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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1638297 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #705 on: February 18, 2014, 03:08:58 PM »

Do you mean to say that we must provide exact wattage consumed by the primary back to the primary for it to self run or in exact voltage:amperage combination apart from exact wattage.. For example if I provide the feedback from a lower voltage and higher amperage but similar wattage as feedback from thick wires,  would it become higher voltage lower amperage combination automatically due to the fact that the primary has thinner and so higher resistance wires..Can you clarify on this point please.. I'm obliged..



1) Think that starting input wattage is 'X' and output wattage is 6X (as you said earlier 6 to 8 times),  send some  1.5X watts back to     
     input primary assuming for losses and balance 4.5X watts you can make use of.

2) Instead of connecting secondary directly to primary, connect it through step down or step up transformer as the case may be to get
    exact voltage required by primary.


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« Reply #706 on: February 18, 2014, 03:31:36 PM »
Hi:

Thanks.. We will try to rebuild it. It may take till Saturday or Next Monday. I will come back after that. We will first check whether the output is exactly 6x times as all are doubting the 20 amps output figure. We will check if the doubts are valid or if we made a real breakthrough. We will simply report the facts. If the voltage is very high we will step it down.. That will take building a custom built transformer to reduce the voltage to 220 volts and then connecting to load to check what is the output. If that output is positively 6 to 8 times higher as I believe it should be, then we will try for the self sustaining part. Others can also come up in the meanwhile with their results. They can validate or negate my results. ok. I think this is fair for now. Let me now focus on my work.. Bye.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #707 on: February 18, 2014, 09:09:40 PM »
Hallo People!
A very good job going there :)
my 2 cents
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #708 on: February 19, 2014, 12:13:46 AM »
Hi all,

As refered previously in the forum the patent US119825 by Daniel McFarland Cook also used concentric wound coils.

I have looked for that patent and in the text is referenced a circuit "D" which does not appear in the available figure. Maybe there is a missing figure where this circuit is represented. What do you think?

http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #709 on: February 19, 2014, 12:32:10 AM »
Just thought i would add my 2 cents. have been fallowing Figueras for some time now and i have designed my own timing board that really blows PJK out of the water. what most people don't understand is that the 4017B decade counter has built in overlap capabilities. as one channel is coming down the next is coming up and so timing overlap caps are probably needed but i designed it in the board just in case. most designs on the internet have a blinking secondary output which means that there is no timing overlap what so ever in which figueras specifically said needs to happen(make before you break).  i have 9 channels because i didn't like the awfull stair step people were getting. 1-9 5 being 0 volts. the board is capable of 60 to 500 hz or more with 20 or so milliamp with 7805. it has a centel grounding pin on the IDC connector for people that want to use opto isolators and it has isolation on main power. board was made with DipTrace free and is 4"x 2.3"2 layers. 1 % metal film resisters and poly film caps all ic's cmos. the transistor are MJ11028's ran through a adjustable vitreous wound resistor  from NTE. i will post more as my build continues  and will post video on youtube soon.check out attached pic. may all of you have success

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #710 on: February 19, 2014, 12:58:27 AM »
Hi:

I'm informed by Hannon that all of you thought that there should be an air gap between the South Pole of P1 and North Pole of secondary. I apologize for the air gap confusion. I fail to understand how two powerful electromagnetic cores with opposite poles can be kept apart. That will require a tremendous effort.

The air gaps I mentioned are the ones between the two plastic tubes. There is a slight air gap between the tubes. It need not be present and the whole thing can be constructed on a 5 foot or 6 foot long single tube. For ease of construction we cut the tubes. Nothing more. The presence or absence of the slight gap between the tubes is irrelevant for the function of the device.

The Figuera device as done by me is an extremely simple device. But the dimensions and the wire sizes must be kept in mind. You cannot build a cat and should not say why it does not weigh or behave like a Tiger. To make some thing to become a Tiger, you must build that like a Tiger.

You can use a 3 inch dia or 4 inch dia or 5 inch dia plastic tube and build the device. I promise you that the results will be there if you try to replicate but the size of the device and the wire gauge used and the length of the wire we used and the number of turns must all be there to see a similar performance. This will require a lot of effort and you will need a lot of labour help. It is not a one man job. But as I said the voltages are very high and the amperages are going to be high and it is deadly and you need to be careful. You must do the replication at your own risk and must take all safety precautions.

I have already filed a provisional patent application for the device disclosed and I will file a complete specification and a PCT application and then would provide step by step construction details and what are the details needed.

Whether it can become a self sustaining device I cannot say now but I can say that the device will output more watts than input watts. That much can be promised.

I again apologize for the air gaps confusion.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #711 on: February 19, 2014, 02:18:41 AM »

 I fail to understand how two powerful electromagnetic cores with opposite poles can be kept apart. That will require a tremendous effort.


Fix the three rods to a single base frame using clamps, bolts and nuts.  Clamps will hold the rods tightly in place. No  'tremendous effort' is required.



You cannot build a cat and should not say why it does not weigh or behave like a Tiger. To make some thing to become a Tiger, you must build that like a Tiger.


I think you are doing the same thing.   Seeing the cat through a magnifying glass and getting illusioned  that it is a Tiger!


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« Reply #712 on: February 19, 2014, 03:06:20 AM »
"I think you are doing the same thing.   Seeing the cat through a magnifying glass and getting illusioned  that it is a Tiger!"

Thanks..Regarding the bolded part.. Perform the repeatabillity of the experiment and share your results. What you think is irrelevant if you do not or would not perform experiment and share the results. 

This is not a single rod to be fixed by nuts and bolts. Do you know how many rods are needed to pack a 4 inch dia plastic tube. Try packing it and then you would know the number of iron rods needed and the weight of the soft iron. So you think you would make two massive 4 inch dia soft iron electromagnets of 2 Tesla with opposite poles and they would remain in place with a clamp, nut and bolt.. At least when you think, please properly think..There is a difference between thinkers and performers.

"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword, clearly has never been under any automatic fire- Gen Dougles"

Don't share your thoughts. Please do perform and share the results of your expriments. Thank you.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #713 on: February 19, 2014, 03:39:54 AM »

This is not a single rod to be fixed by nuts and bolts. Do you know how many rods are needed to pack a 4 inch dia plastic tube. Try packing it and then you would know the number of iron rods needed and the weight of the soft iron. So you think you would make two massive 4 inch dia soft iron electromagnets of 2 Tesla with opposite poles and they would remain in place with a clamp, nut and bolt.. At least when you think, please properly think..There is a difference between thinkers and performers.


What I said is just an example.  If it is not possible to fix the rods using clamps, you have to think of some other methods. You are talking about few rods,  I have fixed pumps and motors weighing 5 to 10 tons to base frames using power bolts and nuts. Nothing is impossible in fabrication.

Your postings clearly show that you neither have book (theoritical) knowledge nor fabrication knowledge.  You are not miscommunicating but just getting confused without knowledge.

Don't think that members of this forum are fools. They are intelligents enough to understand things without performing experiments.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #714 on: February 19, 2014, 04:23:28 AM »
Steel rods as a core would not be a good choice I don't think, because the ends of the cores will face each other and any loose rods will try to move when the coils are energized not just together but also they will probably try to repel as well depending of phase differences. And as well as that the rod cores will have a lot of air gaps still present.

A small gap can be maintained between cores by using paper or something in between the cores, but then that would be a paper gap and not an air gap.

Here's a suggestion to use the rods though, take one piece of tube that holds all the rods cut to length for all the cores or as many as can be got from one length of rods (bundle).

Line the inside of the pipe with a coating of oil or something like that to stop the glue sticking to the pipe (former) if you want to remove the rods bundle from the pipe that is if not let it stick.

Ok so you have a bundle of steel rods and a tube as you fill the tube with rods use some glue to glue them all together (and to the tube if desired), leave to dry so that all rods are leveled at the ends. Now you have one big core set solid inside a insulating pipe (former) that you can cut into whatever sized pieces you want without needing to cut a lot of rods. And everything is held solid in one piece. Then to prevent any movement you can use a piece of paper between the cores and use wooden blocks behind the cores to stop any repulsion vibration "movement of any significance".

Best way to cut would be with drop saw or with a "metal 'Steel' cutting disc" on a grinder, which is inherently dangerous, be careful. They make really thin ones now that cut real good but are more fragile. For safety be prepared for the disc to fracture and fly apart sending pieces at high velocity towards your chest and neck/head, if your not ready for that, then you're not ready. Suit up and full face shield.

Otherwise a hacksaw could be used or whatever.

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« Reply #715 on: February 19, 2014, 04:34:39 AM »
I'm sorry I never said or indicated any one here is not intelligent. Simply calculate the force needed to keep two 50 kg electromagnets of 2 T with their opposite poles facing each other and without touching them with an air gap between them. And then visualize if my mini lab could have the facility to have such powerful devices. Is it possible or practical..Your motors and pumps are not electromagnets with opposing poles kept not to touch.

You clearly show that you have not used the forces of magnetic attraction as the magnets just instantly move towards each other and attach themselves. To keep two Neodymium magnets that have about 0.6 Tesla strength and which will weigh about 100 gms each not to touch each other when their opposite poles face each other with our bare hands or even to separate them from one another is difficult. It is done but we need to do it carefully as otherwise it will hurt the fingers.  When that is the case two electromagnets weighing 50 kg with their opposite poles not to touch..., what will be the force needed. Cranes will be needed to do that to the electromagnets. See if I would have them in my place..

Please see that I'm saying that is laughed at like Magic etc.. by others.

I must have some guts to report this kind of results. I must have some guts to say some thing that would be contrary to what would be expected. I must have done the experiments and then I'm posting the results here, a place of posters acknowledged with an open mind.  And I must have some guts to show simple, a very simple device that uses both the forces of magnetic attraction and repulsion and combine them which is not done today.

Granted that I have no theoretical background and it is openly acknowledged by me. But Figuera was a Professor of reputaton. What I have done is to de-codify his careful words and modified the whole set up, deliberately made complicated by him to hide the simplicity of the thing and made a simple device that can be replicated easily by any one..None of you have done that decodification..And I have disclosed the simple device. Read his interview posted by Hanon that the whole thing is very simple.

Rather than making assumptions or presumptions, do the simple to replicate experiment. If you do not have the facility or if you do want me to post the videos when it is replicated here, I would post it. When some friend demanded pictures of disassembled set up in took the photos and posted it as it is in a moment.

I look at other members here with respect. No disrepect is never intended or given. But please do not assume things. If you calculate the force needed to keep 2 telsa electromagnets with their opposite poles not to touch each other, you would know what is the force needed to do it given your mechanical background. Just see if I would have it doing things part time with my own money.

I have my reputation also when I post such results. If the results are not there I would not dare to post. See if I have made a dishonest claim. No.. I have open mind to accept that I need to check and since all of the members doubt that the 630 volts and 20 amps result could come, I'm in the process of replicating it. I have also reported that for an increase of just 10 volts at no load from 240 to 250, the output increases by 60 watts at load conditions. Please do replicate the experiment. It is not easy to do and I have given you a lot of information.

Please do replicate the easy to do device, in the given configuration and you can check and verify for yourselves..I'm saying some thing that is not normal. some thing like that is magic..to repeat the words of other friends. Why not replicate and check it yourselves.  I have answered all questions..And when I theorized, I indicated that I'm theorizing and I have not done the theorized experiments.

Figuera and Hubbard both used a similar set up. That set up mimics the Earth. How it rotates. Figueras set up is based on full rotation of Earth. Hubbard set up is based on half rotation of Earth..And pleaes note that I'm a Not at all a rich man..I have my problems. I have my profession and clients and family. When I deciphered some thing that would be of interest and that is contrary to known or expected results, I would normally try to keep quiet. I'm posting the information that can be replicated and verified here. Please do replicate and see for yourselves. If you do not have the means to do so, let me post the videos.

I'm neither confusing nor am I confused. I have the results and you will see the results yourself. The details that I have given are not in any theory books.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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« Reply #716 on: February 19, 2014, 04:38:57 AM »
Hi All:

I saw Farmhand's posts about a book..I don't go by books.. I go by my experimental results. I have not seen any book that says you need a particular voltage:amperage ratio for the secondary to start functioning effectively. We found out from experience.  What we share are the experimental results. Not abcd is stated in xyz book..I'm not an Electrical Engineer and I do not understand the page long calculations and so I ignore them all and trust my experimental results and then move on from there to do other experiments.

I agreed with newton II and also informed that we lost nearly 100 fuzes..So you well know that we have done a lot of work.

We will present the experimental results.. If they are not greater output than input also we will put it here..When I have the honesty to say all this what is my problem? I have no problem.. Really not worried if One member will not give me an ear..I am least bothered really if one member will not listen to me.. Experimental results that any one can replicate will be posted..

And I have asked how many of you have converted an iron to a permanent magnet and I have not received an answer. That is kept a secret.

So I do not care about much of other books. I do not care about what abcd theory says or xyz says.. All I care to see is what is the experimental results. Does it makes common sense? Can we go further without taking risks..

I will devise a safe method to test the high voltage output step down by a transformer and then giving it to a load by putting about 100 x 200 watts bulbs in parallel and keeping all of them on. give power to the primary to induce the secondary and then the step down transformer. Let us wait and see what the voltmeter and Ammeter show on the load. We will then know what happens.. What is the output wattage and what is the input wattage.. We will then see.. Do I have any thing to lose if I say look what we have got is less than the input..Nothing..

Do I have any thing to gain by saying look what I have got is more than the input. Again nothing..

I share the results with the community.. Nothing more and Nothing less. Will it change the world. I do not know and I do not think so..For I have got only two people indicating that they would attempt to replicate the experiments. And NewtonII who appears to be very experienced felt that the flux would be additive in the central core which is what should happen as that portion uses the forces of magnetic attraction.

The problem is all of you have studied theories and machines that use only forces of magnetic repulsion.

Figuera advocated a totally more efficient concept of using forces of magnetic repulsion and magnetic attraction combined to get a greater outpt than the input. If one module does not produce the results, we need to give the output of first module to the second and so on. All this increases the input voltage:amperage ratio. This is why I clearly mentioned at fixed low frequency of 50 hz, if you want to get better results increased the input voltage:amperage ratio but the amperage should be reasonbly ok, in the 5 to 10 amps range for magnetism to be effective. I have given all information..And I have said that larger the core size, longer the core and longer the number of wires and higher the number of turns all these things work..

Check Magnetic field strength in any book.. It would say Magnetic field strength = Number of Amperes x Number of turns.. Is there any mention of the need for higher voltage there..

Look at the inductor capacitor theory: As the magnetic field collapses, the electric field increases..As the electric field collapses the magnetic field increses..What does that mean.. A low magnetic field that can create high induced emf will result in a high electric field..This is borne out by our experiments. But if you give milliamps and 100,000 volts you would not see any results.. Input amps must be adequate to create a reasonable amount of magnetism, a low level magnetism to produce electric field.

Have you bought and open a bottle dynamo used in bicycles.. See that the magnet that rotates in dynamos is of very low magnetic strength. That is desired to produced current..

Any way I think we can build a self sustaining generator and give it a one shot electric current and make it continuously produce electric current. Then I will provide the full construction methods and why it works and how it works..That is if It works as I anticipate now. Many of my anticipations have been knocked out by experimental results and so I go only by experimental results..

Well I'm impressed, someone who had an OU device and knew it was OU, but left it to do other stuff, a person who apparently short circuits secondaries with a current meter, and who is against some conventional knowledge so much that a large post is required to explain why.

The part in the quote I made bold reminded me of something I heard said just recently almost exactly the same by another person. And although it is true magnetic field strength is determined by ampere turns, the voltage does not need to be mentioned because we know from Ohms Law "books" that if we want 10 amperes of current in a coil and the coil of wire has 10 ohms resistance then anything less than 100 volts will result in less than 10 amperes of current to begin with, so even though the voltage is not mentioned without the applied voltage there would be no current to cause any magnetism. No voltage no current - no current no magnetism. Very simple concept.

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« Reply #717 on: February 19, 2014, 05:09:09 AM »
Farmhand:

At 12 volts, you can have a lot of amperes to flow. That would result in a very powerful magentic field. Extremely powerful magentic field retards the electric field. For efficient electric field to be developed, high voltage:ampere ratio is needed. This is the practical thing we found and we did not see it in any book. We have reported the results.

Whether a devie is OU or not is not my interest. My interest is my profession. When the Electrician who managed the experiments passed away we stopped it for sentimental reasons and I have already informed that I'm posting the information so others can take it forward. If it is laughable, I have no problem.

I have also promised that I will try to replicate the experiments and share the results. If the results are not what we felt they are also we would report them. If the results are lower input higher output also as I strongly expect it to be, we would report them. We would also provide full information on how to replicate. We will see next week.

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« Reply #718 on: February 19, 2014, 10:17:23 AM »
Waiting for detailed step by step tutorial.... I'm lost with details and don't want to cut my iron rods (I've already stripped hundreds of welding rods for that) before being sure if that is necessary.  Talk is cheap but material not, I think all here have others things to do also... Keep going, I pray for you success.

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« Reply #719 on: February 19, 2014, 12:24:40 PM »
Hi Forest:

Please hold. Rather than giving step by step instructions, right now,  I will show the proof of the pudding is in the eating by showing the set up live and on video. You can see what is the input voltage and amperage in the primary and what is the output Voltage and amperage going to the step down transformer. Then this issue is solved. 

I hope all will agree that this saves time, effort and money for all. The onus is on me to show the proof. Because replication attempt by all can result in significant costs to each one of you. Why spend it? I can replicate myself and then after you see the proof, you elect to replicate or otherwise at your choice. I think this is fair. Right.

We are now rebuilding the unit.. But give me some time. I can build the step down transformer only after determining the voltage level reached. I need to wind the first unit step by step to reach the 600 to 630 volts level. Last time we just tested a concept and so we did not measure the turns, did not check. This time we will need to test, be precise in measurements and so construction will take a few days.

For those who are interested in doing it on their own any way, the diagram is there and the construction details are in the earlier pages. You do not have perfect number of turns, spaces between turns, whether the air gap is in the core or between the plastic tubes etc. Let us avoid all miscommunication and misunderstanding.

I have claimed that all machines used today are based on the forces of Magnetic repulsion and that there is no machine that currently works  combining the forces of magnetic repulsion and magnetic attraction. No one has opposed that statement. So let me build such a device myself and let me show it online as a video.

If the Unit can output more than the input I think there are hundreds of friends here, well trained people here who can make it self sustain itself. All I need to prove is that the output is higher than the input. Let me do it. Until then please wait.   

I promise that there will be full disclosure after I have filed the PCT application.

 

 

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