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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1657313 times)

Offline Farmhand

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If we take a coil and vary the DC current though it it will make an all DC wave of one polarity to one end of the inductor and the other polarity to the other end of the inductor. If the current through an inductor is DC and only one way then one end of the inductor will be positive always when energized and the other end will be negative always when energized, the south inductor can simply be fed the other way or turned around to make the south pole face the secondary. No reversal of current through the primaries will result in a DC wave on the coil all above zero or all below zero depending on the one you look at.

A coil given a varying DC current will produce a magnet that has one north end and one south end with no reversals. The patent shows he used the north end of one magnet on one side and the south end of the other magnet on the other side, and the currents were 90 degrees out of phase.

Figuera did have an AC supply, he had motors and generators. But he built this. I think he did it just to remove the need for a rotating generator to get AC electricity. If he found it produced free energy, fair enough. If he actually did then we should be able to do the same.

The effect of the two opposite poles on opposite sides of the secondaries out of phase causes an AC wave in the secondary, I guess.

IF you take an AC source and use a capacitor to split the phase then use diodes to give only positive currents to each of the primaries 90 degrees out of phase so that one primary produces a north pole towards the secondary and the other produces a south pole towards the secondary then the object of the resistor array should be achieved.

But then how to self run ?

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Offline marathonman

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According to From Buforn patent No. 57955 pic posted by hanon it clearly shows that the primary cores are larger than the secondaries. this is as i stated in earlier post that the cores are double in size than the secondary or substantially larger now more evident than ever. if the N S Electromagnets are shared with the next group then the flux would have to be large enough for two core outputs plus losses. if you study the patient drawing it looks quite possible that the output cores could be sitting on top of the N S primaries in a T fashion.remember it is suppose to be ridiculously easy. see my drawing and advise. additional winding could be made on primaries or secondaries to make self running as stated by Hanon i think from patients.

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Or even this set up could be possible for that matter. just remember Electromagnets are far more powerful than magnets by many, many more orders of magnitude .

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Offline NRamaswami

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Marathonman:

Your second drawing looks great.. It is a modular design.

I have tested one of the cores like this with one single module in a square pattern . Inputs and outputs are parallel. All follows the NS-NS-NS-NS pattern.

There was no output and magnetism disappeared. I do not know why. If we use it in a straight line we do get magnetism in all 4 electromagnets but when we put all of them in the square pattern magnetism disappeared. I have not checked by reversing the poles as to make like poles are placed parallel to each other. I really do not know why magnetism disappears under the sqaure pattern when it is present in a straight line. Of course I used the inefficient method of a common core in the straight line method before Doug pointed it out and advised that it is inefficient. This is why I draw the attention that in the patents of Buforn or for that matter Figuera the core is only half inserted in to the inductor magnets and not shown to be fully inserted from end to end. This is the question I asked..

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The way I see the drawing each section goes like the drawing below basically. The north magnet is fed a "lump" of DC and as the current is declining in the north magnet the current is rising in the south magnet, as the current in the south magnet is declining the current in the north magnet is rising to begin the next cycle. We need to remember there is a difference of phase and level in the applied voltage, the current will follow accordingly. That's how I see it, the flux in the induced coil "secondary" is always changing polarity due to the phase difference between the north and south excitation.

More elements could be added in series, but the patent show open ends doesn't it, so maybe it cant be made into a circle or a square.

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How about a little bit of fried common sense. In reverse it should produce DC from mains ac using only coils and cores. Since the resisters on the control unit produce fluctuating DC the absents of the control unit will yield straight unadulterated DC from the inducers when ac mains is fed into the induced output coil. Then you know you are proportioning your components correctly when you have the dc output you want to work with compared to ac output when you turn it around to work off the batteries to start it. Then you can tackle the method of making it do the impossible.
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Marathonman


When you pump a  pure dc pulse into a coil, the collapsing field between the pulses will cause a polarity change in the back emf, you will always have to deal with ac. If you block it with a diode, it will get hot and waste energy. Where did you read Figueras had AC Generators?


In your drawng there the coils are facing two diffrent poles, neutralizing eachother. When you vary the voltages, you may rescue some of the energy, but not much.


In a generator there is indeed a similar setup, the inductor coil ends face the inducted coil ends and the inducted ones will move along continously. So sometimes they are facing s to n completely, or n to n, this is the peak in the output. Any constellation in between, like your 50:50 overlapping does reduce the inductive coupling significantly. In your setup, the energy output will be higher if you disconnect every 2nd primary.


Then the cores  don't face eachother, but get close only at the edges, this is not how induction works.


Seriously guys, you seem to love to theorize and completely ignore the fact that there's an existing, working prototype that was presented to you including all data.  You tell me my practical device is wrong and your theory is right. Is that openminded? No it's absurd.


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Offline Doug1

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This should help in the conceptual sense.

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Hi Dieter:

Today is Sunday and my boys will come for work only tomorrow. I will check the ladder configuration with the secondary  facing two like poles. as indicated in your experiment. I do not have a ferrite core which is very efficient and used in high frequency experiments but any way I'm going to use the mains AC and so Let me check that. While you have given small currents mine are all mains currents and so we can see what is the power output that comes.

The ladder configuration is the one that I felt could work very well but placed all of them kind of NS-NS-NS-NS in a square to create a single module. Possibly the 90 degree difference does some thing  to cancel out the magnetism. When they rods are all straight up there is magnetism and when the rods are squared and connected at both ends the magnetism disappears. I will check by chaning the winding pattern. Let us see. I can confirm that as voltages go up output goes up dramatically. I will sure test what you have done.

If we are able to make a device that has greater output than input, a part of the output can power the source of the feeding current and that will result in self sustaining operation and so the only question is to make a device with a greater output than the input.  I believe that this device has great potential and let us wait and see.

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 While one magnet gets powered up the opposite is powering down.If the magnets face south against south and one field is pushing the other rather then simply combining into a single field of greater or lessor strength the collapsing field wound with a coil must go somewhere.It would be nice if it went into the field winding of the coil being powered up wouldnt it but to do that it would need a force to slap against it  to get to go where I want it to back into the windings with enough potential to over come the potential feeding the upswing of the other inducer coil. Then for each cycle you would use less and less of the source up to it being totally saturated. Then you only need enough difference to wiggle the current instead of the magnetic domains ,which by my estimation domains have much greater mass and would require significant work to move full circle N S N S. But then what happens to a unloaded trafo when it is fully magnetized? Noth'n It uses very little power to maintain the field.What ever amount is needed to produce magnetic movement of the field which is fully saturated in the trafo.Actually I dont believe that is what is really happening in a trafo but for now I will digress. Is the orientation of the poles of any importance to the trafo when it is idle? Noooo  and when a load is permitted it now has a bigger piece of real estate for the current to fill by transformation or translation or both. Current is turned into magnetisim in the trafo and then turned back to current in the opposite side winding so the current can reach the load and be turned back into magnetisism. What if I do not want to use the current from the source, just the motive force to be used in a closed system separate from the source which will be my load without transforming. That's why the three coils are completely separate.  The coils of the same orientation will become one field.

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Doug:

I will check this configuration also on a common core without air gaps. P1 CW winding P2 CCW winding. Secondary CW winding. I will check it on a straight core ( when I think nothing happens) and a square shaped winding with the the secondaries are also CW and CCW and the other two hands being the two Primaries also CW and CCW. Since we send alternating current poles may suitably adjust to produce induction in the most efficent way. If this works, your theory works. Not otherwise. I have gut feeling it may work for all CW or All CCW does not work when the thing is square.

By the way can you calculate and tell me how many turns are needed to hold the electromagnet for 230 volt input. What should be the ohms needed to hold the current and what should be the wire size and core size..I think there is a calculation for this that includes the permeability of the material also and it may be different from material to material but I do not have this information. Please let me know if you know this information..

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Offline marathonman

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The coils i have shown in my drawings will not cancel each other out because they are not all pulsed at the same time . north is fired then south is fired, please get a grip.  each end will react with the opposite end of the next core . both outputs are separate outputs not interacting with each other. i will try and see if this is possible. it even says in bafon patient that extra electromagnets are possible.....so where do you think he is going to stick them....DUH ! the two pics are the same exact thing Farmhands and mine they will react the same just angled slightly different . on pic #2 is the same thing with added cores that will react the same except output cores are 90* out of phase.

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Marathonman, of course you can do that and I wish you good luck. It just contradicts what I know about magnetism and induction.


NRamaswami, if you try my setup, try the one with the photo, also with the 2D alternating Flux diagram. Not the green 3D image I posted a while ago! (this was something very diffrent). CW or CCW doesn't matter in this design Core may also be soft steel, but ferrite would be nice.


You best read my postings beginning from :
www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg389978/#msg389978


Up to here, this should give you all neccessary Information.
You will need a lot of turns. Depending on your wanted current, the wire should not be too thin. As a rule of thumb measure the resistance of a Primary, (Volt x volt)/ohm=watt, so a coil of 100 ohm may range around 500 Watts. When you use a capacitor to bring P2 90 degrees out of phase, then it needs a huge capacitance, can't find the formula... A comutator could be used instead, but it's a lot of work and a sparky, scary thing at 220V. To be able to exchange polarity to maintain true AC from the commutator, both wires need parallel commutators, so you can connect eg. 8 of 16 sections reversely. That's then 2 comutator tracks for each primary coil.
The relation of turns between prim. and sec. will define the output voltage. 220 Volts input, secondary half the number of turns should give something near 110 volts. Please note this calculation is for normal transformers, the figuera design may give you more!
The question is then, how many Ampere are there because Volt x Ampere=Watt. So I hope for you, you'll get more than 500 Watt output.

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Hi Dieter:

Thanks.. I need a simple help and guidance.

What is the number of turns for a 4 sq mm wire to be wound on a 4 inch dia iron core. soft iron core with greater induction ability. I'm able to hold the electromagnet study at 240 turns by limiting the supply of current to 5 amps in a 2.5 inch dia core. But with 4 inch core, I'm not able to do it. If we use trifilar coil the 32 amps office tripper trips out. If use bifilar coil it takes 18 amps. If we use a single wire I may be able to maintain the electromagnet stable. 4 sq mm wire has 4.91 ohms per 1000 meteres.

My understanding was that if I use thin wires with high resistance 1 sq mm wire has 18.1 ohm resistance for 1000 meteres. If I use small wires I can keep the electromagnets stable. Or if I use small dia cores the electromagnets may remain stable. I need to get the electromagnets to become stable. Once that is done rest is easy for me.

Unfortunately the electrician who worked with me with scripple on papers and they are lost. I do not know how we managed to get 4 sq mm quadfilar wires to get only 220 volts and 7 amps and hold them study. The loss of trained electrician is put me to great disadvantage.

If you can suggest a small core size, and the wire gauge to be used and the number of turns, I will implement them. I do not have the kind of core you showed me but that is not a problem we can built it using the laminated steel cores used for the transformers and bolt them all up to create the one you created and test it.

All my wires are not magnetic wires but insulated wires. Please advise.

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Dieter,

Here is a laugh for everyone!

I am working on my commutator and at 3600 RPM my brush holder flew off
and almost hit me on my right ear.
You are correct about building one, I have been working on this one for
almost two weeks/

Shadow

 

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