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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1472335 times)

Offline forest

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Reference in the New York Herald the 9th of June 1902:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tesla/tesla27_04.jpg

"...the only extraordinary point about it is that has taken so long to discover a simple scientific fact"....."the whole apparatus being so simple that a child could work it."

As Groucho Marx said after a similar statement: "Bring me here a child of 6 years!"   ;)

The interesting fact here is how it's described as atmospheric electricity and how Tesla reacted on this article.

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Offline Farmhand

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Farmhand,
 
If you read the patent from 1908 you will notice that Figuera clearly states that he is claiming  a generator which does not use any fuel once started.
 
“…the production of the current in the induced, current that
we can use for any work for the most part, and of which only one small
fraction is derived for the actuation of a small electrical motor which make
rotate the brush, and another fraction goes to the continuous excitation of the
electromagnets, and, therefore, converting the machine in self-exciting, being
able to suppress the external power which was used at first to excite the
electromagnets. Once the machinery is in motion, no new force is required
and the machine will continue in operation indefinitely.”

“From this current is derived a small part to excite the machine
converting it in self-exciting and to operate the small motor which moves the
brush and the switch; the external current supply, this is the feeding current,
is removed and the machine continue working without any help indefinitely”

Electricity from a battery is not fuel !

Anyway I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from doing anything, I have my doubt's myself.

Is the patent an actual granted patent ? Or an application ?

I don't recall seeing this text below in the patent I'll have to read it again.

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the production of the current in the induced, current that
we can use for any work for the most part, and of which only one small
fraction is derived for the actuation of a small electrical motor which make
rotate the brush, and another fraction goes to the continuous excitation of the
electromagnets, and, therefore, converting the machine in self-exciting, being
able to suppress the external power which was used at first to excite the
electromagnets. Once the machinery is in motion, no new force is required
and the machine will continue in operation indefinitely.”

From this current is derived a small part to excite the machine
converting it in self-exciting and to operate the small motor which moves the
brush and the switch; the external current supply, this is the feeding current,
is removed and the machine continue working without any help indefinitely”

Do you have a link to where the text above is from ?

Not here- http://www.scribd.com/doc/114818563/Clemente-Figuera-Patent-30378-1902-Spanish-and-English-1

I see what looks like a patent "application" to me here http://www.energeticforum.com/214451-post116.html

But like you say the purpose is to replicate and see for yourselves. Which is a good idea.

Now I see where the implication of free energy is from, so I can understand.

Does he give indication where the extra energy is coming from.

By the way I'm not in any Matrix.  ;D


Cheers

P.S. What I don't understand is that if the device was demonstrated and a actual patent granted, then how was it suppressed at the time when the drawings were in good condition and he was alive ?

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Offline hanon

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Farmhand,

From your comments I am afraid that you have not followed the complete story of the Figuera´s gnerator. If you want to expend some time you could read in the forums, because I think you have not read them yet. After that, you could start doing some questions because you simple doubts are out of context at this stage.

By the way, from your ideas I could think that you are a person outside of the free energy researchers but I can see right now that you (or a person with the nickname farmhand) have 3,059 posts into the energeticforum.com  forum and you have posted some months ago in that forum about the Figuera Generator so you definitely are not unaware of this device. Sorry but I can not understand by you are asking such simple questions if you know this generator for months.

It would be wellcome if you join us in trying to replicate it, but first you have to teach yourself by reading the previous posts

Regards

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Offline Farmhand

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Farmhand,

From your comments I am afraid that you have not followed the complete story of the Figuera´s gnerator. If you want to expend some time you could read in the forums, because I think you have not read them yet. After that, you could start doing some questions because you simple doubts are out of context at this stage.

By the way, from your ideas I could think that you are a person outside of the free energy researchers but I can see right now that you (or a person with the nickname farmhand) have 3,059 posts into the energeticforum.com  forum and you have posted some months ago in that forum about the Figuera Generator so you definitely are not unaware of this device. Sorry but I can not understand by you are asking such simple questions if you know this generator for months.

It would be wellcome if you join us in trying to replicate it, but first you have to teach yourself by reading the previous posts

Regards

Yes I am farmhand, those are my posts, what does that have to do with anything ?  I don't change my name and I only use one name everywhere, I get suspicious when people try to imply I am doing something wrong because I have a lot of posts, why get personal ? On the flip side a lot of posts shows I don't change names or post under different names, like a lot of people do do. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, or implying wrongdoing. Are you accusing me of wrongdoing ? If I get busy with a project here I might end up with 3000 posts here too so what of it.

I was just trying to understand where the implication of free energy came from. When things don't seem to make sense I question them.

In my last post I stated found where the claims of self running were made, and so now I have no more questions about that. Question answered. Thanks.
I do find it strange that there were no claims of free energy in the first 1902 patent or patent application or whatever it is.
And the patents don't look like actual granted patents to me.

Good luck and best wishes. 


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Offline hanon

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Hi again,

Actually, the patent from 1908 was granted, if I am not wrong. Anyway the granting is not a measure of the validity of a device, it is a measure of the novelty and the inventive level of the patent.

I hope you could join us in this project. Everyone with experience is welcome. You can go throug the full story following chronologically the forums

Regards

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Offline forest

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Farmhand, you are like a super-fish stating that water cannot exists.... ;D

Offline Doug1

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It looks promissing I dont see what all the argueing is for. Tesla stated he had done something like this as well and blew it off as not new.Good for him. Guess that reveals intent and following tesla.s bread crumbs will require deeper scruteny when cross refferencing concepts. Pat 16709 http://www.tesla.hu/tesla/patents/b--16709.006/index.htm could be operated backwards with a comutator to chop dc into ac. At least the horse shoe type set up. There are other patents in the list but i dont feel like looking them all up. Someone used partial quotes of the notes section from Clemente's patent excludding enough of it to make it look like something it is not. Reminds me of the way the bible is twisted by those who teach or preach. When you fill a cap to max potential I guess you have to keep filling it like a conductor feeding a motor less it magically empty out as quick as it was charged? I thought electric magnetic feilds store energy and release it back in a back spike. It looks like the back spike is going back into the beginning of the resister in the drawing no? Back spike is higher voltage shorter duration so I believe. The higher voltage back spike would out weigh the voltage of the battery or at least match it preventing the battery from expending more power to feed the feilds. As it maybe arguable that back emf does not exist for some,but for those who it dose exist if it be enough greater then the potential of the battery it could possibly be used to power a motor to operate the comutator. Where does it come from all this power? Is that as important as where is not going once started? I am not certain if a modern resister will work the same way a coil resister will work somehow I dont think so for this application. Which makes me think diodes will not work on this as well except maybe at the output but that would not not have any practical use unless you making Teslas ac to dc converter.
 Good luck and good job so far.

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Offline hanon

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Don´t you think that the text "To the origin" ('Al origen') and the sign "-" are redundant in the patent figure?
 
 I am not really sure why Mr. Figuera used the text "To the origin" and, at the same time, he used a sign "-". In the rotary comutator he used a sign "+" to mean the positive side of the generator. Therefore the sign "-" is meaning the return to the battery. Is "the origin" a external connection?.  Is it a grounding point? Is "the origin" refering to another source of energy?. Remember that Figuera stated that his generator was capturing electricity FROM the air. It seems that "the origin" may be the air. ¿?
 
I have a newspaper report ,that I hope to traslate soon, where Figuera told that he was capturing the electricity form the vibrations of the ether.

 For me it is very surprising why Mr. Figuera needed to add this text ("To the origin") if a simple sign "-" was more than enough. Perhaps he was refering to another thing.

Any idea?

Offline forest

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hanon

I believe this statement explains all : to the origin means special winding of coils as you can partially see on schematic....actually it is Figuera secret imho End of coils set is connected to the origin whatever it means, it is the tip for us that here lies the secret...

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hanon

I believe this statement explains all : to the origin means special winding of coils as you can partially see on schematic....actually it is Figuera secret imho End of coils set is connected to the origin whatever it means, it is the tip for us that here lies the secret...




Yes I agree, 'origen' can also mean 'fuente' which is 'source'... but again not telling us what or where the 'source' is?


edit: If it is electricity from the air... then could it be a connection to an antenna? (or to ground?)


Ron

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Seven of this electromagnet sets should work fine!
 
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/clementefigueratransf1.jpg/
 
Bajac

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Your setup was pretty much I'm ""ancioso"" to know the tests.
I want to build a setup too but I'll wait your tests with the coil cascaded to decide how to build my system.

anything new?
cheers!!!
Schiko

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Offline bajac

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Schiko,
I have tested the coils with AC voltage only. I made this test to check the inductance of the primary coils. The results of the tests were kind of disappointed. When I applied less than 10volts AC, the primary current was approximately 4A. This is a clear indication that the self induced voltage of the primary coils is too low with 100 turns. The air gap really decreases the flux and the self-inductance of the primary coils. The air gap shall be as small as possible. If you look at the photos you will notice that the air gap of my coils is really small. I would say it is about 0.5 mm. To compensate, I am planning to add about 200 turns to each primary coil.
But, before I add the turns, I want to run the experiment with lower voltage levels. I have finished the construction of an adjustable linear DC power supply. See photos of the unit here:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/imageno14linearpowersup.jpg/
I am also writing an Arduino program to generate PWM pulses to drive an H-bridge. I think this is the most cost-effective solution for this apparatus.
On the other hand, I have been tied up with other personal business that limits the amount of time that I can spend on this project.
Thanks,
Bajac

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Hi all,
I've read this whole thread and find it very interesting. I found out about Clemente from a free eBook. I decided to try the digital timing circuit. I went to Radio Shack to see how much it would cost ($205.56). The tech there told me I would be better getting the parts myself, and he gave me the web address of the company he gets his parts from which is mouser.com . I ordered the parts from them at a cost of $48.42. Big savings!!! It only took 5 days to recieve my order.
They do have the Arduino, but I do not know anything about them.
I hope this site can help others.

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I'm short on money so I bought my Arduino clone for 10$  ::) but once I learned how to make it I prefer to build it myself according to needs (it's just a microprocessor with a voltage stabiliser)

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I'm short on money so I bought my Arduino clone for 10$  ::) but once I learned how to make it I prefer to build it myself according to needs (it's just a microprocessor with a voltage stabiliser)

no amount of money in the world will give you infinite energy.

 

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