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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1558462 times)

Offline Qwert

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I think we need a scan of ORIGINAL Tesla article "The problem of increasing human energy" from 1900 and especially page 200 and further...

Probably you don't need the original article. You need this (further explanation of the same author):

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-OHYzNmZBdU91bkk/edit?usp=sharing

Pic of Teneriffe (Peak of Teneriffe) a peak of a mountain in Teneriffe.

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Probably you don't need the original article. You need this (further explanation of the same author):

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-m4PqHpBHo-OHYzNmZBdU91bkk/edit?usp=sharing

Pic of Teneriffe (Peak of Teneriffe) a peak of a mountain in Teneriffe.


I'm not sure Qwert  ???  Why would Tesla who was pedantic make such a mistake ? Pic instead of Peak ? Written in capital ? Tenerife with one "f" ?  It's interesting because there is Pic a Tenerife in Canada and it is a mountain which I can assume ( a big assumption) was the place of experiment done by Tesla and his friends described in one article available on net. Ok, maybe it's too far but the mistake was indeed interesting

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Tenerife with one "f" ?  It's interesting because there is Pic a Tenerife in Canada and it is a mountain which I can assume ( a big assumption) was the place of experiment done by Tesla and his friends described in one article available on net. Ok, maybe it's too far but the mistake was indeed interesting

Tenerife is the name of one of the Canary Island where Clemente Figuera lived in the time of his first patents in 1902. The peak in Tenerife Island, called Teide Peak, is the tallest mountain in Spain. I think Tesla was thinking that Figuera collected the energy from the medium using high altitutes, which is completely different to the method really used. I know that Tesla always lived in the some of the highest floors in the NY hotels searching for better conditions for some of his experiments during his last years.
 
I don´t know if Tenerife is also the name of another peak in Canada where Tesla did some experiments. Can you provide any link to this info?
 
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Probably you are right, Forest: Pic a Tenerife is a mountain in the Newfoundland. But, this is mountain and that is mountain, who cares? Of course it makes significant difference if you gonna visit one of them.

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Maybe it is simpler that what we think:

Patent from 1908: "so simple that vigilance can be overlooked"

Herald Tribune (June 1902): [Figuera] declares that the only extraordinary point about it is that is has taken so long to discover a simple scientific fact."  .... " the whole apparatus is so simple that a child could work it"

Canarian Newspaper (May 1902): "My invention is based on a simple principle, which is not worth the warm eulogies with which I am honored and distinguished,  I can not understand that anyone did not happen to do what I've been fortunate to achieve"

Interview in a canarian newspaper (June 1902): stating that the secret of his invention resembles the egg of Columbus.

If energy is not created, and it is just moved from one place to another, we may say that a conventional generator is just capturing energy from the surroundings and trasnsforming it into electric energy. Maybe what you need to do is just to imitate a conventional generator, but without moving the stator or rotor and only moving electric charges and magnetic fields, just try rotating the magnetic field, and try electrical load in the tests. Maybe, just with this approach,  it may capture as much electricity as any conventional generator.


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Figuera mixed notions; it is big difference between transformation and amplification. Transformer does not amplify; amplifier does not transform. And he built a transformer and wanted to amplify. Of course, everything worked perfectly but only in his head, never in reality.

Maybe in combination with another idea there is a chance. Something like this:

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg364428/#msg364428

or the same available in PDF: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2011143809.html
« Last Edit: July 01, 2013, 06:47:04 AM by Qwert »

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QWERT, why are you doing that ?  :o   Figuera device SURELY worked fine. It is a FACT not our supposition.

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In an effort to find the device which Tesla claims he already figured that out. The closest one I could find was US433702. Built as a ring two cores over lapped ,one shielded from the other. The other not sheilded on the outside of the shielded one seems to be of some importance as well as the the saturation capabillities being different from one another.Tesla appears to be using a motor where figura used resistance and back to the source. There is a slight statement of a pissy nature that Tesla wants to avoid mutual inductance of the two coils in his device but even when shielded it can if enough magnetic saturation is used in the primary. He also uses a motor with two sets of windings one run by generator the other by the device. He must have been wearing his dancing shoes on that trip to the patent office. There are a few simple facts about electromagnets which cant be argured. More turns of thin wire will produce a stronger magnet without using more current. Thicker wire with fewer turns will produce more induced current but lower voltage for the same strength magnetic feild. A iron core will produce a stronger magnet even more so then more turns of wire will.

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In an effort to find the device which Tesla claims he already figured that out. The closest one I could find was US433702.

Doug,
Certainly it is a curious patent ( "protect in a measure the secondary from the inductive action or effect of the primary by surrounding either the primary or the secondary with a comparatively-thin magnetic shield or screen" http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-433,702-electrical-transformer ). What I don´t know if we can say that this patent from 1890 can be related to the essay in the Century Magazine in 1900 "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy"  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm (page 200 as refered by Tesla in his letter is the reference to "novel facts" into the text, search for it ). Such novel facts are described as "that an electric current is generated in a wire extending from the ground to a great height by the axial, and probably also by the translatory, movement of the earth") . For that reason Tesla mentioned that the condition in the Peak of Tenerife were fine for such a method  (Tenerife is the Island where Figuera lived). I am afraid that Tesla were thinking that Figuera captured the atmospheric energy -as reported in the newspapers- by using a kind of antenna to take advantage of the height. In any case, I don´t know if we should look for references to free energy in Tesla´s patents from his first years. Tesla was very smart and if he had discovered in 1890 any small possibility to capture free energy he would  have follow this line of research for sure.

Qwert, Please read into this link all the references to real proofs of the Figuera Generator. http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258 I am sure he got it working. I have a reference where it is said that his house was lit with his generator, and I have heard of some references that Figuera´s plan was to light all the streets in his city (Santa Cruz de Tenerife) with his generator just using the standard wiring but, now,  powered by his generator. I am afraid that he didn´t make many friends in the electrical industry with such statement. He start working on it until he signed the sale of his patents to the banker union in september 1902. Later ...all is silence ... 

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Here it is a link to a Tesla paper where he talks about lag in the magnetic core:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12439-re-inventing-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-10.html#post226216

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QWERT, why are you doing that ?  :o   Figuera device SURELY worked fine. It is a FACT not our supposition.

According to all available articles, there are only witnesses that Figuera said so; no witness had seen it with his own eyes.

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Back then the patent office required a working model. One patent issued was tested after patented and reported to the patent office as working.
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Back then the patent office required a working model. One patent issued was tested after patented and reported to the patent office as working.
Garry

Any reference to this info?

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Quote from: iflewmyown on Today at 03:58:23 AMBack then the patent office required a working model. One patent issued was tested after patented and reported to the patent office as working.

Any reference to this info?

This test was carried out in 1913, 5 years after Figuera´s death, because one his partner, Buforn, was kept on trying to commercialize this generator and filed 5 more patents all of them similar to the one from 1908. This test report  is kept in the Patent Office as a proof of practical implementation of the generator, a mandatory step to get the patent granted in those days. This patent was granted. It is a pity that the report of the test doesn´t not include if the machine was self-running apart from producing electricity. What was the reason to follow a dead end after 5 years?  For me it is clear. We have collected many proofs. For anyone who has some doubts:  please read the webpage deeply before going into questions. This test report was already posted in the forum some weeks ago.

http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/test.pdf

http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258


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This test was carried out in 1913, 5 years after Figuera´s death, because one his partner, Buforn, was kept on trying to commercialize this generator and filed 5 more patents all of them similar to the one from 1908. This test report  is kept in the Patent Office as a proof of practical implementation of the generator, a mandatory step to get the patent granted in those days. This patent was granted. It is a pity that the report of the test doesn´t not include if the machine was self-running apart from producing electricity. What was the reason to follow a dead end after 5 years?  For me it is clear. We have collected many proofs. For anyone who has some doubts:  please read the webpage deeply before going into questions. This test report was already posted in the forum some weeks ago.

http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/test.pdf

http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258



These articles suggest that these patents are complete, while our replicators suggest that these patents must be incomplete. Where is the truth?

Here is an excerpt from the second link's article, the author says:

"I don´t doubt that in the coil induced currents are generated, as he thought, but to pretend that more energy is generated in the coil or set of coils, which is needed to generate the inductive fields, even if they vary over time very rapidly, is an illusion."

« Last Edit: July 02, 2013, 10:28:06 PM by Qwert »

 

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