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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1626164 times)

Offline Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #210 on: August 20, 2013, 07:43:29 PM »
Spinning a magnet or anything ells is in the background section of the patent not in the discription of operation for the device being patented. It is his way to explain how generators or dynos work and why, to set up in the text of the discription what makes his different.
 In the discription it states:
The voltage from the total current of the current dynamos is the sum of partial
induced currents born in each one of the turns of the induced. Therefore it
matters little to these induced currents if they were obtained by the turning of
the induced, or by the variation of the magnetic flux that runs through them;
but in the first case, a greater source of mechanical work than obtained
electricity is required, and in the second case, the force necessary to achieve
the variation of flux is so insignificant that it can be derived without any
inconvenience, from the one supplied by the machine."[/font][/size][/font][/size]

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #211 on: August 20, 2013, 09:14:10 PM »
I know Doug, but "spinning" took my attention because it resemble the way I look at magnetic field. I don't know why picture in Figuera patent seems to differs from description, however...

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #212 on: August 21, 2013, 12:10:13 AM »
The way I see it is that Figuera is still referring to the prior arts in the description part of the patent. The prior art being the existing technology of the day, which consisted in generating electricity by using rotating generators. In his patents, Figuera clearly states that his generator does not require moving parts. The small motor shown in the 1908 patent was used to generate the two (90-degree shifted) voltages. It should be noted that the way the these voltages are generated is not part of the inventive concept. It is just an embodiment showing a way for implementing the inventive concept.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #213 on: August 21, 2013, 12:39:35 AM »
TRANSLATION OF KEY PARTS OF BUFORN PATENT No. 57955 (1914) (text extracted from pages 12,13 and 14)


By using a magnetic field, consisting of two series of electromagnets N and S, a resistor and a circumference of contacts isolated from each other .....

...

Note that only the contacts located in the Northerm semicircle are in communication with half of the end sides of each resistor, and the contacts in the South semicircunference are not in communication with the resistor, but respectively with the contacts in the semicircle communicated with half of the end sides of each resistor, and inasmuch as the current moves on the the magnetic field and returns from it  by the input and output sides of the resistor, and as this field is composed of two series of electromagnets N and S , therefore, and as result of the operation of the device when the electromagnets N are full of current, the electromagnets S are empty, and as the current flowing through them is reducing or increasing in intensity according it passes by more or less turns of the resistor, and therefore, in continuous variation;  since we have done a continuous and organized variation we have achieved a constant change in the current which crosses the magnetic field formed by the electromagnets N and S and whose current, after completing their task  in the difrerent electromagnets, returns to the source where it was taken.

...

We have already achieved to produce the continuous and organized change of the intensity of the current which crosses the magnetic field.

 ....

The way to collect this current is so easy that it almost seems excused to explain it, because we will just have to interposed between each pair of electromagnets N and S, which we call inducers,  another electromagnet, which we call induced, properly placed so that either both opposite sides of its core will be into hollows in the corresponding inducers and in contact with their respective cores, or either, being close the induced and inducer and in contact by their poles, but in no case it has to be any communication between the induced wire and the inducer wire.

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Another advantage is that around the core of the induced electromagnets we can put another small size induced electromagnet with equal or greater core length than the large induced one. In these second group of induced an electric current will be produced , as in the first group of induced, and this produced current will be sufficient for the consumption in the continuous excitation of the machine, being completely free all the other current produced by the first induced electromagnets in order to use it in all purposes you want.


http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/buforn47706.jpg


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Original spanish text:

Valiéndose de un campo magnético, compuesto de dos series de electroimanes N y S, de una resistencia y de una circunferencia de contactos aislados uno de otro .....

...

Hay que tener presente que unicamente están en comunicación las delgas de la semicincunferencia Norte con la mitad de los extremos de las partes de la resistencia y las de la semicircunferencia Sur no se comunican con la resistencia, sino respectivamente con las delgas de la semicircunferencia comunicadas con la mitad de los extremos de las espiras de la resistencia y además como quiera que la corriente pasa al campo magnético y vuelve del mismo por los extremos de entrada y salida de la resistencia y como este campo está constituido por dos series de electroimanes N y S, resulta que en virtud de lo expuesto y del funcionamiento del aparato, cuando los electroimanes N están llenos de corriente , los S, están vacíos y como la corriente que los atraviesa va aminorando o aumentando en intensidad según pase por mas o menos espiras de la resistencia, y por tanto en variación continua y puesto que esa función hemos logrado hacerla continua y ordenada habremos conseguido el cambio constante de la intensidad de la corriente que atraviesa el campo magnético formado por los electroimanes N y S y cuya corriente una vez cumplida su misión en los diferentes electroimanes vuelve al origen de  donde se ha tomado.

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Hemos conseguido ya producir el cambio continuo y ordenado de la intensidad de la corriente que atraviesa el campo magnético.
 
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El modo de recoger esta corriente es tan facil que hasta parece excusado explicarlo; pues no tendremos más que intercalar entre cada par de electroimanes N y S, que llamaremos inductores, otro electroimán, que denominaremos inducido, de tal modo debidamente colocado que, o bien los extremos de su núcleo entre en el seno de los correspondientes inductores y en contacto con sus respectivos núcleos o bien aproximados inducido e inductor y en contacto por los polos, pero sin que en ningún caso haya comunicación alguna entre el devanado inducido y el devanado inductor.

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Además se puede aprovechar tambien el seno  de los núcleos de los electroimanes inducidos en los que se puede colocar otro electroimán inducido de reducidas dimensiones y con igual o mayor longitud que el núcleo del inducido grande. En estos segundos inducidos, se producirá corriente eléctrica e industrial al mismo tiempo que en los primeros; y la corriente así producida podrá ser suficiente para el gasto de excitación continua de la máquina, quedando completamente libre toda la otra corriente producida por los primeros inducidos para dedicarla a toda clase de fines que se desee.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #214 on: August 21, 2013, 01:26:27 AM »
Hello hanon,

I do not know what´s wrong but I do not see any graphics at rexresearch since a few months. This might be some failure at some of the german servers. If I specifically open a graphic or pic ( show graphic ) I get the following URL:

http://rexresearch.com/badbotnopage.htm

I looks like rexresearch regards my visit as beeing a bad robot and blocking it. Viewing the text is not affected.

anybody here who has the same experience ?

Regards

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #215 on: August 21, 2013, 03:07:03 AM »
Kator01,

You may want to try this page:
http://www.rexresearch.com/figuera/figuera.htm


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #216 on: August 22, 2013, 01:13:06 PM »
TRANSLATION OF KEY PARTS OF BUFORN PATENT No. 57955 (1914) (text extracted from pages 12,13 and 14)


By using a magnetic field, consisting of two series of electromagnets N and S, a resistor and a circumference of contacts isolated from each other .....
...
Note that only the contacts located in the Northern semicircle are in communication with half of the end sides of each resistor, and the contacts in the Southern semicircunference are not in communication with the resistor...

Why does he call it "Northern semicircle"?  It is curious how Buforn defines that the "Northern semicircle" is in communication with the resistor but not the "southern semicircle", don´t you think so?. Please see the attached picture. It seems that the he places the North in the upper part of the sketch (as usually happens in maps). If so, the electromagnets may be are labelled according to their orientation: N facing North and S facing South ... Just an idea....I really don´t know

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« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 05:22:22 PM by hanon »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #217 on: August 22, 2013, 05:48:14 PM »
well well well I have strong suspicion that we missed the point....






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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #218 on: August 22, 2013, 06:15:34 PM »
Hanon,
The rotary switch shown by Figuera in the 1908 patent is correct when using only a contact. The patent that Buforn submitted requires two contact in opposite directions (at 180 degrees.) Otherwise, a single contact needs to rotates 180 degrees before making connection with the resistors and it will make it difficult to have a make-before-break configuration. I do not trust Buforn's work!
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« Reply #219 on: August 22, 2013, 06:20:41 PM »
Actually, if you refer to the upper left corner of the sketch you can see that Buforn is repeating the contact sequence required for a single switch similar to the 1908 patent. Then, the "Northern semicircle" refers to the upper part of the rotary switch and not to the polarity of the electromagnets. KEEP FOCUS GUYS!!!

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« Reply #220 on: August 22, 2013, 09:22:25 PM »
Hanon,
The rotary switch shown by Figuera in the 1908 patent is correct when using only a contact. The patent that Buforn submitted requires two contact in opposite directions (at 180 degrees.) Otherwise, a single contact needs to rotates 180 degrees before making connection with the resistors and it will make it difficult to have a make-before-break configuration. I do not trust Buforn's work!
Bajac
Hi,
Can you elaborate why in Buforn's patents two contacts are required?

From the documents I have collected in 1907, one year before Figuera's death, Buforn and Figuera were already associated. After Figuera's death the 1908 patent was owned by Buforn. Later he filed 5 patents, which are identical between them, and almost a carbon copy of the 1908 patent (as it can be seen comparing their identical figures.., the resistor, the conmutator, the electromagnets names...all the same. Thus is why I think that we can find some missing details into Buforn's patent and their sketches.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #221 on: August 23, 2013, 12:38:42 AM »
Hanon,


Why do you think that the puzzle has not been solved? This is probably the simplest of all FE devices that I have ever seen. I thought that I had clearly explained the basis of operation for this device. In my opinion the only task left is to build the apparatus.


I have seen persons complaining that the device did not work but when they posted the photos, their setup is not what Figuera taught. They just made short cuts that are not recommended. I keep repeating myself, JUST REPLICATE THE DEVICE AS SHOWN IN THE PATENTS!!! Plain and simple.


Why are we still wasting time with something like looking for the meaning of "N" and "S"? Stop this analysis paralysis until the device has been really replicated.


If the device does not work after its replication, then we can go into the troubleshooting mode. I am kind of disappointed that no one has replicated this simple device (including myself).

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #222 on: August 23, 2013, 01:42:44 AM »
Bajac,  You yourself have in no way replicated the 1908 patent and yet you keep talking. The 1908 patent was for a 20 hp generator and used a mechanical rotating commutator. Your own pictures do not show a rotating commutator or a device anywhere near 20 hp. I await your replication and some test results. The reason people still look for answers is that none of us have solved this puzzle, simple as it may be. 
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« Reply #223 on: August 23, 2013, 02:25:12 AM »
Bajac,  You yourself have in no way replicated the 1908 patent and yet you keep talking. The 1908 patent was for a 20 hp generator and used a mechanical rotating commutator. Your own pictures do not show a rotating commutator or a device anywhere near 20 hp. I await your replication and some test results. The reason people still look for answers is that none of us have solved this puzzle, simple as it may be. 
Garry


Garry,


The important question is: what is the invention? Can you isolate Figuera's inventive concept from the implementation details? For instance, suppose that someone else build the generator using the same configuration of the Figuera's electromagnets as shown in the 1908 patent but instead of using a rotary switch, this person uses a stepper motor driver to generate the two 90 degrees shifted signals. Is this person infringing Figuera's patent if the 1908 claims include the rotary switch? Do you really believe that the rotary switch is part of the inventive concept? I will leave it up to you as a homework but I can give you a hint: refer to the oscilloscope's graphs published by Woopy using a rotary switch and the graphs that I published using an electronic circuit (Arduino controller) to generate the signals.


The above questions are for brainstorming, only. You do not need to reply because I will not waste more time on this issue.


It looks like you did not understand what I was referring to when I said "replicate Figuera's apparatus".


Bajac

PS: I am planning to take a long vacation away from the forum. However, there is more than enough information posted (for you guys) to build this wonderful apparatus.




 

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« Reply #224 on: August 23, 2013, 04:15:24 AM »
Hi all,
We are in this forum to help us each other. Our aim is the same for all of us:to get a working device. Please take it always in mind. The rest is secondary. Do not start having a row for a different point of view.Bajac, we need your unvaluable help and expertise.

As for myself, as you know, I dont have deep knowledge of electricity, but my task here is to spread what it is written in the original spanish patents, to keep this forum alive and to show details to make you think about possibilities. Bajac, I trust your technical report, but I am just discussing some points which are not well defined as the orientation. I am just trying to help, it is good to have different options in case the first attemp fail. I hope to see you around here tomorow. ;), and I agree that we may skip the use of a rotary conmutator.

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