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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1639729 times)

Offline Cadman

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Gyula, thank you! Much appreciated. And thank you for all the other help you have provided to everyone.

Marathonman, yes, that is the coil layout, including the bloch wall note, although I disagree with the varying core diameter. I believe it should be uniformly cylindrical as smaller coil does not necessarily mean smaller core diameter. But who am I to say, eh? :) By the way, where does Buforn say the induced coil is smaller? I would think the coil specs would be determined by the desired input and output.

100 volt @ 1 amp input, eh? I will keep that in mind.

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Offline marathonman

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I personally think the patients from Buforn 1908 are as follows. the patient never says there is a core in the primaries just the secondaries so that leads me to believe in my pic i made as per Cadman. this is a sound observation as no BEMF can ever be transfered to the primaries as they have no core to effect yet the flux from the primaries will be transfered to the secondaries as Iron will attract the flux. the pic of Buforn patient pic shows the cores on top as it is impossible to stick two cores from two different directions in one core end. this will also make it Moduler in design and easy to add more more cores for more power as per Patient drawing.
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Marathonman, why do the primary cores not pass the Bloch wall in your 2nd last diagram?


And for all those who need some good basic info on what is really important in the construction of transformers, I would reccommend this article:


http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm


As for the figuera investigation, this becomes more of a crime story with every day. I noticed, Figuera must have hidden some essential information in the patent, something must be carefully disguised. Otherwise he wouldn't been able to sell himself to the bankers because everybody could have built it. So the key may not be in the patent per se, but it may help to understand parts of the setup, just like when you turn a text upside down and suddently see a hidden message, or that picture that shows Freud, and when you turn it 180 deg. it shows a young woman, if you know that one.


As for NRamaswamis speech about the economy not wanting free energy, I have to say he was absolutely right, tho probably addressed to the wrong person and yes, usually the tech. aspects of the subject are of interest and not so much the politics, although, when you search for free energy then you may think or talk about politics occassionally. We may not be able to sell it, but we can live in a underground facility virtually forever, while the shell dwellers extinct due to lack of oil and uranium.  8) I mean there must be something good about free energy.


Regards


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Offline marathonman

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Dieter,
 Marathonman, why do the primary cores not pass the Bloch wall in your 2nd last diagram?

Because you dont want Both north and south flux on output core.... it will cancell each other out ....right!

And for all those who need some good basic info on what is really important in the construction of transformers.

This is not your regular transformer and therefore it will not act the same as one....whole diff ball game.  so why does everyone treat it as such. this has a whole different set of rules people. read the Patient again...... besides that drawing was for him because that is what Cadman is working on .

and for that last part ... i have been around the world and the USA and i DON"T need to be Lectured .END OF STORY !

I will be using two types of Moduler set up ...one with cores and one without and i will post results. oh i spell his name wrong its Buforn....SORRY

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I noticed, Figuera must have hidden some essential information in the patent, something must be carefully disguised. Otherwise he wouldn't been able to sell himself to the bankers because everybody could have built it. So the key may not be in the patent per se, but it may help to understand parts of the setup

I agree with you Dieter. Figuera in 1902 filed  four patents on the 20th of September 1902. The telegram where Figuera states the sale of the patents to the bankers union is dated on the 24th of September. Only four days between filing and selling the patents. I think (but it is just my opinion) that Figuera knew that he was going to sell the patents, therefore maybe he just filed them to have a formal document to be sold. I think that he hid some key parts because he knew that the patents were already to be sold to the bankers and avoid that anyone could replicate the generator in an easy way.

The inventors of the 1902 patents were Clemente Figuera and Pedro Blasberg, a young electrician who helped Figuera in the developent of his invention. Just as a curiosity: Blasberg achieved the position of general manager of the Gas Factory located in the Canary Islands many years after 1902. Blasberg had a incredible professional career respect to a common electrician, don´t you think so?...

 I don´t know what happened to the money that Figuera received for the sale of the patents (around 230,000$ in 1902 paid in Spanish currency) because I have read a document where Figuera was looking for funding to commercialize his new generator in 1907. Then it is when Buforn became his business partner.

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Offline dieter

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And soon after he died... strange. Why isn't a Buforn Generator at every corner today? How and when died Buforn? It could be that Figuera decided to break his Bankster deal, or maybe it was time limited. Maybe Figuera thought the world should have access to the generator.


I have some new clues but after my 3 "I solved it!... not."'s I'd rather try it first.


Marathonman, actually only the question about the core was directed to you. But even if the Figuera and Buforn patents are not transformers in a conventional sense, I'd reccommend that article nevertheless strongly as it contains real essential information eg. about core saturation and much more, that is useful in any setup with coils.


Regards

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Bajac, Farmhand:

I saw the interesting discussion.. I have one doubt. Please note that I'm not a trained person and do not know theory.

1. When a permanent magnet is stagnent it has no current.

2. When a permanent magnet rotats let me state my understanding as per books. Let Farmhand say if I'm right or wrong.

current theory as I understand it..Let Farmhand say if I my understanding of the theory is a mistake..

Dynamos or Alternators or Large turbines in Nuclear, Thermal or Hydro-electric plants, wind turbines all work on the same principle. The principle is simple. When a magnet surrounded by coils is rotated it creates a rotating magnetic field. The coils cut the rotating magnetic field and current is induced in the coils. The current produced in the coils due to this Electromagnetic Induction opposes the rotation of the magnet. Therefore to continue to rotate the magnet, mechanical energy needs to be applied. The applied mechanical energy must not only be used to rotate the magnet but also overcome the opposing force of the induced current. For this reason, the input of the generators in the form of mechanical energy is always higher than the output of the generator or dynamos or alternators.  More energy is spent in the transformation of mechanical energy in to electrical energy and this energy loss is the cause of the poIr crisis all over the world. These principles of Electromagnetic Induction Ire invented by Micheal Faraday and they remain valid to this date.
This principle is used in induction motors by using the repulsive forces of the similar poles of magnets by supplying current to coils to the stator of an induction motor. HoIver the rotor of an induction motor rotates at a speed lesser than the rotating magnetic field created by the coils. Therefore current needs to be continuously supplied to rotate the rotor.
Similarly to generator electricity large turbines first provide current to an induction motor and then apply mechanical force to the rotor which then starts rotating faster than the rotating magnetic field of the stator current. When the revolutions per minute of the rotor due to applied mechanical energy exceeds the rotating speed of the rotating magnetic field, the induction motor starts working as a generator.  Again mechanical energy is needed to be supplied to the generator to a level which can overcome the opposing current now induced.
The opposing current is produced due to a Lenz law. These laws are regularly measured and are considered a part of the natural laws now.  There is no machine that has overcome the forces of the lenz law which are in commercial use today.
Transformers also suffer from lenz law. The current supplied to the primary of the transformer is opposed by the current induced in the secondary of the transformer. Therefore though there is no mechanical motion, the input current to primary is always higher than the output current produced in the secondary.
In both transformers and Dynamo Electric machines the greater the poIr of the magnet, or the greater the magnetic field strength, greater would be the poIr produced. Therefore large cores of magnets are needed to produce currents. This is the reason for building dams, Nuclear plants, steam turbines etc.

Is my above understanding is right or wrong as per theory taught in books. Please answer this Farmhand.

Tesla's rotating magnetic field motors and generators all worked as he described which is a similar way to how a regular motor or generator works. If you look back I showed a quote from Tesla about that and a link to the book it came from. A rotating magnetic "field" as in motor "field" or generator field may be more efficient than actually rotating a rotor, but the motor or generator is still subject to Lens Law as Tesla clearly states.

Cheers   

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Offline Farmhand

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Where is the formula and/or mathematical model telling you that B=XX (Gauss) with an energy density of E=YY (Jules/CM3) can induce a power ZZ (Watts) in a secondary coil having a connected load?
Books teach you only the Faraday's induction law, that is, B=XX (Gauss) induces a voltage V in a secondary coil with N turns. And, the engineering books describe only the power in and power out in a transformer (bypassing any energy/power flow due to the magnetic field.)
I consider this omission to be intentional. If you start digging into this area, you will soon conclude (like me) that the power and/or work between two coils are not the result of the magnetic field energy flowing into the coils. Again, refer to the transformers; the power output can increase order of magnitudes while the magnetic flux/density stays about the same. In other words, the energy density of the magnetic field stays constant and unaffected by whatever is connected to the secondary coils. Of course, there are interactions between these magnetic fields because of the core construction, but still the intensity of the net magnetic field is about constant.
I am not trying to convince anyone and I respect your conviction. However, I disagree with it. On my part, I will not discuss this issue any further.

I never said it would tell anything. I suggested it might. I'm not an engineer so I'm not particularly concerned with complex calculations.

Bajac is so quick to want to disagree with me that he doesn't realize I agree with him about the transformer flux remaining about the same and the transfer of energy in a normal transformer being through means other than "through" the flux. This is obvious, but just as obvious is that a transformer where the primary and secondary are on a different part of the core (like a flyback) that the transfer can only be through the magnetic field  because the coils are not close enough for direct transformer action.

My contention is that there should be a formula for determining the magnetic field produced in a coils core when energized by electricity. And that if that formula was reversed we should get the possible amount of electricity from a given applied magnetic field to a coils core. Simple, logical ?. I never said there was one.

Cheers

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To put it more specifically my doubt is this..

If you make a coil of wire is made to jump, it does nothing.

If you make a permanent magnet move up and down it does nothing,

If you rotate the magnet in empty space do we see any rotating magnteic field. No so the magnetic rays are invisible.

Now when these invisible rays cut the coils made up of conducting materials current is produced in the conducting materials. The argument is that mechanical energy is converted to electrical energy. if that be so if we just make the coil jump and down in the absence of a magnetic field or rotating or time varying magnetic field, current is not produced. We need the combination of rotating permanent magnet and the coil of conducter to generate electricity.

Since in the absence of magnet the mechanical energy is not converted to electrical energy, there ought to be some thing that is present int the magnetic field.. That some thing is certainly not mechanical energy. So a rotating magnet or rotating magnetic field does some thing else to generate current in the coils of wire.

I agree that the current generated in the coils tends to repel the movement of the rotating magnetic field. I also agree that therefore we normally need to give more energy to the rotating of magnet to continue or mainfest the rotating magnetic field. So excess energy is needed to rotate the magnetic field ( not to produce current but to sustain the rotating magnetic field overcoming the force of opposition from the induced current)/

The question is where is this induced current coming from? It certainly is not from the rotating magnetic field as the rotating magnet does not create electricity unless the conductor is placed near it and coiled. Then what happens to the conductor and why the conductor creates electricity.. This is a fundamental doubt..That is not answered in boooks.

I request Farmhand to answer this queston to enable this dummy to understand the situation.. Pleae do not quote from a book but please do give an insightful answer like Gyula gives. I remain very grateful and obliged.

The thing is that a conventional dynamo situation was said not to convert mechanical energy to electrical energy, now in a motionless dynamo the magnetic field and the coils are already there the thing missing is movement, which requires mechanical input to make the magnets pass the coils/cores so that they can do their work by varying the magnetic field in the coils cores, without the mechanical input energy the dynamo does nothing much at all, and when loaded the mechanical input increases. This cannot be disputed as it is obvious to all who look.

In a transformer things are different and different transformers work in differing ways to some degree. This is all I said.

Cheers

P.S. If we reverse the situation can we say that the electrical input to a motor does not convert electrical energy to mechanical energy ? I say it does.

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And soon after he died... strange. Why isn't a Buforn Generator at every corner today? How and when died Buforn? It could be that Figuera decided to break his Bankster deal, or maybe it was time limited. Maybe Figuera thought the world should have access to the generator.


I have some new clues but after my 3 "I solved it!... not."'s I'd rather try it first.


Marathonman, actually only the question about the core was directed to you. But even if the Figuera and Buforn patents are not transformers in a conventional sense, I'd reccommend that article nevertheless strongly as it contains real essential information eg. about core saturation and much more, that is useful in any setup with coils.


Regards

Another possibility is that the payment from the bankers was not completed, yet another is that the device did not do what Figuera said it would do so the Bankers took back their money and the resulting stress eventually killed Figuera. Stress can kill you just as dead as a bullet it just takes longer.

Another possibility is that he had debts and spent the money on debt, then the device didn't work as he told the bankers it would so he tried again but the bankers put a hit on him rather than lose face.

I was curious about how Figuera died and when, I guess this also goes for Bufon, the other guy might have opted out and stayed out of it when Figuera dropped.

Some guy was Figuera, patents a free energy machine then sells it to bankers 4 days later, then set about patenting a competing device ? Do I understand that part correctly ? Sounds dangerous.

Cheers


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@Farmhand
I apologize if I misunderstood your statement. I do not have the time to read all posts, and the few ones that I read, I just glance at them. I have to say that I do not agree with most of the comments posted, but I respect their opinions because it could also happen that I might be the wrong one.


@Cadman
If you read some of my posts, you will find that I had advised more than once that there is nothing hidden in Figuera's patents. We should not be discouraged by not having immediate results with whatever we believe is a replication of Figuera's device. We need to be persistent, examine the results of the tests and make the necessary changes to fine tune the device to the correct parameters.




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@Farmhand
I apologize if I misunderstood your statement. I do not have the time to read all posts, and the few ones that I read, I just glance at them. I have to say that I do not agree with most of the comments posted, but I respect their opinions because it could also happen that I might be the wrong one.

No probs Bajac, I am also guilty of post scanning quite a bit.

Cheers

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I have read all of your post Bajac and i have only one Question. does the Primaries have cores or not ?
i can't really tell from Patients.

Dieter.....I have read entire web site you suggested multiple times .thank you though

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Never mind i found what i needed.

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Never mind i found what i needed.


Are you referring to iron cores?
Just in case, did you find out that the Figuera's devices have iron cores? It is explicitly stated in the patents.

 

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