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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #495 on: January 17, 2014, 02:52:38 PM »
The reason why the power output is increased by just adding turns to the secondary is because there is no relation between the input and output currents, that is, there is no effects of the Lenz's law.
In standards transformers, adding turns to the secondary coil would decrease the output current to maintain the current ratio of these transformers. And, if the secondary current is increased, so will the primary. This is no the case for the Figuera's devices.
Noted.
 Also at the time the fashion was for high turns secondary. It was an accepted fact because  the interrupter was a common feature of most coils. Sometimes the interrupter is not even mentioned, and I was wondering about Figuera in that light.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #496 on: January 17, 2014, 05:52:51 PM »
Noted.
 Also at the time the fashion was for high turns secondary. It was an accepted fact because  the interrupter was a common feature of most coils. Sometimes the interrupter is not even mentioned, and I was wondering about Figuera in that light.
Hi,

Which interrupter? Could you clarify that idea? A picture or link will be nice to see it

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #497 on: January 17, 2014, 06:13:30 PM »
Interrupter is a make/break switch (usually electromagnetic) designed for DC transformer
operation. Think how an old electric bell works. So it is effectively a RADIANT ENERGY DEVICE!!!!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #497 on: January 17, 2014, 06:13:30 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #498 on: January 19, 2014, 09:03:39 PM »
Bajac
  In order for the device to be able to function at some point without adding more current from the batteries or source there has to be a method to loop the current from the load back into the inducer coils and in doing so there will be less of it after the load has consumed what it needs. The potential will be lower between the load and the return path compared to the leading direction of current to the load.Potential drops,higher in the beginning lower at the end. Which is hard for anyone to argue regardless of type of current dc or ac.
   The inducers manifest a magnetic field between which the induced will reside.
 The circuit of the induced does not show a wire connection back to the source or to the inducers.Unless I am mistaken.
    So the magnetic field must be conserved once established by movement of the field within the core/s and regenerative even after load consumption.You can refer to magnetic reminence in a self exiting generator where the left over magnetic field is used to increase the rotor field strength on the start up of the gen. The field in rotation is induced into the stator the current from there is used to further power up the rotor enough to hold a stable output.
  The strength of the field produced by the inducers must be greater then the field in the consuming circuit. Adding more turns to a conductor (mag wire) increases resistance with length of wire being longer in order for it to make more turns. Unless,,,,, you use more conductors and combine them only on the ends there by increasing the turns without increasing the resistance. With a little creativity of compounding some of the conductors some of the current used to establish the field by the source may be stored within the core to produce the same effect as a rectifier.Instead of blocking current it would be blocking the propagation of the magnetic field reflected back from the induced circuit and forcing it to re enter the coil/s in the same direction as the source would to complete the loop magnetically.
 As to turns count ,before the holidays I had come up with 2008 T per inducer with 56 strands 200.66 ft of wire for my use.Keeping conductor length at that which has very little resistance per strand. The resistors are supposed to handle the steering of the currents into the inducers with out wasting power. If the path to one of the inducers is an easier path then through the resisters it will follow to the inducer intended.They to will have to be compared to and match the load circuit and resistance of it in terms of reluctance set up in the induced coil to prevent the induced coil from dominating the inducers. For the purpose of testing, lights would work well as resisters with varied sizes and wattage's. The object being no lights should actually light up if the current is going mostly to one of the desired inducers avioding the path of resistance. If a light or number of lights were to become lit it would indicate there is too much reluctance against the inducers and the load is too large for size of the electro magnets making up the inducers.
  No you may not have a picture.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #499 on: January 20, 2014, 05:00:05 AM »
yes, you loop the cureent
with pulleys of different sizes
you can not only loop it
but you can multiply it
with sinple pulleys

free energy is so simple
that we have overlooked it

Free energy has been discovered = (this is a Gift from God)
http://free-energy.yolasite.com/
I call this free energy machine a GEM = (God s Electricity Multiplier)

This Christian Warrior was shown this Miracle by the God of our Holy Bible
-   from The God of the Bible = (Father +Jesus +Holy Spirit)

When you take a careful look at this technology
-   It seems obvious (the more generators you add, the greater the multiplication factor)
-   -   You put power into a motor with a large pulley
-   -   -   Which you only have to turn the one single turn (very little energy)

Then you take power out of the one to a hundred small pulleys with generators
-   That you attach to the same belt
-   -   Each generator rotates tens to hundreds of times faster
-   -   -   Each rotation gives you electricity (lots of energy)
-   -   -   -   It is truly that simple

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #500 on: January 20, 2014, 11:26:04 PM »
lol Im scared of belts and pulleys they have not done well for automotive alternator except to keep the engine business alive.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #501 on: January 21, 2014, 05:54:15 AM »
Hi,

Which interrupter? Could you clarify that idea? A picture or link will be nice to see it

Regards

hi...    hanon
more about   interrupter    google    "  ruhmkorff coil " . 


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #502 on: January 22, 2014, 04:55:48 AM »
I have performed two changes:
First, I replace the 300T coil with an 800T. And,
Second (the most important) is the replacement of the 0.6 mm air gap spacers with 0.1 mm. The performance improved dramatically. I have the primary and secondary iron cores practically touching each other but there is not electrical continuity (isolated) for very small air gaps.
I am sure that there is a way of adjusting the reluctances of the air gaps. For example, the standard transformers have the ‘E’ and ‘I’ electrically isolated but the reluctance of the magnetic path is made very low by overlapping the ‘E’ and the ’I’. What I want to say is that the reluctance of the air gaps can be adjusted lower by partially overlapping the ‘C’ and the ‘I’ of the Figuera’s devices. The electrical isolation should be maintained to get the required air gap reluctances. By doing the latter, it might be possible to use secondary coils with lower number of turns and high current output. I have this task as an item in my “to do” list.
I am still using the step driver, which is not good because it behaves as a current source instead of a voltage. I am in the process of replacing the driver for a more suitable power supply.
 
Look at the tables of the attached document showing the open and short tests results for the 400T and 600T primary taps.
The output power calculated above is based on a Thevenin circuit. The power output is the power absorbed by the internal resistance. As a conservative value, assume 30% error to account for measurement issues.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #503 on: January 22, 2014, 03:11:52 PM »
Do not feel disappointed if you do not see huge power gains (KW). This is a device with a technology that we have just started to experiment with. It will take some time to get the feeling for its design and extra its full potential.


According to the news, Mr. Figuera was able to make very powerful MEGs. And, I am confident that we will be able to replicate his apparatus.


Being an engineer and having more than 30 years of experience in the field, this moment is a turning point in my professional life. I would have never expected to see a device that can output more than what is being input. At least, that what is taught at all engineering schools.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #504 on: January 22, 2014, 03:36:59 PM »
Please, note how the results from tests #11 and #12 do not practically change. This is because of the step driver saturation. When using the 600T and 750T taps, the step driver cannot increase the voltage any further to maintain a current preset (Ipeak). The voltage limit for this step driver is 50 Volts.

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« Reply #505 on: January 22, 2014, 03:51:13 PM »
Do not feel disappointed if you do not see huge power gains (KW). This is a device with a technology that we have just started to experiment with. It will take some time to get the feeling for its design and extra its full potential.


According to the news, Mr. Figuera was able to make very powerful MEGs. And, I am confident that we will be able to replicate his apparatus.


Being an engineer and having more than 30 years of experience in the field, this moment is a turning point in my professional life. I would have never expected to see a device that can output more than what is being input. At least, that what is taught at all engineering schools.


Am I reading your results correctly?


Cop between 200 and 300%?

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« Reply #506 on: January 22, 2014, 04:46:33 PM »
Remember that the 300% power is dissipated in the internal resistance of the secondary coil. It does not mean that I am getting 300% power output being fed to a load (utilization). Nevertheless, it is a clear indication that the Figuera's device is a potential overunity apparatus. Performing such a test on standard transformers would have never shown overunity.


The following link shows a picture of the 800 turns secondary coil and the 0.1 mm (paper thin) air gap spacers: https://imageshack.com/i/1qahf0j


My experience so far indicates that a fundamental criterion for building this device is the reluctance of the air gaps. Minimizing the reluctance of the air gaps (without eliminating it) is the key. That might be the reason why Figuera stated in his patent that the air gaps can be made small. He considered the role of the reluctance of the air gaps important enough as to be mentioned in his patent.

The next important step is to overlap a little bit the primary and secondary iron cores to decrease the reluctance of the air gaps, even more.

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« Reply #507 on: January 22, 2014, 05:02:21 PM »
I believe Mr Figuera stated that a small part of the output can be used as input.
That would settle the debate once and for all.
No need for measurements to prove the  point if that can be achieved.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #508 on: January 23, 2014, 12:32:56 AM »
Bajac, i was wondering if you could outline how you calculated the output power. The figures show you seem to be multiplying the open circuit voltage with the short circuit current and no mention of phase difference.

The way I figure it and the way I believe it is meant to be done is that if the voltage is zero on short circuit then you simply multiply the current by itself.

So then say we take the first measurement in the list I took from your PDF then we multiply the 0.463 x 0.463 we get a result of . 0.215 Watts dissipated. There is no phase difference to consider as there is no voltage. To get the power of a point in time we need to use both figures from the same point in time, the voltage must be measured at the same time as the current (when loaded).

When a battery is used the voltage of the battery is usually fairly stable. But an output coil can have significant voltage drop, which must be considered.

I would suggest using a 10 or 100 Ohm resistor so that a voltage can be measured along with the current and a phase difference is then able to be measured and the real power dissipated calculated.

AC Source:
W = V x A x PF

Example.

So if we measure say 10 volts across a 100 ohm resistor and the phase difference is 45 degree we calculate the power factor by the multiplying the phase angle by cosine, so if the phase difference is 45 degrees then if you plug into a calculator 45 then hit the cosine button the result is 0.70 which is the power factor.

So in my example above, then we multiply the volts by the amps, the amps is 10 volts divided by 100 Ohms or 0.1 amps, the voltage is 10 volts.

So the power in my example is 10 x 0.1 x 0.7 = 0.7 Watts.

Cheers

 

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« Reply #509 on: January 23, 2014, 12:39:45 AM »

Because of the importance of minimizing the reluctance of the air gaps, I have given a lot of thoughts lately. I have said before that a big iron core should not make a big difference because the reluctance of the air gap is thousand of times larger than the reluctance of the iron core. Well, that might not be all true. At that time, I did not think of the reduction of the air gap reluctance due to an increase  of the cross sectional area of the iron core.


To prove the above, I will make the next section having an iron core with bigger cross sectional area.

 

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