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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1623849 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #615 on: February 15, 2014, 07:36:44 PM »
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3. We did not short the secondary. It was kept open. Your assumption is wrong here. That is why we say under no load conditions.
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Please understand that the Ampermeter can only measure current when it is inserted into a circuit:  the meter makes a closed circuit in the secondary coil, otherwise there is no any current could flow when the secondary were an open circuit.  This is why I mentioned the inner resistance of an Ampermeter, it is small enough to be nearly equal to a short circuit effect.

Anyway, I am looking forward to your new tests.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #616 on: February 15, 2014, 07:45:19 PM »
Hi:

Double the voltage and amperage would be quadrupled is the dictum on secondaries I think.

For 250 volts we had 2 amps of useful power. No doubt on that.

Make the voltage 500 volts and the amps become 16 amps.

Make the voltage 630 volts and the amps become 20.16 amps..So I think we kind of recorded properly. But let me check by testing.

My intention was to tell others what I have done and what we saw and what we can to help the community to move forward in this device. If that is done to a little extent today, my purpose is served. Please note that I spend my own money, I'm not a rich person and I have my troubles and so I may take 2 or 3 weeks to come back to report the results. I cannot keep posting like this. Today I had to post 21 posts here and I cannot do like this.. I'm sorry for not answering any questions until next week.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #617 on: February 15, 2014, 07:56:28 PM »
Hi:

Double the voltage and amperage would be quadrupled is the dictum on secondaries I think.

For 250 volts we had 2 amps of useful power. No doubt on that.

Make the voltage 500 volts and the amps become 16 amps.

Make the voltage 630 volts and the amps become 20.16 amps..So I think we kind of recorded properly. But let me check by testing.
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I keep my finger crossed that what you say above would be correct for the Figuera transformer.  Because for normal transformers it is not true, unfortunately.

I am trying to help also and weed out misconceptions or bad measurement results.  I hope you will be successful in replication and take your time, no need to sit here and always answer.  Just take it easy.

Greetings,  Gyula

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #618 on: February 15, 2014, 08:11:10 PM »
Hi Gyula:

Many thanks for the kind words. What I'm not able to understand is the one simple thing all of your highly skilled people have forgotten.

A normal transformer works on the principle of magnetic induction between identical or same charges. Lenz law applies here. This normal transformer changes voltage in to lower or higher voltage. Power being constant the ampere value changes. This is subject to the forces of magnetic repulsion.

In Figuera design you have a difference. The middle section is where the forces of magnetic attraction alone are present. The charge here is the opposite charge. As the electricity of lower voltage and higher amps in the secondary in the primary No 1 reaches one of the poles it moves without resistance and using magnetic attraction to the opposite pole of primary No.2. Here you have both voltage and amperage to build up. This built up amperage voltage is what separates Figuera design from other transformers. There are seven such modules in his design to increase the power. This is because he gave a lower voltage input and it needed to increase to the 550 volts output reported.

At 550 volts Figuera was reported to get about 16000 watts of power. So it was around the 28 amps range. That essentially means that he used the modular approach to keep building the power from one module to the next module.

I'm not able to understand why all of you people ignore the power of magnetic attraction between opposite poles present in this design and in the design of Alfread Hubbard.

Thanks again for your kind words of encouragement. This is not a normal transformer. The amplifying center core is not present in other transformers and the double primaries whose opposite poles face each other is also not present in normal transformers. Let me do the tests and report to you all. Thank you so much for your very kind words..


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« Reply #619 on: February 15, 2014, 08:26:23 PM »
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I'm not able to understand why all of you people ignore the power of magnetic attraction between opposite poles present in this design and in the design of Alfread Hubbard.
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Dear NRamaswami,

I may cause you disappointment but I myself have not dig deeply into the Hubbard or the Figuera setups because of lack of correct details, and I do not  have much money either to build and test most such setups, sorry.

I 'dared' to share my views on your measurements because it does not depend on whether I have built the Figuera setup or not: this setup (or the Hubbard one) is a black box: it has an input and an output and you have to perform and apply correct measurement methods for both.  I have experience from my earlier job so I 'dare' to comment I see fit.

Regards,  Gyula

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« Reply #620 on: February 15, 2014, 08:40:46 PM »
No disappointments really and I appreciate your kind words very much. I can see that you want the measurement to be perfect and that is perectly desirable and understandable.

Thanks to the efforts of Hanon we have the old spanish patents and I have translated them. Even before that we have ignored whatever is stated in textbooks and went by our experimental results. For example the High voltage is needed to induce a high induced emf is never stated in any book. We needed to test that and understand that. Prior to that we used to give 12 volts and 16 amps current from a step down transformer without any success in generating power in the secondary. It was all a slow learning curve. If we look at the magnetic field stength of a magnet it only talks about ampere turns. Strangely a weak magnet produces better output in secondary and a strong magnet does not do that. We found this minimum 20:1 voltage:amperage combination by experiments.

I apologize for any miscommunication on my part. I thank you very much for your very kind words and cautious approach in using the right technique and measuring instruments for measurements.

Regarding Hubbard, it still remains mysterious to me. He is reported to have used mimimum number of layers which may not be true. But the output is very high amperage and lower voltage when it was given to load and so a higher voltage must be present at no load conditions. But that is still not resolved by me. I can understand the Figuera concept clearly and am reasonably confident that I can come up with working results.

I remain grateful and I remain obliged.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #621 on: February 15, 2014, 09:25:02 PM »
NRamaswami


Reading all your comments makes me feel like Alice in Wonderland, so extraordinary it is.Imho Figuera invented somethind which perpetuate in history for a long time. Hubbard device should be the same , maybe without iron core powered by Tesla coil ?
I feel that the mystery maybe about the way magnetic induction is used , did you allow magnetic field collapse to zero or maintain it constantly above zero strength when changing ?


Good luck and please keep going !

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« Reply #622 on: February 15, 2014, 10:25:48 PM »
Hi Forest..

Thanks for the kind words..

regarding the fact whether the magnetic field was collapsing or not, How do I know? I do not know..All I know is this..

If the magnetic field strength of both the coils is the same we get the best results..If one primary is weaker than the other the results are not useful at all. Both of them must be of equal strength.

I determined the magnetic field strength by the number of turns of the primary and kept both of them constant. Since the input is AC and is coming from the same source, there was no need for the rotary device and since the current moved from NS of P1 to NS of P2 there was no need for any resistor array.. I ignored them all. No capacitors were used either. They were simply a waste of input..Only without capacitors and with just wires we got the best results. No complicated circuit nothing. No electronics.. Simply it s massive number of iron rods running to perhaps about 150 kg and a lot of wires and nothing more than that.  All wires wound in the same direction.. That is all is needed to replicate the experiment. You need a lot of turns and a lot of wire. One thing that might have made all this possible is the quadfilar coil as current circulates four times in the first primary before it goes to the second primary. And the middle secondary is of equal length but has a lot more turns than the primary as it is a single wire and has many layers of wires.

Any one can easily replicate the experiment. And see the results. But be extremely careful the voltage and amperage output is high.

Iron used was soft iron rods. Nothing else..

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« Reply #623 on: February 15, 2014, 10:40:39 PM »
By any chance, did you or your mates take any photograps of that setup you had?  OR you still have some 'remains' and could take a photo?

Thanks,  Gyula

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« Reply #624 on: February 15, 2014, 10:57:46 PM »
Oh Yes.. I have all the wires remaining and can take pictures and post right away.. I have removed the quadfilar wire and wound them in to different things and last week we were trying to understand the Hubbard core.. We have succeeded in creating magnetism in all the 8 coils..Just wait..Just took them as they are in my mini lab room in the office and am posting them for you.

The quadfilar coil has been removed to do other experiments. I bought 8 to 12 coils of 4 sq mm wires and we manually fixed them to become as quadfilar coil to cut costs. The one you see on the Hubbard attempt is the only three core cable we have. We have a total of about 1300 meters of wire but that is needed to make one module of Figuera and we would need another 1300 meters to make the second module.

The problem can be solved easily if I make the second module a step down transformer of sorts and then provide the feedback from the second module secondary to the first module primary. But I need to invest time, money, manpower etc and note that all is my personal time and money.

You now have the photos. We can take videos and show the actual results also but it would require another few man days of work and I need to hire people and pay them all. That is a problem and getting the right people to do the work is also a problem..But I will do it any way..

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« Reply #625 on: February 15, 2014, 11:11:19 PM »
Thank you.   And just take your time, do the replication step by step as convenient.

Gyula

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« Reply #626 on: February 15, 2014, 11:29:31 PM »
Hi Gyula:

I hope you are satisfied now that I instantly took the photos of the lab as it exists and posted it for you to recognize that I infact conducted the experiments as claimed. My intention is to put the information in to the public domain so every one can replicate. I have an idea how the self sustaining part of Hubbard worked but in my experiments I have promised on mother Earth that some thing will happen bound to happen and had been disappointed that it did not happen. So I can only do experiments and only after confirmation I can confirm that things happen in the way I have posted. Any one having any doubt that we did or did not do the experiments would now know that we have indeed done the experiments. I'm now aged 51. Let me do my contribution to humanity..That is all I have in my mind..There are to my knowledge at least 4 to 5 different devices that can be used to generate energy as self sustaining energy generators.. I will need to work on others and post them..

I actually got in to this for in India especially in Tamil Nadu where I live due to power shortage lot of families lost employment, lot of businesses closed and I have 1200 clients and am a busy person and even I had to struggle to run the office. I have seven full time employees now and two part time employees and have given appointment to another one. At one point I had 19 employees and those who left me could not get employment for some time. I know the difficulties. I came to Madras the city I live in with just $20 and had struggled in life enormously to reach this level and so when I see people losing employment for lack of power, I understand their problem. It is only then last year i decided to look in to what is power generation and how it can be improved and I have filed a few patent applications as well.

So there is no deception here. Whatever I reported is a fact and if I do not know something I would say so and would be happy to learn and happy to be corrected and guided as well. I remain obliged. I hope you are now satisfied.

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« Reply #627 on: February 15, 2014, 11:38:03 PM »
Hi NRamaswami,

I did not ask for photos because I did not believe you , I simply hoped to understand the modified Figuera setup much better from seeing an actual implementation, than by reading the texts.  You surely know the saying: a photo worths a thousand words. That is all.   

Gyula

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« Reply #628 on: February 15, 2014, 11:48:54 PM »
The modified implementation of figuera has been taken down by us now. But we can reconstruct it and show the results without any problem.

We removed all that for the Electrician who worked with me on that project passed away three months back. Then others did not want to work on that project. So I asked them to remove them all and kind of cleaned out the room. Then we tried to do Hubbard. Failed in getting magnetism in four of the 8 coils. Now we have succeeded but the second four have lower magnetism than the first four coils. I think I have understood how to fix it but only experiment will tell.

I will rebuild the cores again and show the results. So you can even direct me to take the measurements and check online webcast through skype what we are doing and guide us as well. That is also no problem. We are quite open. And I only report facts.

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« Reply #629 on: February 16, 2014, 12:24:30 AM »
Hallo NRamaswami,
It´s very nice from you to post your results and you’re your experiments, Thank you!

As I could read, did you used the same arrangement as I posted some pages before?
2 identical Electromagnets (red & blue) and the third in between as sandwich?

I have the same opinion about giving the thing to the people everywhere in the globe.

Best regards,
NMS

 

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