANDARD TRANSFORMERS IS DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF CLOSED CORES, BUT IT IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE. AND,

2.       YET, I HAVE NOT FOUND A MATHEMATICAL MODEL DESCRIBING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ENERGY OF A GIVEN MAGNETIC FIELD AND THE POWER PRODUCED BY A COIL DUE TO A VOLTAGE INDUCED BY SAID FIELD.

SUCH STATEMENT IN THE PATENT IS VERY PROFOUND! AND IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!
 
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