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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1555630 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #300 on: September 26, 2013, 12:36:35 AM »
Schiko,


I have not finished the H bridge or my set up yet. It will take much longer than what I had expected to build my unit. I am hoping that a member from the forum could complete it soon.


I wanted to ask if someone knows of any dynamo or small motor/generator that can output two AC voltages shifted 90 degrees. If we can get such a unit, it would be very easy to do the input driver. We can use a small VFD driver to control the speed of motor driving the dynamo. For the 1908 device, if you want the output to be 60Hz, the input voltages should be 30Hz.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #301 on: September 26, 2013, 09:38:28 PM »
I put a video showing the electromechanic oscillator operating. To say the true, I did't like it. The brush is the one that is rotating and doing that, the centrifugal forces is holding the brush without touching the commutator, so wave form is more a square than sine as should be.
Solutions for this system
1) increase the spring size
2) modify the the commutator/brush holder, so the commutator will turn


Others solutions:
1) solid state device ( hanon/Shiko)
2) use pure ac 60 HZ
3) modify a small generator and use as VFD to drive it. ( I do have a VFD and I will check generator)


The most important part is the transformer and I do know that. My intentions is modify the transformer in video, creating a small gap...

The transformer connections are based in the Grumage drawings

Cheers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nAeWdqSCTek

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #302 on: September 26, 2013, 11:09:04 PM »
I put a video showing the electromechanic oscillator operating. To say the true, I did't like it. The brush is the one that is rotating and doing that, the centrifugal forces is holding the brush without touching the commutator, so wave form is more a square than sine as should be.
Solutions for this system
1) increase the spring size
2) modify the the commutator/brush holder, so the commutator will turn


Others solutions:
1) solid state device ( hanon/Shiko)
2) use pure ac 60 HZ
3) modify a small generator and use as VFD to drive it. ( I do have a VFD and I will check generator)


The most important part is the transformer and I do know that. My intentions is modify the transformer in video, creating a small gap...

The transformer connections are based in the Grumage drawings

Cheers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nAeWdqSCTek


Something very interesting happened !
As you can see in the movie, the light seems to be half way bright and the voltage that I used was 80 VDC.
As I said, the commutator was not OK, and it wasn't generating sine wave. Was a kind of pulse/square.
After the test, I disconnect the system and I connected 110 AC, at the same point, keeping the the 2 out-side coils in serie as was, and I had nothing in the output. I got some ideas for the next test

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #302 on: September 26, 2013, 11:09:04 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #303 on: September 27, 2013, 12:06:15 AM »

Time ago I saw another patent of a MEG based on air gaps but I can not find it again. If I get to find it I will post it here also. Carlos Subieta Garron literally writes in his patent US3368141: "The assembly will not work as an annular magnet, there should be a small air gap between the core member and the shoe poles" (please note the attached drawing with the air gap !!). Air gaps are used to "re-route" the magnetic field to avoid opposing the inducer coils, thus minimizing the Lenz effect over those coils.


I have been looking for that patent that I saw time ago with an air gap to achieve overunity in MEG. I have found some references. It seems that the "air gap" has a clear function to get a minimization of the Lenz Effect over the inducer coils. Just for the record these are the overunity references to air gaps in transformers:

http://www.overunity.com/4300/a-truly-overunity-transformer-meg/#.UkSESVN5DC0

http://www.overunity.com/11256/curious-ou-transformer-schnelzer-turtur-horvath-marinov-any-replications/#.UkSFc1N5DC0

http://pureenergysystems.com/academy/papers/9600214_Energy_Anomaly_in_Magnetic_Circuits/

http://www.overunity.com/7833/thane-heins-bi-toroid-transformer/msg248924/#msg248924

Flynn patent US6246561: http://www.google.com/patents/US6246561 (see figures 1 to 16)

We should give a greater importance to the air gaps as elements to minimize the Lenz Effect by redirecting the induced magnetic flux along others paths different than the inducer coil.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #304 on: September 27, 2013, 07:34:31 AM »

Something very interesting happened !
As you can see in the movie, the light seems to be half way bright and the voltage that I used was 80 VDC.
As I said, the commutator was not OK, and it wasn't generating sine wave. Was a kind of pulse/square.
After the test, I disconnect the system and I connected 110 AC, at the same point, keeping the the 2 out-side coils in serie as was, and I had nothing in the output. I got some ideas for the next test

@Ariovaldo

Not wanting to disturb your fun but perhaps it was better to use a set collector / brush motor.
Your commutator seems to create great spark, I think there is too much space between contacts, remember Mr. Figuera said...

"a las delgas incrustadas en un cilindro de materia aislante que no se mueve; pero alrededor de él y siempre en contacto con más de una delga gira una escobilla"

Just above of this text he said...

"Para fijar las ideas es conveniente valerse de la figura adjunta que no es más
que un dibujado para entender el funcionamiento de la máquina que se
construya según el principio antes reseñado"


I understood that meant that drawing is just to understand the principle of the machine not to interpret literally.

Use collector as photo 1.
Use resitores all equal and measure with oscilloscope by using a resistive load at the output of the commutador and you have a waveform with this photo 2, the output of Transforming you will measure a sennoide almost perfect.

I know, I know you're having fun!!!  ;)             (uma imagem vale mais que mil palavras)

cheers!!!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #304 on: September 27, 2013, 07:34:31 AM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #305 on: September 27, 2013, 06:30:49 PM »
Schiko,
Please, refer to the post#58 of this thread. In the post, I posted the graphs of the voltages and currents. The waveform should be more triangular like step triangle. But, it is not the same condition when the load is pure resistive than when is an electromagnet. You will need to do a kind of impedance matching between the seven resistors and the coils to get the maximum AC/DC ratio of the input voltages.
Noticed that the air gaps shown in your pictures are too big.
Bajac

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« Reply #306 on: September 27, 2013, 10:21:00 PM »
Schiko,
Please, refer to the post#58 of this thread. In the post, I posted the graphs of the voltages and currents. The waveform should be more triangular like step triangle. But, it is not the same condition when the load is pure resistive than when is an electromagnet. You will need to do a kind of impedance matching between the seven resistors and the coils to get the maximum AC/DC ratio of the input voltages.
Noticed that the air gaps shown in your pictures are too big.
Bajac

Hi bajac

I already thanked you hanon and others for everything they taught us, once again thank you!
I subscribe to the forum (reinventing the wheel) from the beginning and learned all that was said, I think, so do not worry about me I've been through that phase.

I have experienced much the device and was developed over time, but remember, I adopted another path that is: "high frequency between 400Hz and 40KHz",  "regenerate 12V", "with much more power on output that in the input" and "self-run working"...

I'm asking you if you've built your H-bridge because I've finished my, but I don't have many resources to mount the magnetic Assembly like yours, that's why I live bothering you with this question, sorry about that, I would very much like to see a set like your working with H-bridge and see if you can COP>1, in my setup I could only get 4 small transformers, worked fine but not exceed of 100% efficiency.  :-[

I get an almost perfect sine wave output for perhaps the difference from my system to its like I said I can control all parameters of the input signal.
And the pictures posted are old when I started working with this system Figuera 's, these photos are just for show "Ariovaldo" there are other more practical ways to build the magnetic Assembly and that work well within the same principle.
You know in the picture with ferrite core, 12V input and output almost 30V if I don't back off my cores 12V lamp would burn, so...

In fact I think that replicate this patent literally or as many have posted here won't be able to COP>1, this is the "my thinking" and I don't own the truth and I'm here to learn.

"I want to see the snake biting its own tail" auto-run is the word the rest doesn't matter!  8)

cheers!!!
« Last Edit: September 28, 2013, 02:06:48 AM by Schiko »

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« Reply #307 on: September 27, 2013, 10:47:13 PM »
I don't have the material to replicate the patent as I would like too, but I do 2 set transformer core 280 mm to 100 mm and I will play with them. I ordered some 14 AWG magnetic wire that will be here next week.


Have a great weekend.

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« Reply #308 on: September 27, 2013, 11:06:13 PM »
I don't have the material to replicate the patent as I would like too, but I do 2 set transformer core 280 mm to 100 mm and I will play with them. I ordered some 14 AWG magnetic wire that will be here next week.

Nice cores...

Cheers!!!

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« Reply #309 on: September 28, 2013, 01:10:05 AM »
@ Schiko,
I want to congratulate you for your efforts. I think you are in the correct path.
You may ask as many questions as you like. The nice thing about a forum is that you can get different answers and views. That makes it more exciting!!
On the other hand, why do you think the Figuera's device would not work? Did you replicate it? If yes, could you post the device that you did your test?
I cannot say the same. I tested the device and the results were like nothing I had experienced before. I was telling Hanon that the short circuit test soldered the secondary leads together. I had to shutdown the device to cut the leads. I was not able to measure the short circuit current because I did not have an equipment with such a high current range. But amazingly, the primary current did not change, it just measured about 1.3A DC before and after the short circuit condition. During the short circuit condition, the transformer started vibrating and produced a loud Humming sound. I am so disappointed for not following the teachings of that setting. That is why I am rebuilding the tower to match the coil turns of that setting.

@Ariovaldo,
That core looks promising! It has good dimensions for a first trial.


Thanks,
Bajac

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« Reply #310 on: September 28, 2013, 03:02:14 AM »
@ Schiko,
I want to congratulate you for your efforts. I think you are in the correct path.
You may ask as many questions as you like. The nice thing about a forum is that you can get different answers and views. That makes it more exciting!!
On the other hand, why do you think the Figuera's device would not work? Did you replicate it? If yes, could you post the device that you did your test?
I cannot say the same. I tested the device and the results were like nothing I had experienced before. I was telling Hanon that the short circuit test soldered the secondary leads together. I had to shutdown the device to cut the leads. I was not able to measure the short circuit current because I did not have an equipment with such a high current range. But amazingly, the primary current did not change, it just measured about 1.3A DC before and after the short circuit condition. During the short circuit condition, the transformer started vibrating and produced a loud Humming sound. I am so disappointed for not following the teachings of that setting. That is why I am rebuilding the tower to match the coil turns of that setting.

Hi bajac
Thanks for your words.  8)

See, when I say "doesn't work" I mean "not to produce more output than input" However my current device worked fine but didn't hit more than 100% yield.
Unfortunately I have no photo of the first device that did not work, who wants to show device failed.
You can show some really small device running on autorun, that's all I ask so I can cheer me up.  :'(

Your device that you got high current which commutator you used, mechanical or electronic??
I also can get high currents in mine, just depend on the coils that use, but never greater in power output at the imput.  :(

Excuse the writing ... that translator I get crazy he insists on changing the words I want to write, but I'm learning heheheeh

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #311 on: September 28, 2013, 03:58:49 AM »
Bajac

It looks as though some excellent progress is being made here. You say that standard transformers do not have air-gaps, however normally they are built up of laminations.  Although these are primarly to stop eddy currents, do not the small gaps between the laninations, caused by the coating of varnish not add in small air-gap?

Kind regards

John


John,


The lamination is done such that a low magnetic path is formed in the direction of the flux lines. There is no insulation added to the connection between two laminated parts forming a closed magnetic path. But, the insulation is added between two parallel laminated parts configured in a closed path. Because the Eddy currents are induced perpendicular to the path of the flux lines, the insulation between parallel lamination is an efficient way for minimizing these parasitic currents.


The standards transformers are designed to have a minimum core reluctance, and therefore, the goal is to maximize the core permeability. The consequence of the latter is that the core will have the maximum number of magnetic flux lines for a given ampere-turn (NI) of the primary coil. And because the cross-section of the core is just large enough to avoid saturation (at knee part of the saturation curve), the maximum cost/benefit is obtained in terms of KVA to pound ratio. In other words, the design criteria of standards transformers is to maximize the power transferred to the load while keeping the size of the transformer to the smaller possible dimensions (volume). Please, note that the configuration of these transformers will always have an efficiency lower than 100% as explained in the document describing Figuera's 1908 apparatus.


Bajac

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« Reply #312 on: September 28, 2013, 04:30:58 AM »
Hi bajac
Thanks for your words.  8)

See, when I say "doesn't work" I mean "not to produce more output than input" However my current device worked fine but didn't hit more than 100% yield.
Unfortunately I have no photo of the first device that did not work, who wants to show device failed.
You can show some really small device running on autorun, that's all I ask so I can cheer me up.  :'(

Your device that you got high current which commutator you used, mechanical or electronic??
I also can get high currents in mine, just depend on the coils that use, but never greater in power output at the imput.  :(

Excuse the writing ... that translator I get crazy he insists on changing the words I want to write, but I'm learning heheheeh


Schiko,


You seem to be a little disappointed with your experiments. The major mistake you made was not to disclose your setup even if it did not work. You are not the only case. I hear people complaining that they had built the Figuera's apparatus and no results were obtained. When I asked to post photos of the setup, the devices did not really follow Figuera's teachings.


I could tell you that the Figuera's devices do not operate at high frequencies.


A big mistake I made was to dismantle the unit that I showed in post #58 before completing all the tests!!!


Bajac

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« Reply #313 on: September 28, 2013, 06:23:42 AM »
Hi bajac
Disappointed, a little, but I still have hope!  :)
I don't want to create controversy that's enough the discussions at the beginning of the forum, but from the beginning nobody was able to show a single device running on autorun, it seems odd to me because the patent claims that there will be abundant energy in fact I think there's something else on the device built by Mr. Figuera that is not in the patent that it would be very natural and whatever the secret was with him to the Tomb, I'm not affirming anything but that's what I think.  ???

But I didn't give up, since nobody's going to show me a device as is in the patent running on autorun, keep trying in other ways, not following the patente literally and searching for the secrets...  ::)

cheers!!!

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« Reply #314 on: September 28, 2013, 08:52:04 AM »
Hi


Do you have any link to detailed explanation about laminated core ?  I have to understand how it is build, work and how it is produced (the steps involved).

 

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