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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1638813 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #360 on: October 08, 2013, 07:15:50 AM »
Hi all

I'm just an old electronics technician. With old ideas. And I don't consider myself very smart to answer a few questions for sure. But I think the image of the post http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg372131/#msg372131 shows what I think about the subject.
Unfortunately I can't express myself very well in English, I'm trying, but I don't know if I'm to get ...

I don't think Mr. Figuera had exotic ideas in mind when he conceived the machine.
If we think simple, perhaps, get good results too.

I'm making new experiences, when possible, I show you here to discuss.
Cheers
pic's by Wikipédia resonance page

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #361 on: October 08, 2013, 10:23:31 AM »
Schiko


Would you be so nice to  help me and in reality all of us to solve some mystery related to what Figuera knew ? It require simple experiment but with tools I can't afford or borrow  :(  : good digital scope with power integrating/computing a signal generator and a ferrite core transformer custom made probably (ferrite because it has to have stable inductance), luxmeter.
First let me describe context : everybody knows that by placing a bulb in resonant tank circuit (a bulb with stable resistance, preheated for example) will allow to light it to the same light intensity consuming less power from source.


The question is simple : can we do that placing tank circuit on primary of transformer while bulb is connected to secondary ?
YES/NO - has to be experimentally proved !

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #362 on: October 08, 2013, 12:58:24 PM »

The F-machine resembles >>Thane C. Heins bi-toroid transformer<<, http://www.overunity.com/7833/thane-heins-bi-toroid-transformer/30/#.UlPhthCE7z0 or just use google for more info.

The other link shows an article of Hartiberlin (Stefan Hartmann), the owner of this forum. It's more than easy to get him for an answer of concerns regarded here.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #363 on: October 08, 2013, 07:47:12 PM »
The F-machine resembles >>Thane C. Heins bi-toroid transformer<<, http://www.overunity.com/7833/thane-heins-bi-toroid-transformer/30/#.UlPhthCE7z0 or just use google for more info.

The other link shows an article of Hartiberlin (Stefan Hartmann), the owner of this forum. It's more than easy to get him for an answer of concerns regarded here.

Thane Heins transformer is based on a different concept than the F-machine. Thane Heins try to redirect the induced magnetic flow along the path with lower reluctance but he does not use any air gap. On the other hand, the F-machine is based on compensatig both induced field flowing in opposite direction into a closed magnetic circuit (toroid), and it needs and air gap between the inducer coil and the toroid.   My question is:

Could be right to try to compensate opposite induced fields in the 1902 patent?
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #364 on: October 08, 2013, 07:50:28 PM »
Would you be so nice to  help me and in reality all of us to solve some mystery related to what Figuera knew ? It require simple experiment but with tools I can't afford or borrow  :(  : good digital scope with power integrating/computing a signal generator and a ferrite core transformer custom made probably (ferrite because it has to have stable inductance), luxmeter.
First let me describe context : everybody knows that by placing a bulb in resonant tank circuit (a bulb with stable resistance, preheated for example) will allow to light it to the same light intensity consuming less power from source.
The question is simple : can we do that placing tank circuit on primary of transformer while bulb is connected to secondary ?
YES/NO - has to be experimentally proved !
Firstly, for me, the ultimate test for any device "OU" is: energize the lamp and auto running at the same time.
Sophisticated tests do not interest me, because I do not have such equipment of tests. So...
This is for you to understand my "line of thinking".

As for the third video Transverter, explanation is very convincing in theory I think possible.
But see, this would be an attempt to solve my problem in high frequency setup.
But the control of the switches is very sophisticated for me.
In moment, I decided to go back the origins, after advice from bajac, and see where I failed.
Thinking of Figuera device as a "simple generator" is easy to see the current gain, but the gain in voltage happens in scale, better saying, associating multiple sets of coils to allow the gain in voltage.
For me, it's going to be difficulty build coil tuned in 120 Hz, central frequency of machine for 60 Hz on the way out, I think that's where I failed.
But i keep trying, HF and LF setup, let's see what happens.

Cheers

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #365 on: October 09, 2013, 01:17:23 PM »
The 08 pat does not support the idea of flux redirection nor does the design of the device. There would be too much leakage of flux for it to be effective. Sharp turns just don't cut the mustard. If there were any critical effects of sending the flux around the outside frame it would have been round with no edges or corners.A wire core or flat material wrapped in a circle would have been the depiction in that time period.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #366 on: October 09, 2013, 09:45:52 PM »
The 08 pat does not support the idea of flux redirection nor does the design of the device. There would be too much leakage of flux for it to be effective. Sharp turns just don't cut the mustard. If there were any critical effects of sending the flux around the outside frame it would have been round with no edges or corners.A wire core or flat material wrapped in a circle would have been the depiction in that time period.

Which patent are you referring as "the 08 patent? The patent from 1908, or the patent No. 30378? In any of both cases the drawing it is just an sketch. Also in both patents is written that the drawing is just to understand the concept but different configurations may be implemented under the same concept.

About patent 30378, the close external magnetic circuit which surround all the electromagnets must have the objetive of keeping the magnetic flux into it as in any other generator. What else if not? .  I won´t take as an important feature the detail that the drawing has sharp edges.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #367 on: October 21, 2013, 01:27:32 AM »
Hi all,

Please check some very interesting posts about Figuera´s generator in the forum at EnergeticForum done in these last days

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12439-re-inventing-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-19.html

Please post your comments about the proposal discussed in that forum.

Regards

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #368 on: October 21, 2013, 01:48:44 PM »
Still not done getting all the reference materials together to support my explanation.I think I will stick with this forum though nothing personal. An effective machine will take a lot of material mass to be large enough to use for primary power supply. I already figured out how large a generator in a IC form I would need to replace the grid would have to equal a 59hp gen to safely cover peak usage safely with out over straining. Need to learn an entirely new math as well and replicate some of the old 1800's test equipment. Today I am helping someone replace their plumbing and going over my own heating system.Cold weather is moving in fast.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #369 on: October 26, 2013, 05:25:07 AM »
Hanon:cheers:  This just for you and everyone. I know you have a hard time deciphering the Clemente Figuera's Egg of Columbus.

I have attached a schematic below, this should be wound on a annular ring/ferrite toroid for better performance.:blowout:

L1,L2,L3,L4 is the starting of the winding of this 4 coils on the toroid,the winding start is CW facing to side of toroid the winding should be going inside to your chest- like the winding is coming from below hole of toroid to exit on top hole of the toroid going inside to your chest.

On the schematic you will see that the 4 wound coils is group in two pairs. L1 and L2- The start of L2=CW is connected to the end winding of L1=CCW.

 You will understand Tesla's way of winding is simple, its only a persons mind that made it difficult to understand Tesla. I already told people here that Tesla intended to leave this patents and illustration for all(average minded) people.

L3 and L4- The start of L3=CW is connected to the end winding of L4=CCW.

Simple as that. All four wound coils should start with CW. About the magnetic field and magnetic flow you only need a compass and voltage supply test experiment.

The Two Primaries function like a flip flop, when the L1 and L2 is ON-Maximum Field on Generator, the L3 and L4 is OFF- Neutral Field on Generator. When L3 and L4 is ON, L1 and L2 is OFF. The secondary are all wound starting CW, its a matter of choice how you connect the Secondary like series or parallel.:thinking:

 This machine is powered with 2 Phase Alternating Current- which is actually a DC Magneto Generator Tesla converted to perform on AC with the used of genius Commutator design. That is the reason people for 135 years dont take interest on such beautiful design, for they dont know what is the lacking key to such beast. The patent:confused:  will be hard to decipher if no one will guide you how to understand such beast machine. I have already given to you the simplest path to such beast machine:eek: . You can build it like a size:D  of your home. LOL:rofl:

Once you understand this Egg of Columbus you will understand all patents of Clemente Figuera in a simplest form, You will also find which is lacking and the real operation and function of such machine. Clemente Figuera drawed the illustration on a different ways for confusion.:v-peace:

Dont forget to take credit for Nikola Tesla:hug: . This winding configuration is the same with the Tesla Bifilar Pancake when you deeply understand this winding configuration.:notworthy:

@Everyone :notworthy:  you can design a simple Flip Flop/4017 + H Bridge just for testing for all to replicate this machine.

The patent below is the same on the schematic . Figure 2 and Figure 3.
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,413-electrical-distribution

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« Reply #370 on: October 26, 2013, 07:38:22 AM »
The key is already been given to us long time ago. Tesla  called this Rotating Magnetic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer/Converter=Electro Dynamic Induction Machine.Tesla had use cleverly the Law of Induction Machine on his Motors/Converters/Transformer.
Tesla called this device on a simple term- Egg of Columbus. 

All your confusion will be clear ones you will understand the concept behind this device.I think its time to revive this thread again, I already posted this before but nobody seems to take interest. 

I know exactly the TPU, Barbosa and Leal Device, Tariel Kapanadze Lenzless Converter,Stanley Meyer VIC,Don Smith Toroid Devices,Clemente Figuera, works exactly the same with this principles. 

The Electro Dynamic Induction Machine is wound with 4 coils groups with as 2 sets. Basically we have two Primaries that each primary is wound diametrically opposite with two Coils= 180deg apart on annular ring. 

The power supply could be AC and DC.   

On DC Supply we need a reversing polarity controller on each coil. We will use the 4 Terminal of the two set of coils on DC Supply. We will need a 4 sequence flip flop switching on this to simulate and replicate the action of an Alternating Current.

On AC Supply we need a TWO phase Alternating Current Generator.We will use only 3 Terminal of the two set of coils, they share common Ground on the 3rd Terminal/Post.

Operation. Lets say: COIL A and COIL B. Lets device this on a 4 quarter cycle.

1. 1st quarter cycle. COIL A(the LEFT-[Positive] AND RIGHT-[Negative] wound coil) is now on maximum magnetic strength, energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90 Degrees. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will point 12 O'clock.

2. 2nd quarter cycle. COL B(The TOP-[Positive] and Bottom-[Negative] wound coil) is now powered by the 2nd phase/lines of supply=flip flop. Is now on maximum magnetic strength while the COIL A is minimum magnetic field.Energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90degrees. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will move to point 3 O'Clock.

3. 3rd quarter cycle. COIL A(LEFT-[Negative] and RIGHT-[Positive] is again maximum magnetic strength but in reverse polarity.Energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90 degrees. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will point 6 O'clock. COIL B on this quarter is minimum strength which means OFF.

4. 4th quarter cycle. COIL B(TOP-[Negative] and BOTTOM-[Positive] is again on its maximum magnetic strength but in reverse polarity. Energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90Degress. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will point 9 O'clock. And lastly repeat the 1st quarter cycle to fully turn or move the magnetic rotation of the Magnetic Compass(Pointer).

I already wanted to reach this to you before. But no one is interested until a man name machinealive had interest on the Rotating Magnetic Field/Rotating Transformer.He is the one you should thank  for he encourage me to post this on this thread. I already give you everything which some has keep as secret. But there is no such thing as new on their invention, the new to this people is using their common sense. There is another form of operation this device that I am still looking for I have not perfectly deduce the magnetic field interactions/magnetic field of lines. Post you opinion and suggestion with pictures is much better.

This device when properly understood is somewhat you guys call the LENZLESS Generator. Don't limit yourself with using only 1 coil windings. Imagination is your limit.I think I have now clear all your confusion.

Background of this Concept.

Read all if you wanted to understand it very much.Please focus on Transformer illustration and drawings. Remember it is powered with TWO Phase Alternating Current Generator. The Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla is the same with this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Converter. Some times you can see 4 sets of wire powering this Motor or Converter. You can also see 3 wires with common ground of the two phase alternating generator.

Tesla Patent 381,968 - Electro-Magnetic Motor

Tesla Patent 382,280 - Electrical Transmission of Power

Tesla Patent 390,413 - System of Electrical Distribution

Tesla Patent 382,282 - Method of Converting and Distributing Electric Currents

Tesla Patent 381,970 - System of Electrical Distribution

Tesla Patent 390,414 - Dynamo-Electric Machine



Meow ;D ;D ;D :o 8)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #371 on: October 26, 2013, 08:26:58 AM »
The key is already been given to us long time ago. Tesla  called this Rotating Magnetic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer/Converter=Electro Dynamic Induction Machine.Tesla had use cleverly the Law of Induction Machine on his Motors/Converters/Transformer.
Tesla called this device on a simple term- Egg of Columbus. 

All your confusion will be clear ones you will understand the concept behind this device.I think its time to revive this thread again, I already posted this before but nobody seems to take interest. 

I know exactly the TPU, Barbosa and Leal Device, Tariel Kapanadze Lenzless Converter,Stanley Meyer VIC,Don Smith Toroid Devices,Clemente Figuera, works exactly the same with this principles. 

The Electro Dynamic Induction Machine is wound with 4 coils groups with as 2 sets. Basically we have two Primaries that each primary is wound diametrically opposite with two Coils= 180deg apart on annular ring. 

The power supply could be AC and DC.   

On DC Supply we need a reversing polarity controller on each coil. We will use the 4 Terminal of the two set of coils on DC Supply. We will need a 4 sequence flip flop switching on this to simulate and replicate the action of an Alternating Current.

On AC Supply we need a TWO phase Alternating Current Generator.We will use only 3 Terminal of the two set of coils, they share common Ground on the 3rd Terminal/Post.

Operation. Lets say: COIL A and COIL B. Lets device this on a 4 quarter cycle.

1. 1st quarter cycle. COIL A(the LEFT-[Positive] AND RIGHT-[Negative] wound coil) is now on maximum magnetic strength, energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90 Degrees. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will point 12 O'clock.

2. 2nd quarter cycle. COL B(The TOP-[Positive] and Bottom-[Negative] wound coil) is now powered by the 2nd phase/lines of supply=flip flop. Is now on maximum magnetic strength while the COIL A is minimum magnetic field.Energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90degrees. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will move to point 3 O'Clock.

3. 3rd quarter cycle. COIL A(LEFT-[Negative] and RIGHT-[Positive] is again maximum magnetic strength but in reverse polarity.Energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90 degrees. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will point 6 O'clock. COIL B on this quarter is minimum strength which means OFF.

4. 4th quarter cycle. COIL B(TOP-[Negative] and BOTTOM-[Positive] is again on its maximum magnetic strength but in reverse polarity. Energizing the annular ring fixing the magnetic force of lines 90Degress. Now the Magnetic Compass(Pointer) inside the annular ring will point 9 O'clock. And lastly repeat the 1st quarter cycle to fully turn or move the magnetic rotation of the Magnetic Compass(Pointer).

I already wanted to reach this to you before. But no one is interested until a man name machinealive had interest on the Rotating Magnetic Field/Rotating Transformer.He is the one you should thank  for he encourage me to post this on this thread. I already give you everything which some has keep as secret. But there is no such thing as new on their invention, the new to this people is using their common sense. There is another form of operation this device that I am still looking for I have not perfectly deduce the magnetic field interactions/magnetic field of lines. Post you opinion and suggestion with pictures is much better.

This device when properly understood is somewhat you guys call the LENZLESS Generator. Don't limit yourself with using only 1 coil windings. Imagination is your limit.I think I have now clear all your confusion.

Background of this Concept.

Read all if you wanted to understand it very much.Please focus on Transformer illustration and drawings. Remember it is powered with TWO Phase Alternating Current Generator. The Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla is the same with this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Converter. Some times you can see 4 sets of wire powering this Motor or Converter. You can also see 3 wires with common ground of the two phase alternating generator.

Tesla Patent 381,968 - Electro-Magnetic Motor

Tesla Patent 382,280 - Electrical Transmission of Power

Tesla Patent 390,413 - System of Electrical Distribution

Tesla Patent 382,282 - Method of Converting and Distributing Electric Currents

Tesla Patent 381,970 - System of Electrical Distribution

Tesla Patent 390,414 - Dynamo-Electric Machine



Meow ;D ;D ;D :o 8)


Hello Stupify12.
I just want to say 'thank you very much' for sharing your knowledge about Tesla's ideas and inventions.
I read all your posts at OU- and EF- fora[size=78%].[/size] :)


BTW
Maybe you know the answer to the question of Bruce_TPU:
"[size=78%]How do dual rotating magnetic fields help us?  WHY is that important?  Stop guessing at it and study physics involving said current/magnetic fields and you will find the answer."[/size]
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Any idea?


Regards, Bert

Ps. I share your view about the importance of the capacitor (bifilar testla coil beeing capacitor and lenz-less).

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #372 on: October 26, 2013, 10:43:16 AM »

Hello Stupify12.
I just want to say 'thank you very much' for sharing your knowledge about Tesla's ideas and inventions.
I read all your posts at OU- and EF- fora[size=78%].[/size] :)


BTW
Maybe you know the answer to the question of Bruce_TPU:
"[size=78%]How do dual rotating magnetic fields help us?  WHY is that important?  Stop guessing at it and study physics involving said current/magnetic fields and you will find the answer."[/size]
[size=78%]
[/size]
Any idea?


Regards, Bert

Ps. I share your view about the importance of the capacitor (bifilar testla coil beeing capacitor and lenz-less).

 ::)There is another form of operation this device that I am still looking for I have not perfectly deduce the magnetic field interactions/magnetic field of lines. Post you opinion and suggestion with pictures is much better.  ::)

I already found the answer to that question. Build this machine and experiment  from what you understand on its magnetic field and flow. Once you have understand and build have this machine. Everything will be easy for the dual rotating magnetic field. You can make magnetic flow the TWO Magnetic
 
It will be easy for you to understand the dual rotating magnetic field=Helix DNA Waveform Generator=Lenzless Generator the most advance cyclotron a physics could think of.

Everything will follow once you fully understand such beast.The Three Primary TPU is a imperfect design they wanted to force to rotate the Magnetic Field,But Tesla did it naturally on his Rotating Magnetic Field Concept.

Meow ;D ;D ;D :o

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« Reply #373 on: October 26, 2013, 03:21:48 PM »
Hi all,

Please check some very interesting posts about Figuera´s generator in the forum at EnergeticForum done in these last days

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12439-re-inventing-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-19.html

Please post your comments about the proposal discussed in that forum.

Regards

http://www.popsci.com/science/gallery/2011-09/archive-gallery-first-appearances-notable-scientists?image=8

Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, Tesla answered that rotating magnetic fields were dear to his heart. "A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come."

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« Reply #374 on: October 26, 2013, 04:23:35 PM »
The opposite of consumption is conservation. Conservation is not without activity when the act of conservation is self imposed by the activity.
 

 

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