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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2353947 times)

i_ron

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #225 on: August 23, 2013, 04:46:48 PM »
Quote from: bajac on August 23, 2013, 02:25:12 AM

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The above questions are for brainstorming, only. You do not need to reply because I will not waste more time on this issue.

It looks like you did not understand what I was referring to when I said "replicate Figuera's apparatus".


Bajac



Hi Bajac,


Now the one problem I have with your suggestion is... what to replicate?


You see I build things from a standard drawing which has a plan view, a front view and a side view. The patent drawings are only schematics and convey no useful information. What did the device look like?
How big is it? what shape are the cores? how many turns of what size wire? Then it is said that the coils are at 90 degrees in the 1902 patent but not in the 1908 patent? Then in the latest patent there is a 'bar; show across the three coils... so much confusion and no answers???


Regards,


Ron


"Schematic": schematic diagram represents the elements of a system using abstract, graphic symbols rather than realistic pictures. A schematic usually omits all details that are not relevant to the information the schematic is intended to convey,
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Cadman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #226 on: August 23, 2013, 05:13:15 PM »
Greetings everyone,

I have lurked on this forum on and off for a couple of years and this is the project I seriously believe will work and is within my ability to build. My goal is to build a self running 12VDC high amperage generator to feed a high output inverter to 120VAC.

After studying the 1908 patent and sketches and modeling the commutator on a CAD I understand how it works with one contact brush (+ voltage) and the resistor. It is not complicated at all. The picture of the commutator in the Buforn patent in post #216 by hanon is correct. The commutator ring with the 16 contacts is attached to the resistor taps in 8 places on the upper side of the ring. Those 8 upper contact points are jumped to the lower 8 contact points in the lower half of the ring as shown in the upper left corner of the Buforn drawing. The brush must always be in contact with two adjacent commutator contacts at all times as it rotates around the commutator. If you have ever taken apart an old fashioned automobile generator, just picture the commutator with one wide brush riding on it.

My build is going use the commutator and an old fashioned wound resistor. These may have to be fabricated and may take a while.  My thinking is the methods available in 1908 should be used. Presently I think a small DC motor will be used to rotate the brush. The motor and the supply voltage to the inducing coils will be powered by separate windings in the induced coils after starting.

May I ask a favor? Can anyone point me to information about building or winding high amp DC coils? Maybe in the 10 amp range or higher?

Best Regards
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bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #227 on: August 23, 2013, 06:15:09 PM »
i_ron,
Your are 100% correct! A patent is just a concept, an abstract!! You can implement it by trial and error or by using some engineering expertise.
I will post (in about two weeks) some sketches and information of what I am doing with the corrections based on my experience with this device. It might help you and others.
Bajac
 
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #228 on: August 23, 2013, 10:46:51 PM »
Again : is there anything in patent text about box around the connection point from the commutator to power supply , I spotted ?
Maybe there is a better , bigger  picture of the method of connection here ?


Why ? You should easily guess.... ::)
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i_ron

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #229 on: August 24, 2013, 12:58:13 AM »
Quote from: bajac on August 23, 2013, 06:15:09 PM
i_ron,
Your are 100% correct! A patent is just a concept, an abstract!! You can implement it by trial and error or by using some engineering expertise.
I will post (in about two weeks) some sketches and information of what I am doing with the corrections based on my experience with this device. It might help you and others.
Bajac


That will be great Bajac, I look forward to that.


Thanks, Ron

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hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #230 on: August 24, 2013, 09:27:55 PM »
Quote from: forest on August 23, 2013, 10:46:51 PM
Again : is there anything in patent text about box around the connection point from the commutator to power supply , I spotted ?
Maybe there is a better , bigger  picture of the method of connection here ?


Why ? You should easily guess.... ::)

The connection box has intiged me since I saw it. I domt know what represents and there is no further explanation in the text. It is only mentioned that the current after doing its task in the electromagnets returns to the origin where it was taken..
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #231 on: August 24, 2013, 10:29:45 PM »
Quote from: hanon on August 24, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
The connection box has intiged me since I saw it. I domt know what represents and there is no further explanation in the text. It is only mentioned that the current after doing its task in the electromagnets returns to the origin where it was taken..




you see... origin ? not power supply ???  ::)

better give us the complete translation
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #232 on: August 25, 2013, 01:13:42 AM »
Hi all,

In Reply #199 it was mentioned about 3 phase line reactors on ebay. I just purchased 10 of the transformers for a total price of $173.23. Expensive, but I hope they will work. I should recieve them by 29 Aug 13.

Bob
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bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #233 on: August 25, 2013, 01:40:53 AM »
I also bought 10 line reactors of about 3/4HP. I am still waiting for them. Something to keep in mind is that the line reactors are designed for 3% impedance only. Which means that there are not too many turns in the coils. I had recommended about 300 to 400 turns for the N and S coils. The wire gauge of these electromagnets can be AWG#18. The "y" electromagnets shall not be less than 200 turns and no smaller than AWG#14.


You need to be careful when cutting the iron core. The laminated core should be pressed or sandwiched between two pieces of stiff material to avoid damaging the steel sheets.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #234 on: August 25, 2013, 02:13:21 AM »
bajac,
The ones I bought were RL-00201 reactors, 600V 2Amp. I thought they might need to be rewired, but did not know wire size and turns. Thank you for the information.

Bob
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #235 on: August 25, 2013, 02:52:40 AM »
Hi Ron,

long no see here. How are you ?

Many things are not clear in this patent/concept:

1) are the N-S-cores one U-shaped core or two cores with an airgap at the bottom
2) how long are the output-coils ?  For me this is the most important question because taking into accout the
    shape of the primary voltage  ( see attachment ) at S and N  then my estimation is that at each moment
    during on cycle the overall magnetic flux across the long secondary coil does not change...but the magnetic
    field-density-distribution along secondary-coil is changing at each step. This then means that - if we assume
    a core-material  exists in the secondary coil - that the inductivity at each end of the secondary coil is
    different ( I know it sounds strange ) ... but with one  exeption: if current is equal in both primary coil
   ( midth of the cycle )

So if I visualize the process during on cycle the magnetic field density at at both ends of the secondary might behave like a standing wave ( reflecitve) ...if one side is decreasing the other side is increasing.
In other words we have a local change of magnetic field-desity without an overall change of the inductivity..
a change without Lenz.

Regards

Kator01
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i_ron

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #236 on: August 25, 2013, 05:42:51 PM »
Quote from: Kator01 on August 25, 2013, 02:52:40 AM
Hi Ron,

long no see here. How are you ?

Many things are not clear in this patent/concept:

1) are the N-S-cores one U-shaped core or two cores with an airgap at the bottom
2) how long are the output-coils ?  For me this is the most important question because taking into accout the
    shape of the primary voltage  ( see attachment ) at S and N  then my estimation is that at each moment
    during on cycle the overall magnetic flux across the long secondary coil does not change...but the magnetic
    field-density-distribution along secondary-coil is changing at each step. This then means that - if we assume
    a core-material  exists in the secondary coil - that the inductivity at each end of the secondary coil is
    different ( I know it sounds strange ) ... but with one  exeption: if current is equal in both primary coil
   ( midth of the cycle )

So if I visualize the process during on cycle the magnetic field density at at both ends of the secondary might behave like a standing wave ( reflecitve) ...if one side is decreasing the other side is increasing.
In other words we have a local change of magnetic field-desity without an overall change of the inductivity..
a change without Lenz.

Regards

Kator01


Thanks Kator, I am doing fine, two projects on the go beside this...


But yes, that makes sense, trying to follow this so every bit helps!


What I need is to see (or understand) a working model of the principle...


B R,


Ron
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #237 on: August 26, 2013, 04:58:22 PM »
Quote
a great power can be carried in a very
small space, stating that the secret of his
invention resembles the egg of Columbus
 

I may have discovered the meaning of this!

Using the rotating commutator and tapped resistor from the 1908 patent, if you graph the voltage change of the N S solenoids as the brush rotates through 360 degrees the voltage waves are flattened at the extreme difference of voltages. The volts remain at the maximum for one set of coils and minimum for the other set of coils for close to 70 degrees of rotation, at 0 degrees and 180 degrees. Then the voltage bias begins to switch to the opposite coils. In other words the magnetic bias moves back and forth like a pendulum, pausing at the end of each stroke before reversing. The exact amount of 'dwell' would depend on commutator design and brush width.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #238 on: August 26, 2013, 05:00:22 PM »
Where is the return to the origin in the drawing http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/dlattach/attach/126632/  from page 15? Or the starting power supply conection?
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« Reply #239 on: August 26, 2013, 05:58:23 PM »
Thinking some more, I wonder if magnetic spin is involved.

The molecules of the core(s) become aligned N-S, or S-N when magnetized. Molecules have mass, thus inertia. If the NS inducing coils are oriented with like poles to each other, as the field strength transfers from one set of coils to the other, the molecules in the induced core would flip N for S. then S for N, repeatedly.  Wouldn't they? Having mass and inertia I think they would continue in the same direction of 'spin', thus each molecule would become a tiny spinning magnetic field, spinning faster and faster as the inducing field strengths move back and forth at a greater rate. Bruce_TPU on his TPU thread keeps emphasizing “counter rotating magnetic fields” as a key to power.

Something to think about.

@Doug1
The return to origin and the starting power supply would be the square box (battery / power source) just above the signature.
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