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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1612949 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #795 on: February 28, 2014, 11:52:04 PM »
Dieter i don't think they are the same. yours has two positive peaks and two negative peaks from two different coils and i have one coil producing only a positive peak up and down and one coil producing only a negative peak up and down with o voltage line being shifted every 180*. 
Although I believe I remember it was said (by who?) the polarity of the inductors is alternating, your concept may as well be interesting. If the device is once built, all these modes can be tested with a few editing of drivers and wiring.
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that deal with the Caps are not a good idea as Clemente NEVER stated a word about caps besides the whole idea was to get magnetic swing with a split core (two).


The only reason why I would use caps is to go out of phase as described, as substitute for the commutator or driver cirquit. This cap would have to be strictly nonaffective on the coil cirquit.
Nonetheless, I had an other idea, extremly simple: the two halfwaves of an ac supply are rectified so now I got them on two cirquits, alternating (the negative side is just pole-flipped), but they still don't overlap, so I could flatten them a little with two caps. By flatten I mean lower the angle of the pulse and increase duty time, just like a deep pass filter. So then these pulses may overlap nicely. and that all with 4 diodes and 2 capacitors.
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if my theory is correct their will be no lenz even produced....my advantage is i am self taught and my mind is not corrupted by present day Academic or Scientific DOGMA that hovers over our Societies keeping us in the dark (dumming down) not allowing the real truth about magnetism and electricity being two sides of the same coin and that it can be pulled from the Environment at your house just like the utility companies do... i am out side the box looking in not the other way around.........i have one board at 500-800 HZ and one at 60 hz i will be testing

I absolutely agree! They closed the books of wisdom and locked them with many seals. . They cannot control the world when there is free energy. Their system would collapse and they would lose everything. From standard oil to the m.i. complex, in the dawn of 20th century it was decided to suppress any independence from oil, coal, uranium. But they can't hide it any longer. It's just a matter of glimpse in time until mankind will proceed, leaving those ticks behind...  :o
Yeah. About 60hz. I agree. Figuera uses an iron core, so it is certainly no high frequency. Also, his commutator might not been faster than like 3600 rpm, which is 60hz.
Got to keep on winding...
« Last Edit: March 01, 2014, 08:06:25 AM by dieter »

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Ok, dear CSI Figuera people, I think we're getting closer. In fact I've just run my figuera generator the very first time. Please note that I quickly wrapped some real ugly coils, so my efficiency is rather low.


I have it in series with a resistor hooked to a 12V AC Source (230v>12v, 50Hz mains), so it will not heat the supply too much. My primaries have a rather low resistance, the wire is relatively thick (like a secondary of a powersupply, maybe 0.3mm). The secondary Y coil uses about the same wire, but it's bigger, probably not a good idea, anyway. The core is made of two E-Shape Ferrite Cores, basicly it's similar to Figueras cores, but without gaps.
The consumption is 6.84 watt.
When I connected the 12 Vac directly to both primaries, voltage and amperes on the Y coil dropped to zero.
When I connected it only to one, the Y coil gave me 4vac and 70mA. Indeed, a miserable efficiency, when used like this, just like a simple transformer.
So I decided to try a simple 90 degrees phase shift on one of the primaries. I didn't have many caps, tried some, finally it turned out, a 470 uF elko worked best. Now, here's the thing:


If one primary gives me 70 mA and 4 vac, then two primaries should give me maybe 4 volt and 140 mA, or probably 8vac and 140 mA, right? So I was really surprised by the secondary output of 7vac and 250mA! And that aint the end of the story: running one primary consumed 6.84 Watts, no matter if the one with or without phaseshift cap, but running them both (7vac, 250mA) consumed exactly 6.84 Watt too!


Guys we're on the right track I think. Am I really the first one who observed this? Very promising, encouraging stuff here! If I just were not so bad in winding coils. Will post some pics later. That was one good night.




EDIT:  it turned out, the resistor alone burns 6.84 Watt, so maybe my killawatt meter was fooled, although when I measured the generator without resistor, it consumed 22 Watt with both primaries and 16 with only one. Seems like the cap must have a capacitance that depends on the voltage/current. Probably it wasn't phased correctly anymore like that. Eighter way  the 250mA result is impressive.


Also interesting: using only one primary gives a rather loud hum, but when both are running, the hum disappears due to internal harmonies and or flux looping. This is just a great, genious concept.


Please excuse the bad image quality

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Hi Dieter,
Thanks for sharing your results. I have checked some electric theory and it seems that a cap unphase 90° the voltage. I think we must try to get the current to be unphased too

If you substract the resistor consumption, which is not really due to the device it self, then which is you balance.

I am lately thinking that Figuera really used coil in a row, not closing the magnetic circle. I arrived to this concluion after studing the last Buforn patent. There he cascades many group of three coils in a row saying that "this way you could use both poles of the electromagnet at the same time". He also placed all them in a row, not closing a torus, which apparently had being a better configuration.

This Buforn patent is opposing to the use of closed magnetic cores but it advocates a kind of linear configuration, longitudinal magnets. For some reason he needed to have open magnetic path at both sides of this row of magnets. Please download the pdf with the Buforn patents and check the last drawing. What is your oppinion?

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Hannon and all,

After studying the great "The Practical Guide to Free Energy Devices," I built two HHO devices that worked very well.
My next project was Mr. Figeura's device.
The following were my thoughts on the device:

1. I believed Mr. Figeura's goal was to produce 110V 50Hz AC current. Or what ever was
used where he lived.
2. I believed that each group of three transformers would produce 12V of AC current.
3. Wired in series would it would take 12 transformer assemblies to produce 120V.
4. In addition of the multiple transformer assemblies, I thought he might have used
two or more batteries in series to increase output voltage.
4. I believed Mr. Figeura's drawing of the "resistor" was a convenient way to show
the resistor. But instead of the equal spacing of the resistors shown on his drawing,
they would be placed so that they would form a sign wave to create AC voltage.
5. The only problem I had with the information was that he stated he had achieved
550 volts output! The only way I could make sense of the high voltage was that he
was using some combination of batteries in series to run the device along with the
correct amount of transformer assemblies to get near 550V. Four batteries in series
= 48V times 12 transformer assemblies = 576V AC assuming zero losses. One
thing that I thought of was that no matter how many AC volts he produced all he
had to do was use a conventional transformer to bring it down to 110V at considerable amps.

Last September I joined this fantastic group of people that are trying to "crack" the
mystery of Mr. Figeura's device. I am continually amazed at all the work and
thought you guys are doing.
My skills are in metal working = machining and welding, not electronics. I am working
on the original idea of a mechanical "controller" because I can.
I truly believe that if we figure this out that a solid state electronic device or using
AC from the mains or an inverter, is the way to go. Reliability of the device would be
important in a boat, car, or house.

The only bit of data I have to date was that is relevant is while testing my first
controller I measured .5V on output of my four transformer units.
.4V on unit 3
.3V on unit 2
.1V on unit 1
I was disappointed, but at least I think heading in the right direction.


Shadow

 

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Hi Hanon


Right now I think the closed circle is very helpful because it allows the magnetism to flow in circles. The collapsing field of a primary when the voltage is zero does then create a back flux impulse that amplifies the next pulse. As I see it, the circle is perfect, but Figuera stated, that it can be one or more electromagnets.


Right now there are two possibilities: the generator when used with the perfect 90 deg. phase shift cap for the voltage and current given by the supply in series with the 27 ohm resistor:


A: is out of phase in terms of the killawatt meter not being capable of measuring blind current (180 deg out of phase), but the strange thing is, only one primary has a cap so they cannot both be 180 degs out of phase.


B: The generator in this setup does not consume any current :)


As soon as I run it without the resistor, the phase shift of the cap seems to be no more 90 degrees, so it does not work anymore as it should and draws 22 Watts.


I have yet to make some measurements. But basicly, isn't it amazing that adding a second primary more than triples (is that a word?) the output?


And with this 470 uF cap I probably haven't even tuned it to the max. I think properly winded coils would result in even much greater output. It's so cool to see the amps jump right to the top of the scale (from 70 mA to 250mA) only because I connect primary B! The whole thing is so simple. if you wire one primary the wrong way, no problem then the shift will be -90 and not 90, the generator don't care. Just try some big capacitors until you reach a huge boost on the output. Using the wrong caps gave like 1mA or so...


As I wrote earlier, first I thought too we'd need to shift both current and voltage by 90 degrees, but after experiencing these things I do now think a simple current shift by the cap works absolutely.


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Hi Dieter,
Thanks for sharing your results. I have checked some electric theory and it seems that a cap unphase 90° the voltage. I think we must try to get the current to be unphased too

If you substract the resistor consumption, which is not really due to the device it self, then which is you balance.

I am lately thinking that Figuera really used coil in a row, not closing the magnetic circle. I arrived to this concluion after studing the last Buforn patent. There he cascades many group of three coils in a row saying that "this way you could use both poles of the electromagnet at the same time". He also placed all them in a row, not closing a torus, which apparently had being a better configuration.

This Buforn patent is opposing to the use of closed magnetic cores but it advocates a kind of linear configuration, longitudinal magnets. For some reason he needed to have open magnetic path at both sides of this row of magnets. Please download the pdf with the Buforn patents and check the last drawing. What is your oppinion?

Regards

From Buforn patent No. 57955

"If you want even greater production you can place the inducers and the induced one
after the other forming a single series in the next way: you place first an electromagnet
N, for example, next another electromagnet S, and between their poles and properly
placed you put the corresponding induced, with this we will have formed a group of
battery as explained before, but now (instead of forming as many identical groups to the
first one as number of induced coils needed) you can place, following the last
electromagnet S, another induced and, after this last induced you can place an inducer
N, following this inducer by another induced, and then by another S, and so on until
having placed all the inducers which form the series of electromagnet N and S.
With this we will have succeeded in using the two poles of all inducers except the first
and the last one of which we will have only used one pole and, therefore we will have as
many inducers as induced minus one, this is, if “m” is for example the number of
inducers, then the number of induced will be “m – 1”, which determine a considerable
increase in the production of the induced current with the same expenditure of force.

Another advantage is that around the core of the induced electromagnets we can put
another small size induced electromagnet with equal or greater core length than the
large induced one. In these second group of induced an electric current will be
produced, as in the first group of induced, and this produced current will be sufficient
for the consumption in the continuous excitation of the machine, being completely free
all the other current produced by the first induced electromagnets in order to use it in all
purposes you want."

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Hi Folks,

Regarding the core material for the Figuera coils I found a reference to the use of #7 sized steel shots. These substitute nowadays the age old lead shots (pellets) used for bird hunting etc. See this link for the reference:
http://open-source-energy.org/index.php?topic=1352.0 

In fact, Paul Babcock used such steel shots not only for electromagnets but even for transformer cores too. The good thing is that this material is relatively cheap, and you can easily fill up your individually sized plastic coil bobbins with them, the bad news is that you would have to 'treat' the pellets first by spraying an insulating layer  to prevent electrical conduction between any two adjacent pieces of steel pellets. In the link above the use of simply hair spray or any paint-spray is suggested. This way the eddy current losses are negligible and remanence is also small (hysteresis losses also low).

Price for a 10 lb (4.45 kg) steel shot (type#7: OD=0.1" i.e. 2.5mm) is about 21-23 USD in the USA (above link includes this USA site: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/459705/bpi-steel-shot-7-10-lb-bag?cm_vc=S014  and this video shows how to make an E core with pellets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U7esOiGBZE

You may find such steel shots in hunters shops or in hardware shops where ammunition for bird (mainly duck) hunting is sold. Look for the smallest sized steel pellet type (OD 2.5mm).

Gyula


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Shadow,

Figuera got 550 V with his 1902 generator, the one that he sold to the bankers. You are trying to replicate the patent from 1908. We do not know the exact output for this last generator. I suppsose as you that he built it to get AC to feed the grid .

Your idea about using two independent resistor series to produce two AC signals is very worthy. Although I think that Figuera maybe used not 2 AC pattern as input but maybe two sawteeth shapes.

As you already have the machine and mechanical commutator maybe you could test two likes poles facing each other and tell us.

About the 1902 generator: all the info that we have is from this generator. Figuera just appeared in the newpapers in 1902, not in 1908, when he died few days after filing the 1908 patent.

This is the first time that I release this info: In 1902, as his generator produced 550V and 15 HP, Figuera decided to ligth the lamps which were situated in the streets around his house. Before selling his patent he was planning to light the whole city street lights with some of his generators. But after selling the patent we don´t have more data about this project. Everything stopped. You can guess why...

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From Buforn patent No. 57955

Another advantage is that around the core of the induced electromagnets we can put
another small size induced electromagnet."

hola hanon

I´m intrigued by this "around", as he says electromagnet, not coil.
may u post the original text in spanish please ?
(I revised all your posts and could not find the spanish version)
thanks
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Hi shadow119g , nice to have you here.


Hanon, I do see the possibilities of multiple modules, but right now I am making great progress with this one, so I will not start at point zero with something else. Tho, using a number of pairs, they still can be connected to one big loop and work the same way as a single pair circle, but propably more care should be taken in the wiring between the inductors.


Ok, it sounds like a cheesy excuse, but my digital amp meter is broken, so I am haalving problems measuring the input and output properly 8) . As you may know (see my video in the thread about arcs, sparks and electron avalanche) I stupidly measured Ac Amps and Ac volts of a stepped up setup that may have had 5000vdc. Since then the meter doesn't work anymore for any AC measurements. So all I got right now is a little analogue meter for vac/vdc up to 500V and DCmA up to 250 mA ( tho I replaced that 250 mA fuse by a thin wire) .


So when I said before there was 250mA at the output, this was measured in DCmA, so it must have been more.


The output gives a nice AC voltage with near zero dc offset. Now I added a full bridge rectifier at the output. When I measure the DCmA now, the needle hits the end of the scala fulminantly! I estimate at least about 500 to 1000mA. Dcv says 5 volts, but since this is still pulsed, Ac recognizes 10 Volts. Let's say 5 vdc at 500 mA, that's 2.5 Watt.
The voltage that is fed into the generator after the resistor is about 2 Volts ac. I could not measure the amps, since the range is limited to 250 DCmA, as I said. So I measured the dc resistance of the generator,that was only 2.4 Ohm. So (2v*2v) / 2.4ohm= 1.67 Watt (I guess I shouldn't do that with ac, but anyhow).


So this is my result:


In: 1.67 watt
out: 2.5 watt, probably more.


See, this entire setup is so simple, you can do this in a day, therefor I please you to build it and test it with your professional measurement devices. I am only a philosopher who's playing with my stone.  When I first run this generator with the right cap, so it worked, I instantly felt that there is something very smart going on, that Figuera indeed was a Genius. The device is selfsynchronizing and selfharmonizing, it neutralizes vibration and by that the output increases.


Please help to verify.

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Hannon


Thank you for the clarification on the 1902 vs 1908 version!
I only had one resistor just like the drawing shows. Someone else had the two resistor idea.
I am recovering from trashing my 1800 Rpm 120V AC motor I was using to turn my
commutator.
Oh well............things happen.
As soon as I get things going I will let everyone know.


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From Buforn patent No. 57955

Another advantage is that around the core of the induced electromagnets we can put
another small size induced electromagnet."

hola hanon

I´m intrigued by this "around", as he says electromagnet, not coil.
may u post the original text in spanish please ?
(I revised all your posts and could not find the spanish version)
thanks
Alvaro

Hi all,

All the files about Figuera are located in the bottom part of this page:

http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

The 5 patents that Buform (Figuera´s partner) files after the death of Figuera are included in a pdf file (there are more thatn 100 pages and I have not translated into english...I don´t have time!. All those patents are copies of Figuera´s 1908 patent plus some minor improvement that he added.)

I want to manifest that the first step to rediscover the character of Clemente Figuera was done by the owner of this website (Thanks Alpoma!!) . He researched in the historical files and rescued Figuera from the darkness. He got a copy of the 1908 patent. Later I got the 1902 patents which were missing by visiting the Patent Office Archive and taking pictures of them. Latter I translated all of them into english. I uploaded all this documents into the Figuera website in order to have everything about him in the same place.

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Dieter, I think that you could improve your results if instead of using AC you use rectified AC . Figuera fed his device with a current above zero. He changed the current intensity but he never reversed it (no alternation of poles). Tell us if you have better results!!  Finally, which poles orientation are you using?

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Hanon:

I am not really able to understand the Buforn drawing.

Current from resistors goes to the inductors on one end and current from the rotary device goes to the inductors at the other end. What does that mean? The secondaries appears to start from the bottom and then go up and then return back to the bottom to make the bottommost the secondary output coil. Now How are the other inductors connected in this straight line series? That is missing in the drawing..There is no connection to the two inductors S and N in the middle. How are they connected here.

In addition to all this confusion, the iron cores show a gap in the inductors. Every inductor has two iron cores and there is a gap between the two cores. The induced is placed on this common core betweenn two inductors. There is no common core for the entire core and the cores appear to be separate.

As seen on the drawing of Burforn, There are 6 inductors with the first and last having a single iron core. The middle inductors have two iron cores each. This iron core between the two inductors passes through an induced electromagnet. Only the first two and last two inductors are wires and the wiring sequence for the middle two inductors is not at all indicated. This is extremely confusing..Can any one explain this.. please..

A more careful look at the inductors appears to show that the inductors have the same poles and the induced are placed in the middle between the North and South poles of a magnet. But each inductor has a gap and each inductor appears to have the same pole on both sides and hence the air gap between the two cores within the inductor. Of course the one of the end inductors would be North and South.

So our discussions that the it is the induced that is placed between two opposite poles of the inductor magnets does not appear to be correct. the inductors in the middle are characterized by having same pole with an air gap between the two identical poles. So each inductor has a winding half of which is CW and half of which is CCW. Air gaps are present between the induced and inductors.

But our discussion has been that the it is induced that is placed between identical poles as in motors. Doug.. Please look in to this and comment please..How will affect the input consumption and output? Please clarify.


I have ordered the commutator for me and it is yet to come and until it comes I have sit quiet.


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Hi Hanon


I was referring to:
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naturally in every revolution of the brush will be a change of sign in the induced current;


Let me say that I am very thankful for the great work you have done in the recherche of this whole historical Phenomena. I mean, this is so thrilling, somebody could make a hollywood movie about it.  The generator, the banksters, the secrets... I really enjoy becoming part of it.


But concerning my prototype and what I wrote about it, I have to say you all don't really seem to have read it all, did you?


Figuera used a permutator to create AC because the machine needed AC. If he would have had an AC mains grid, he would have done exactly the same as I did. I can only repeat: he clearly explains two sinus or sawtheeth AC waves, whereof one is  shifted by 90deg. or 25% of a full AC cycle.   


The easiest way to get that is to use mains AC and and a cap in series with one of the primaries. The cap must be big, so it will not act as a resistor, but will only shift the phase. This might be in the milliFarad range for higher currents. (note: you can use electrolytic caps in AC when you use two, connected like -++-  or  +- -+, using just a single one may damage it after a while.)


I hope you don't mind but I am a little bit tired of repeating myself, please read my postings. All I say is the efficiency, considering the low quality of the coils is excellent, maybe already now OU. By approximate calculation there is 1.67 Watt input. On the output I have, after rectifing and adding a cap to smoothen the pulses, 15 VDC. When I measure the DCmA, the needles hits the end of the 250mA Scale _intensively_, I would estimate 500 to 1000 mA.


I plugged an inverter to the output, but it required 4 Watts for operation, so it rebooted constantly after 5 seconds.


I don't know exactly, if this is OU, but it is at least definitely  very close to unity.


I made an other version, with diodes, creating two positive waves (when you swap the poles of the negative sinus side, it magically becomes positive, as if there has never been any negative voltage, but only plus and ground...) , described earlier, but the max. output was 4 volts and 70mA.


I carefully read and thought about it, made many tests and I am now convinced that this setup is the real deal. I would really like to see somebody replicating it (I offer my help), or at least carefully read my reports. No offence tho. I am only a bit tired. Monday I'll get some millifarad caps.


My prototype is small as a matchbox, but imagine the size 5x5x5 times bigger would also mean 125 times more current etc.
The number of turns however should be higher, you can't run a 2.4 Ohm load at mains grid...
Ferrite turns out to be the perfect material for the core.
The poles, Hanon, as I said, can be anyhow, it does not matter, Primary 2 will be 90 deg behind or ahead, depending on connecting, both has the same effect.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2014, 01:46:12 PM by dieter »

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NRamaswami, maybe we should stick to Figueras Patent. Buforn actually didn't manage to make the device popular, why?


Furthermore:  Airgaps may reduce the efficiency, esp when a coil has such a gap in the middle, The coil that is half CW and half CCW will most likely  neutralize any magnetic flux, which is the opposite of what we want, right?


The challenge is, to keep the flux in motion, but nevertheless obtain alternating polarity at the secondary. I suggest you watch my flux alternation diagram one or two pages back.  You have to drop the idea of poles because they change dynamicly.


At least that is my opinion.


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