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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1657044 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #780 on: February 27, 2014, 01:29:56 PM »
Thanks. Reading all 50 pages did in fact establish your nickname  :) . Please let me know when I obviously miss something.


One interesting thing, that contradicts the books, is, when I applied a voltage to the pancake coil, then monitored the field, it did not cumulate the strength radially as expected, but gave a stronger field just away from the big cake surface, kind of like a loudspeaker. The thin side at the other hand didn't even draw a line.  Such things teach me not to trust the theories too much.


Thanks for your suggestions. I didn't think of a smaller core for Y.
An other thing I think I have seen is: tbe magnetic fields of a permanent and an electric magnet did not accumulate like 2 permanent magnets, but it seemed they were more like overlayed. Could that really be? Could it be that they are not the same kind? Ok, just a strange observation that I really need to verify.
The ratio of the number of turns will also determine the voltage in the secondary. Additionally I  have made the observation that a rather little number of turns is better for a strong magnetfield that can build and collapse quickly, where for the secondary a higher number of turns will help to achieve a voltage at all, at the cost of lower amperage of course.
The problem with the gaps is: using as little gaps as possible is just the same like using no gaps, but then take a material that suppresses eddy currents (eg. a core made of welding rods, or painted spokes or painted iron wire), or maybe a core that is conducting the magnetism but not any electricity, like ferrite. Too bad I only got two "E" cores made of ferrite, and not one straight one. Will do some more tests later on.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #781 on: February 27, 2014, 05:16:28 PM »
We as human  and the science community actually know very little to nothing about this universe we live in. only a few actually know the real workings of it and they are massively censored and controlled. what little information we have are used to attempt in building of free energy devises that that may or may not work as almost all patients are mangled to the point that the information is hard to follow. so that leads us to follow are hearts and mind of reasoning and interpretation  threw the collection of information. in that note i would suggest collecting all information about Figueras and other related devices and through self experiments, i.e. trial and error to "GET THIS DAMN THING RUNNING" with the help of your friends of course.
i would start by trying to follow Figueras to the tee for starters. his set up is like a transformer except he is splitting the primary in two to avoid the nasty Lenz law  that simply related to two like charges. these two primaries have to be bigger than the secondary because of the losses from material i.e. winding , core and gap losses. in this process of primary separation we have two opposite charges that attract one another and the reaction of the air gap mitigate the Lenz actions that allow the secondary to produce uninhibited voltage and currents that steps the voltage down and raises the amperage.  we then series them for the desired voltage like a flash light battery and use it in any form we want...i.e AC/DC one for house the other to power are cars for ever. allowing us to STICK IT TO THE MAN SIDEWAYS ! oppression is real and active and we are the "Gardians of the gate of Humanity" and have to stick together.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #782 on: February 27, 2014, 07:48:18 PM »
Hi Marathonman:

What you are saying about patents being deceptively worded is ok. It is correct to a point.

You are confusing between Lenz law and Lorentz Force Law. Please check wikipedia to know the difference.

This is neither a step down transformer nor a step up transformer. When you talk about transformers you talk about stepping up the voltage or stepping down the voltage. This is a Generator that uses transformer emf.

Let me explain.

Induction motors work on the principle of rotating magnetic field. Induction generators work on the principle that if the rotation of the core of the induction motor is increased to an RPM higher than the RPM of the rotating magnetic field, the increased rotation would convert the induction motor to function as an induction geneator. RPM is nothing but frequency.

In a Transformer the rotating magnetic field is the casue for the electricity being produced in the secondary. So theoretically speaking if we manage to increase the frequency of the output in the secondary, then the transformer should be able to function like the generator in the same way the induction motor has been made to become an induction generator.

Is it such an impossible task for more than 125 years to be achieved? I'm not an electrical engineer and all of you know that I'm a dummy in Electrical engineering but all of you also know that I'm a hard working and straight person. Let us see if any one can say this or that circuit can change the frequency of the secondary of the transformer.. Then that transformer will become a generator. Not a transformer that steps up or step down voltage. This is what Figuera did. So this is why it remains a mystery device.

Let me know if the above principle is wrongly stated for I have not studied physics and most of you know that I'm a dummy. So if I make mistakes I have no problem and I will correct myself and learn..

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #783 on: February 27, 2014, 09:27:06 PM »
Yes i know i was referring to one Law  but spit out another (sorry). no i was talking about the patient office deceptive practices and patient being reworded or pages/info missing. as to the induction motor/ Generator, there has has been accounts in early Germany that some people have rewound a motor to act as a generator at the same time so YES it is possible but i myself haven't the clue how to do it.  i think the word you or should be using is Ignorant not Dummy. the definition of ignorant is "NOT KNOWING" the other...well you just can't fix stupid in which you are NOT. every person will have a different interpretation of the same thing that is why we are here to hear other people's interpretation and together come to a logical conclusion. i had an epiphany earlier and this is what i came up with. this is the wave form of Figueras devise or rather my interpretation of his/my wave form. THIS IS VERY SIGNIFICANT TO FIGUERAS SO PLEASE STUDY and please advise.
Quote from Doug1 ----The point where the two fields meet will have a shear line separating them like two window fans blowing at each other.The air will circulate around the fan like discrete bubbles circling each fan. The center point of collision of the air has two opposite direction of flow. If your hand is more close to one fan it feels the air flow and direction from that fan and if closer to other it feels the opposite. If the fans are alternately slowed down and sped up the collision/wall will move side to side". N/S-S/N exactly what is taking place below in my Paint pic. zero line is moved side to side of normal zero.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #784 on: February 27, 2014, 10:19:48 PM »
Remember it was said by witnesses, that it was unbelievable that such a simple system was not invented already earlier.


After some tests with cores, the ferrite core has 1500% effiency compared to a simple iron core. So now I' m doing some coils for it. Running out of wire here  :'( thinking about to sacrify a microwave oven supply... desperately searching for alternatives...


The pulses are indeed important, nice drawing BTW. As I see it, characteristics are as follows: while in Primary A the pulse is crossing the zero volt line, Primary B is already at 50% voltage, this means Y  will never rest but always being pulled in one direction, where the change of direction must be very fast, compated to the entire pulsewidth.

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« Reply #785 on: February 28, 2014, 01:48:14 AM »
Ok, I was reading the patent again and then I realized: the inductors are not eighter SNNS or SNSN, they are both, alternating! There is no other possible interpretation. Carefully watch the following diagram and be aware of the flux always tries to flow in a circle using the easiest path:

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« Reply #786 on: February 28, 2014, 02:11:25 AM »
I'm sorry. I made a mistake.

In an induction generator, if the RPM rotor is increased by supplying mechanical energy to increase the RPM in excess of the frequency of exciting current, then the electricity produced.

So essentially it is only in the primary of the transformer we must increse the frequency to get a higher output. I think the Tesla coil does exactly that but it goes to a very high level of mega hertz level and uses air core, to create sparks as it uses sparks in the input. If the input frequency is increased from 50 Hz to 400 Hz or 30000 Hz  or so we should see a considerable increase in the output of secondary..Instead of typing as primary I typed as secondary. It is only the rotor rpm that is increased to generate electrical output. I think it depends on the core material used to increase the frequency as we desire.

My mistake. My apologies.

I think if we increase the frequency of primary of transformers to higher levels by using materials that can respond to higher frequencies the output should be higher. The output current then will have to be rectified to dc and then again inverted to AC at 50 Hz..I think this is already used in some inverters. Will need to check.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #787 on: February 28, 2014, 04:27:36 AM »
Ok, I was reading the patent again and then I realized: the inductors are not eighter SNNS or SNSN, they are both, alternating! There is no other possible interpretation. Carefully watch the following diagram and be aware of the flux always tries to flow in a circle using the easiest path:

Dieter your drawing is correct except there is a north and south electromagnet and the zero volt line is at the bottom of the graph and the south magnet wave needs to be inverted

It would seem to me that the north and south electromagnets are 90 degrees out of phase, the waves are sinusoidal but the north wave is above zero and the south wave is below zero. The south magnets can be made south by either connecting the wires opposite to the north magnets or winding the coils the opposite way, I prefer to keep all coils wound the same and connect them opposite.

Figuera says as one current is rising the other is falling so that means the two are 90 degrees out of phase. The rising current in the south magnet makes the wave go down not up, even though the current is rising it is causing a negative magnetic pole at the induced coils meeting edge. So the wave is south going. Both waves are sinusoidal but one is above zero volt line determined by the battery negative and the other is below that same line.

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« Reply #788 on: February 28, 2014, 05:51:44 AM »
Like i stated in my previous post picture that i made with paint says it all, just what Figueras said. i will stick with what i have until my test build is complete and i have run test. :) only need a few more pieces of Iron....Happy Figuering all!

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« Reply #789 on: February 28, 2014, 10:47:40 AM »
The confusion is only due to a simple issue. This was written in spanish language at a different era.  When customs and language requirements were different. This was in addition in legalese of Spanish Patent Law at that time. Now it is translated to English by Hanon.  We are trying to understand it. Each one interprets it differently and each one carries out experiments at a smaller scale to attain the results. Experiments to replicate the patent are not done as exactly stated in the patent. Even if we think we are doing exactly what he did, every one comes with different schmes and different waves at different days and times. This is because our methods of learning are different and our methods of thinking are different. When I studied maths we had to have all tables by heart. Today calculators and computers and spreadsheets are used and none knows or follows or needs the old methods. This patent is based on the old methods and old thinking used 100 years back in Spain. This is what creates the problem.

I'm sure the solution would be found by one or more of the members of the community. It may well be just sitting before our nose. Or we might have forgotten some thing that we ourselves did some months back..And then may remember that again. saving considerable time.

Let us wait and see.

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« Reply #790 on: February 28, 2014, 12:40:54 PM »
NRamaswamiVery well spoken.There are times when I wish had  command of communication the way you do.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #791 on: February 28, 2014, 03:24:55 PM »
Marathonman, I agree with your drawing, as far as I see it says the same as the one from me, no? Anyway, I was wrong with my first drawing (the fancy 3d one on page 51 I think), altough an interesting thought, not really what figuera was describing.


To clearify: in my last drawing the inductors are like:
 N        S
(             )
 S        N


But that's just the wiring, due to the 90deg out of phase of the 2nd inductor, there is like I said alternating snns snsn nssn nsns... In fact I think it doesn't matter how they are wired, it's self synchronizing, as long as the 90 deg. delay is there.


Now, 90 degrees out of phase, actually is the wrong term because we do not only shift the current (ampere) out of phase, but we need to delay both, ampere and voltage, by 25% of the full ac cicle, assuming we have an ac source like 50hz mains grid.
So, as far as I see, as the dummy I am (too!), we cannot simply use a cap as a capacitive blind resistor that will delay the voltage only, but we need to combine it with a coil that does the same with the current, so the result is in phase by its own, just delayed as a whole by 90 degrees. Correct?


An alternative would be the mentioned steppermotor controller or the original commutator. But a coil and a cap would be perfectly simple.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #792 on: February 28, 2014, 03:47:49 PM »
Doug:

Thank you so much for your kind words.

I think the commutator and the resistor array may not be needed now. Earlier they used to have DC currrent and amperage was high and voltage was low. Cost of materials was low. communications were very difficult. Today we live in a different world where electricity is supplied at high voltages that were not available at those days. Getting a spark was considered an achievement today if you just tap the tester on a an open wire joint carrying current, minisparks instantly come boosting the input frequency boosting the primary voltage which gets reflected in the secondary.

So I believe that the Figuera device was all about defeating Lenz law effects using a method that is not in our books. But possibly known to them at that time. The patent specifically mentions that it is not subject to Lenz law. So I think that is where the key is.

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« Reply #793 on: February 28, 2014, 07:47:51 PM »
I agree, but Figuera had to take care, not to be considered being the builder of a "perpetuum mobile" because that wouldn't be granted for patent, so the easiest way was to say it does not obstruct Lenz's law.


About the commutator, even if it is archaic, we should think about to use it, just to stay as close to the little information we have as we can. The more modifications we do, the more it becomes unlikely that we ever achieve the same effect as Figuera did.


You named it, sparks. Do we know how they affected the coils? Sparks can cause tremendous back-emf, and they may interfere with the back emf already given by the inductors. These back emfs by the inductors, seen isolated from the source, are rather soft due to the sinus shape pulses, nonetheless they are there and they are added to the following pulses, which is good.


But even so, I still don't see where the extra energy comes from.


BTW. I have made some flux tests with the ferrite core and the amazing thing is, although monolithic, the magnet flux can choose certain paths inside the material, and it always chooses the shortest way! (without any gaps). So, a single magnet at the edge of part 1 of my dual E- shape ferrite core allows to attract part 2. If I add a second magnet, part 2 falls right off, the flux chooses the path to the other magnet, instead of the part 2 ferrite. This way you can guide and channel the flux just like traffic trough the material. This showed me that there may be no need for the gaps. (tho I agree, not too many modifications, it's just, ferrite is so hard to cut...)


I am optimistic that  I can do some pretty conclusive tests this evening.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #794 on: February 28, 2014, 09:47:59 PM »
Dieter i don't think they are the same. yours has two positive peaks and two negative peaks from two different coils and i have one coil producing only a positive peak up and down and one coil producing only a negative peak up and down with o voltage line being shifted every 180*.  i have reasons for not disclosing the hole theory until i get some test done with my cores. still waiting on Iron. if i am right i will disclose all in nice report with video for all. i am still leaning towards the 300 watt Vitreous wound adjustable resistor as i can have multiple taps at any position i want to get desired amperage. i originally designed my boards with LED's but i realized that any thing over 14 hz using 4017B's are a waste of time. they are solidly lit so no blinking....looked cool though. 4017B's have built in overlap that's why i am using them and also their is no programming to F with just 555 timing and the fact that i built them and they are just sexy. ha ha ha!
that deal with the Caps are not a good idea as Clemente NEVER stated a word about caps besides the whole idea was to get magnetic swing with a split core (two). if my theory is correct their will be no lenz even produced....my advantage is i am self taught and my mind is not corrupted by present day Academic or Scientific DOGMA that hovers over our Societies keeping us in the dark (dumming down) not allowing the real truth about magnetism and electricity being two sides of the same coin and that it can be pulled from the Environment at your house just like the utility companies do... i am out side the box looking in not the other way around.........i have one board at 500-800 HZ and one at 60 hz i will be testing

 

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