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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1594448 times)

Offline bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #195 on: August 20, 2013, 12:12:57 AM »
RMatt,


Could you be more specific to what embodiments you are referring to?


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #196 on: August 20, 2013, 12:33:56 AM »
Wooohoooo I think we have solved it !  I mean : lasts posts explain everything !

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #197 on: August 20, 2013, 12:48:39 AM »
Hi all,
After a discussion with one of the forum members, I realized that an explanation is in order. The legacy of Mr. Figuera is that he showed us two methods in his 1902 and 1908 patents for mitigating the effects of the Lenz's law. The 1902 method teaches that the influence of the induced magnetic field can be minimized if the inducing and induced coils are placed symmetrically at an angle of 90 degrees. The requirement for symmetry is important because it is condition that balances the magnetic field entering and leaving the inducing coil (interior), and therefore, it helps on cancelling any induced voltage in the inducing coil (interior coil) due to the reaction of the induced coil (exterior coil).
The second method of 1908, on the other hand, consists in pulling the induced magnetic field ("y" electromagnets) away from the inducing electromagnets ("N" and "S" electromagnets) by applying two voltages 90 degrees out of phase. Even though the 1902 method is much simpler to implement, it is my belief that the 1908 method is more efficient. The reason for being more efficient is that the 1908 method does not suffer any decrease in performance as the load increases. However, a performance degradation can be expected of the 1902 method due to some symmetry loss whenever the device is loaded. The interaction of the inducing and induced magnetic fields bends and shifts the resultant magnetic field. It is considered a common event for all electrical machines. For instance, the DC motors use "compensating coils" for minimizing it. And, maybe the same compensating coil concept can be used with the 1902 method. The latter is also the reason why the efficiency of the 1902 device should be tested by incrementing the load gradually from zero up to 100%.
I was able to verify that the currents flowing in the N and S electromagnets are not affected by the load connected to the "y" electromagnets. For example, a while ago I published the data of one of my experiments in which I had 1.3A DC flowing in the N and S electromagnets. The 1.3A did not change even when the "y' electromagnet was short circuited. The experiment was also validated by Woopy in one of the videos he posted in Youtube.
Bajac

Hi,
I guess that maybe Figuera had to redesign his original generator (1902) to skip the censorship after selling his patents to a banker union in 1902. He surely sell the patent and he was under a non-disclosure agreement. That´s why he and his generator disappeared from the public from 1902 to 1908.

Later he noted that the bankers were hiding his discovery and he had to re-design his genrator in order to bring it into the market. I think that he achieved a new design around 1907 or 1908, he maybe tried to delayed his last patent the more he could (note: in the 1908 patent is written that he waited for filing the patent until he got running his generator) . In 1908 he filed his patent and he died few days later. Maybe he was ill so he decided to file the patent before dying as a legacy, as a way to assure some incomes from his discovery and as a way to protect the business he had with Buforn, his associate in those years. I suppose that he was ill because he lived in the same city where it was the patent office and instead of filing the patent by himself and taking it to the office he sent to Constantino de Buforn as his representative. This could be an indication that he was quite ill at that moment, and he couldn´t leave his home to carry the patent to the office. But all of these ideas are just my suppositions.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #197 on: August 20, 2013, 12:48:39 AM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #198 on: August 20, 2013, 01:45:18 AM »
Please can you translate into english again this excerpt as exact and close as possible:


"[size=78%]Si dentro de un campo magnético se hace girar un circuito cerrado, colocado [/size]
perpendicularmente a las líneas de fuerza, en dicho circuito nacerán
corrientes inducidas que durarán tanto tiempo como dure el movimiento, y
cuyo signo dependerá del sentido en que semueva el circuito inducido. "


This is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE !

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #199 on: August 20, 2013, 02:41:01 AM »
I also thought about the 3-phase line reactors such as this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/R-HOGENKAMP-3-UI-60-a-3-PHASE-LINE-REACTOR-BV-10833A-/380187334031?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5884ee558f


The core of the reactors can be cut to produce the "N", "S", and "y" electromagnets. Then, it would be relatively easy to reproduce the 1908 device.


What do you think?


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #200 on: August 20, 2013, 03:31:02 AM »
Please can you translate into english again this excerpt as exact and close as possible:


"[size=78%]Si dentro de un campo magnético se hace girar un circuito cerrado, colocado [/size]
perpendicularmente a las líneas de fuerza, en dicho circuito nacerán
corrientes inducidas que durarán tanto tiempo como dure el movimiento, y
cuyo signo dependerá del sentido en que semueva el circuito inducido. "


This is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE !
forest this may or may not be what you want but you do know about :  translate.google.com  ?  It auto recognizes the language and translates to whatever other language you want.   From google this is their translation:  If within a magnetic field is rotated a closed, placed perpendicular to the lines of force in said circuit born induced currents that will last as long as the duration of the movement, and whose sign depends on the direction in which semueva the armature circuit. "  I believe semueva is se mueva which means 'move'.    Or straight from his patent 'background' :  "if within a spinning magnetic field we rotate a closed circuit placed at right angles to the lines of force a current will be induced for as long as there is movement , and whose sign will depend on the direction in which the induced circuit moves."  says it more clearly. 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #201 on: August 20, 2013, 10:10:52 AM »
what is that ?  "within a spinning magnetic field " ? is that really in patent in original text ?  what means SPINNING ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #202 on: August 20, 2013, 01:13:48 PM »
what is that ?  "within a spinning magnetic field " ? is that really in patent in original text ?  what means SPINNING ?


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Si dentro de un campo magnético se hace girar un circuito cerrado, colocado [/size]
perpendicularmente a las líneas de fuerza, en dicho circuito nacerán
corrientes inducidas que durarán tanto tiempo como dure el movimiento, y
cuyo signo dependerá del sentido en que semueva el circuito inducido. "
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en francais :

si dans un champ magnetique on fait tourner un circuit fermé , ce circuit étant placé perpendiculairement au ligne de force du champ , dans ce meme circuit se créé un courant induit qui durera tant que le mouvement se prolonge et
le signe de ce courant dépend du sens de rotation du dit circuit

google translate

if in a magnetic field is rotated a closed circuit, this circuit being placed perpendicularly to the line of force of the field, in this circuit an induced current is created which will last as long as the movement continues, and
the sign of the current depends on the direction of the system's rotation

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #203 on: August 20, 2013, 01:44:51 PM »
Please can you translate into english again this excerpt as exact and close as possible:


"[size=78%]Si dentro de un campo magnético se hace girar un circuito cerrado, colocado [/size]
perpendicularmente a las líneas de fuerza, en dicho circuito nacerán
corrientes inducidas que durarán tanto tiempo como dure el movimiento, y
cuyo signo dependerá del sentido en que semueva el circuito inducido. "


This is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE !

Man-made translation:

"If, within a magnetic field, a closed circuit, placed perpendicularly to the line of force, is rotated, in this circuit will appear induced currents which will last as long as the movement continues, and whose sign will depend on the direction in which the system is moving"

I think you have taken this sentence from Buforn´s patents ( http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/buforn.pdf ) which are only written in spanish. I have been reading them carefully and ALL of them (5 patents) have almost the same exact text. The more mind-blowing sentences are those that I translated in my previous posts. Buforn try to explain more in depth the relation betwen both rows of electromagnets which are related by induction (which is not written in Figuera patent), and he just finally say simply that to collect the induced current a coil can be placed between the electromagnets. Previously he had defined the electromagnet just calling them N and S without any further explanation about its poles.

If I have time I will try to translate at least the one or two most important pages from one of the Buforn patent´s (sorry for not translating the whole patent but each one has around 20-25 pages, basically explaining many different things as the magnetic field of the Earth, the influence of the Sun over the Earth sending energy which can be capture by the atmosphere (ionosphere) and the rest captured by the ground. He even refers to the Tesla´s experiments of sending energy wireless to long distances (which proves that he was aware in 1914 of the test developed some year before in America by Tesla...). One important thing mentioned by Buforn is that the generator does not suffer from the Lenz Law  (which was never mentioned in 1908 by Figuera). In one of Buforn´s patents he called Lesen , in another one Leuz. I don´t know if it was just a typing error by the person in charge of transcribing the text or that Buforn didn´t know how it was correctly written the name of Lenz.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #203 on: August 20, 2013, 01:44:51 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #204 on: August 20, 2013, 01:50:35 PM »
The 191st post is interesting, just hope that the current does not return to the primary with several connections of this type. :(

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« Reply #205 on: August 20, 2013, 01:53:29 PM »
Hi bajac,
Which do you think would work better? Doug1's thoughts about  N, S, and Y, or what is in Patrick Kelly's ebook.
(Clemente's work is in chapter 3)
http://www.free-energy-info.com/PJKbook.pdf

Hi Rmatt,

I can say you that all the info included in Patrick Kelly´s ebook abouth the Figuera interpretation was released by Bajac in one of the first posts of this thread. You can search for the pdf document uploaded by Bajac.  For new users I have searched for the Bajac´s post  (post #55) where the explanation is attached as a pdf file:

http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg346032/#msg346032


Later on, Kelly designed a circuit to acomplish the task to create the two signals in the resistor, and he added it to his ebook.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #206 on: August 20, 2013, 02:11:25 PM »
(Aïe) I probably forgot that it worked only in resonance frequency. ???

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #207 on: August 20, 2013, 05:47:38 PM »
(I am no expert in electronics, just interested in electronics for about 40 years. I did go to school for computer electronics about 18 years ago, but have forgotten alot since then. Anyway, back to the fun stuff.)
Doug stated:
"Studying the layout closely I think the Coils S and N are facing each other with the same sign pole faces."
In the ebook it shows N for North, S for South. They are alligned with N and S facing. It goes on to explain that the current rotates around the coils.
That is what I was refering to earlier.
Thanks

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« Reply #208 on: August 20, 2013, 06:23:50 PM »
RMatt,
There is no rotation of the magnetic field or the currents in the 1902 and 1908 Figuera's devices. I do not understand why some people keep referring to a rotating field. The principle of these devices is the same transformer action used in todays transformers. A voltage is induced due to a change in intensity of the magnetic field. It does not have to rotate.
Bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #209 on: August 20, 2013, 07:27:25 PM »
Hannon yhank you .I see where you answered my question I must of missed it.

 

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