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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334916 times)

gyulasun

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #345 on: October 01, 2013, 07:44:11 PM »
Here is strange question if you can help me ?... If there is transformer having one secondary and two separate primaries each one connected to the separate AC power source what parameters should have those currents to combine into 2 times power output on secondary ?

I suppose the voltage outputs of the two AC sources must be in phase and if the two separate primaries are identical, then the input in-phase voltages would add in the single secondary.  Of course the cross section of the core should be rated for handling the higher output power. 
I also suppose:  you assumed the output voltage amplitudes of the two AC sources are identical too, as are the inner impedances .

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #346 on: October 02, 2013, 10:18:41 PM »
  The waveform did not have peaks as big as those of this photo here. Now I use an H-bridge

Hi Schiko,

Maybe if you have implemented a H-bridge circuit to genereate both signals you could post the schematic. It will very helpful for other users!

In the first posts in this forum Bajac recommended to use a stepper motor controller with microstepping. If you note in the picture below you could get the unphased signals if you can join A+C outputs and B+D outputs from this controller.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #347 on: October 03, 2013, 02:45:12 AM »
Hi Schiko,

Maybe if you have implemented a H-bridge circuit to genereate both signals you could post the schematic. It will very helpful for other users!

HI Hanon
I'll draw the schematic and post here.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #348 on: October 03, 2013, 06:08:11 AM »
Hi all,

I do not know if this will help, I found this while looking for info on H-Bridge, http://www.robotpower.com/downloads/Simple-H-user-manual.pdf . It can be used as single H-Bridge, 2 each half-bridges, or combined 2 half bridges to double Amp's.

When used as H-Bridge or half-bridge, Voltage 6V – 24V (28V absolute max). 25A cont. at 100%, 20A at 70%, 45A 5 second peak

When used combined, 48A cont. at 100%, 38A cont. at 70%, 70A 5 second peak.

I do not know how long this device (Simple-H HV, with fan) will run continusly. I am planning on calling them 3 Oct 13 to get some more info. Will Let you know what they say.

If you look at the manual, What are your thoughts about this?

Bob

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #349 on: October 03, 2013, 07:27:01 AM »
@RMat

Good ... how much ...
For those who already have arduino would be great!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #350 on: October 03, 2013, 02:48:35 PM »
The Simple-H (3V-5V inputs) $49.99, the Simple-H HV (4V-28V inputs) $59.99, and the 12V 50mm Fan with mounting kit $7.00.

You can order them from the website at http://www.robotpower.com/catalog/ . They also have different ones available.

Hope this helps.

Bob

P.S. This info was on the site for the Simple-H :
"The Robot Power Simple-H is a low-cost robust H-bridge circuit suitable for use driving DC motors and other DC loads in the ~25A and 6V-28V range. A wide range of command sources from switches to 555 timer circuits to microcontrollers, BasicStamps and Arduinos may be used to control the Simple-H. The classic "green" Simple-H requires 3V-5V logic level signals on its command inputs.

The Simple-H does not have any on-board logic to interpret R/C, serial, analog voltage or other commands. An external signal source is required to translate command inputs into the switching signals needed to drive the Simple-H power chips. This flexibility allows the Simple-H to be driven from a signal source as simple as a pushbutton or as complex as a microcontroller or BasicStamp. Even a desktop or laptop PC can be used through a parallel port or USB port expander."

Bob

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #351 on: October 03, 2013, 07:16:34 PM »
I talked to a man at Robot Power about the Simple-H HV. He stated that if it were run below 20 Amps, it should run continuously without any problems. He also stated that they have some models that will handle up to 80 Amps, but those are more exspensive.

Hope this is helpful.

Bob

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #352 on: October 05, 2013, 12:21:35 AM »
I know, I know ... thread out  :-X
Nobody has shown so far in Figueira device self running as I do not like spark-gap still trying to adapt the device "Figueira" to something more modern.  ???

Here could be a way...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrDMT6lSeEo   Would anyone agree?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #353 on: October 05, 2013, 04:45:52 AM »
I know, I know ... thread out  :-X
Nobody has shown so far in Figueira device self running as I do not like spark-gap still trying to adapt the device "Figueira" to something more modern.  ???

Here could be a way...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrDMT6lSeEo   Would anyone agree?


Interesting. He use 400 watts ballast. Now, how can we use this power? Motors....?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #354 on: October 05, 2013, 05:58:20 AM »

Interesting. He use 400 watts ballast. Now, how can we use this power? Motors....?

You watched the 3 videos?
part-2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd_3lCG1oiI
part-3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOEdFI1qXCU

Perhaps the 4th video it add a real load.
The idea interested me, my problem is when I loaded the secondary transformer "out of tune" and the power drops this idea maybe help me.
First I want to see self-running, then I think about power.

Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #355 on: October 05, 2013, 09:41:37 PM »
Thats not gonna work ,it's been tried before.
 To get a self runner you have to get more from someplace enough to cover whats consumed to the load and to cover the losses. What is being manipulated differently that a different reaction would happen? A pound of flux is still a pound of flux. The same flux going round the same way as usual from one pole to another around a closed path.Even with two paths the pound of flux is just allowed to loosely travel the two. It does not increase the number of lines or how they are intercepted. The total is still the same but with maybe a chance for more losses.

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Possible Winding for patent No. 30378 (1902)
« Reply #356 on: October 06, 2013, 02:34:21 PM »
Hi all,

I have been thinking about possible winding schemes for patent 30378 (motionless generator, year 1902). I don´t know if I could be right or not, but I have realized a feature which could minimize the Lenz effect over the inducer coils (I think).

The concept is described in the attached picture below. This winding is based on having 2 induced magnetic fields which flow in opposite directions along each inducer coil. If you see the picture, you can note than in each inducer coil there are two induced magnetic fields (one created by that induced coil and one created by the next induced coil). These two induced magnetic field are in oppositon to each other. Therefore the decrease in induced coil strength as consequence of the first induced field is compensated by the increase in that coil strength done by the second magnetic field. Thus, a minimization of the Lenz effect in each inducer coil could be obtained.

Could these proposal be right? Please comment. (Note: Remember that there was another proposal done by Bajac for this patent winding that you can find here: http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/dlattach/attach/125092/  )

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« Last Edit: October 06, 2013, 09:56:02 PM by hanon »

Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #357 on: October 06, 2013, 05:21:33 PM »
Well at least your trying to reduce losses. Thats a good direction. How would you double the flux seen in the induced with out expending more current to do so?Better yet if you could along the way of increasing the flux could cancel the current at maximum operating saturation that would be even better. It would regulate the activivty.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #358 on: October 07, 2013, 04:56:49 PM »
Schiko,

I was also thinking about using "tuned" transformers as almost every coil Tesla used was operating on a "harmonic" or resonate frequency. And apparently, Mr. Figeura and Mr. Tesla, if nothing else, knew each other or at least had knowledge of each other.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #359 on: October 07, 2013, 11:50:43 PM »
Hi all,

About the concept that I referred in my last post to achieve two induced magnetic flows in opposition (which cancel each other) I have found some links where this concept is applied. It is called the "F-machine" or "F-Transformer" and it resembles slightly to the Gramme machine :

http://www.alternativkanalen.com/ph-machine.html

As you could note in the next link this device also needs an air gap to avoid the return of the induced field into the primary coil:

http://en.shram.kiev.ua/top/invention/invention2/2.shtml

I have posted these links here in order to discuss if this concept can be applied to Figuera´s  patents. Please post your comments.

Regards