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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #720 on: February 19, 2014, 01:47:29 PM »
at all
language confusion I see.
Same as I posted about the two colors indicating two poles, here comes the air gap issue:

There is also a conventional way in electric-electronic-magnetic issues,
to express the physical separation (gap) between two pieces of metal.
When an "air" gap is mentioned speaking about magnetic or electric relationships between two ferromagnetic cores,
this gap can be not just air, but also any material with no magnetic nor electric properties; eg. paper, cardboard, wood, or even a paint or varnish or epoxy etc.

Therefore, it is assumed, that a separation of two cores by mean of a piece of paper is an "air gap"
Further more, no bolts, clamps or whatever other means are needed to keep the electromagnets in place apart of some
long wooden or plastic exterior structure to hold them aligned and touching at the junction, as the attraction when electrified
will hold them together. (that is, assemble them together before energizing, when no magnetism is present)

Also to your consideration, is the electric insulation (varnish or paint) between rods in a bundle, as used in transformer sheets, to minimize losses-heat due to eddy currents

Remember that the electric-magnetic properties-behaviors of electromagnets, are different if the windings are over:

1- all windings over 1 core (made with a single rod or many).

2- each element winded over its own core, and assembled together in line, the cores touching at their ends metal to metal.

3- each element winded over its own core, and assembled together in line, the cores NOT touching at their ends (air gap or insulated)

4- each element winded over its own core, and assembled together ALONGSIDE (not in a row)

The coil formers (plastic or PVC non-metallic) are not mentioned as not relevant to this post.

In conclusion, as the drawing posted by me, was stated as correct,which clearly shows an "air gap" separation between the 3 different electromagnets (including the cores), and a posterior discussion indicates that all the coils are winded over 1 core, and as I have already experimented with a Figuera setup, and know there is a big difference in behavior in the ensemble depending on the four points above mentioned, my confusion grows instead of reducing.

@Farmhand - please correct me if wrong (your knowledge is highly appreciated)

Alvaro

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #721 on: February 19, 2014, 05:26:24 PM »
NRamaswami
IN the OU game you can NOT trust ordinary meters.
These meters are designed to be used by conventional mains and DC electricity.


The only way to be sure of your output is to power a device or devices which require many times more energy
than the input.


An example would be
1. 100 watts input; output powers a 2 KW heater to full heat.
or
2. 100 watts input:-  output powers 20 x 100 watt incandescent light bulbs to full light and heat.


Alternatively make a small device that anyone can replicate.
Not all of us have access to the heavy duty wire which you are using.


Anyway good luck sir.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #722 on: February 19, 2014, 06:00:50 PM »
 
@ALVARO_CS,  NRamaswamy,
 
Instead of making things complicated why don't you provide air gap in a standard transformer itself?  Please gothrough the attachment and let me have your thoughts.
 
You can make such arrangement in a 6 Volts or 12 volts transformer reducing the cost and also avoiding any sort of risk with high voltages.
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #723 on: February 19, 2014, 07:21:34 PM »
Hi All,
I think NRamaswami ist not here to share anything!, he told us he want to fill a PTC with Spanish patent from 1916 (the oldest one), and after that he will show us some iron bars with wires!
so tell me NRamaswami, did you came with anything new?
did Bajac, Hannon, Farmhand dont share allot of the technical aspects of Figuera?
Are you the only one who see the changing B to induce current in the secondary??
My friend, if you really want us to give you a technical explanation in order to fill a patent, then I must say, just keep everything for you, but please don’t post more here in order to create a precedent for you patent! because everything posted in public domain is not more patentable, I hope everyone got it.
If you want to be reach, than find another forum, in this one WE the people of the word are trying to free our self’s from such thing.

@Farmhand, Bajac, Forest, Hanon,…..:
could you please make any comment on the theoretical aspect of what I posted I the last picture?
I will very appreciated.
Thanks!

@Hanon:
If anyone should take credits for the discovery of Figuera´s patent and his content, that one must be you!
I will send you my though about the patents, as I promised.

Regards,
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #724 on: February 19, 2014, 08:08:23 PM »
@Nomoreslave:

Thanks for the kind words. My provisional patent was filed 8 months back. So when I file PCT I would get that date.

Please do not try to replicate what I have shown in the earlier pages. You can see that It is not a small device and not a small voltage or amperage test device. Others have used small devices.

I do not know how to calculate. However one of my friends who knows theoretical calculations has come up with a xx KW in theory for the device. The wires will not withstand that.

I know if I wind 220 winds of heavy wire and give 630 windings from the secondary, then the secondary would be stepped down to 220 volts. But what will be the amperage? We really did not know. The friend who can calculate has come up with a figure of more than xx kilowatts. He is not able to believe it. This is low frequency, high voltage, high amperage electricity. I cannot play around with it.

I have already told you all the working principle of Figuera devices. They are based on Magnetic attraction and in this case he used both Magnetic attraction and Magnetic repulsion. Output could be very high. Newton II hit it immediately by saying that Magnetic fluxes would be additive and out put would be tremendous. Another friend who appears to have tested self sustaining coils has asked a test question and I have answered him in my posts.

None of you have denied my assertion that there are no devices that are presently used for electrical generation based on the theory of combining forces of magnetic attraction and magnetic repulsion.

But use wires that are very thick and are more than 1500 meters long for this experiment as well. Figurea talks about reels and reels of coils. 
Hubbard used thick cables with Heavy voltage line insulated wires.

You are correct that I can provide full details only after filing the PCT application. Your understanding is highly appreciated. Not all applications are lead to patents. Not all patents issued are commercialized. I'm more worried on the aspects of safety. So please do not replicate and if you do so I'm not responsible. Hanon knows me.

If you do not have high capacity wires for more than 1500 meteres this system is not for you. Do not try to replicate. I will do it and will show it to you after filing the patent and since I would file the PCT patent, it would be published in its entirety. After filing it and after getting the International priority date, I will disclose the complete system.

I can confirm to you that I have tested devices that have 116% output as compared to input as measured by us. It may well be possible to build this device on a small scale. But we have done tests only with large scale in mind. So I do not know how the small scale devices would perform.

Give me a week or two and then I would come back and provide details.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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« Reply #725 on: February 19, 2014, 10:59:05 PM »
Hello NoMoreSlave,

Let Ramaswami finish his tests and show the results. I think he is quite transparent: he has posted all the details required to built his design. I have not seen many users doing the same here. If he is sucessful we will have the right path to follow. He is just saying that he just talk about facts and results that he got with his previous device. He is not hurting anyone. I think he is helping a lot to keep people interested and testing other configurations.

About his patent, I don´t see any problem in filling a patent. Tesla filed hundred of patents !!!!!  If he had not filed those patent then Westinghouse had not invested in his AC system. Now we will just have the limited DC system by Edison. Patents are sometimes a good way to spread a technology.

Also Figuera, my hero, filed some patents. And now we have that knowledge because it was written in some patents.

You can file a patent to get some profit of your work and at the same time that you release open public a full detailed description....as TESLA did.  His patent were some detailed , with no hidden parts, that he give them to the world at the same time that he got some money to keep on researching.

Ramaswami, good luck with your tests, we all hope with great expectation !!!

NoMoreSlave, your sketch is fine . It is the concept used by Figuera :a variable magnetic field . Now we need to know how to implement it !!! This is the key.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #726 on: February 19, 2014, 11:48:28 PM »
...
could you please make any comment on the theoretical aspect of what I posted I the last picture?
I will very appreciated.
Thanks!
...

Hi NoMoreSlave,

The concepts of the conventional and the Figuera generator setups are nicely shown in the drawings you uploaded here:
http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/720/
I agree with the changing cross section area for the conventional generator and the changing magnetic field of the AC electromagnets in the Figuera setup.

I have to notice that in a conventional transformator the coils are also fixed and the magnetic flux density also changes as the input AC current alternates. So I wonder what makes the Figuera setup to produce more input with respect to its input power? Could you expand your understanding on it?

(Mr Ramaswami already mentioned why this setup is Lenz-less but I would like to read your take on this if you do not mind.)

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #727 on: February 20, 2014, 12:33:09 AM »
Hi Ramaswami,

Could you please comment to the forum what you mean by stating that current generators just use the forces of magnetic repulsion while Figuera´s generator uses both the forces of magnetic atraction and magnetic repulsion?

Could you elaborate a bit deeper this idea? Maybe with a kind of example, if possible.

Thanks. I really appreciate your good attitude sharing your design. Go ahead!!

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« Reply #728 on: February 20, 2014, 06:44:27 AM »
NRamaswami, 

i am just afraid that you have confusion about week,month and years,
as you have confusion about amperage,voltage and watts......
btw, hanon have a good question, can you provide the answer for that?

......
thanks

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« Reply #729 on: February 20, 2014, 08:32:12 AM »

I have to notice that in a conventional transformator the coils are also fixed and the magnetic flux density also changes as the input AC current alternates. So I wonder what makes the Figuera setup to produce more input with respect to its input power? Could you expand your understanding on it?


When core is through (ie.,single) the fluxes produced  by primary and secondary repel each other because both fluxes are produced within 'one system'.   When air gap is introduced between primary and secondary cores, it becomes  'action at a distance'  hence fluxes produced by primary and secondary attract each other.  If you compare between working principle of a transformer and a generator you can easily make out the difference.
 
But I am afraid when you make fluxes additive in a transformer you may not get output from secondary at all.  Because it becomes like a transformer on no-load where fluxes produced by primary is neutralised by fluxes produced by the core hence transformer on no-load doesnot consume any power (other than losses) eventhough it is connected to mains and current will be flowing through it.  To take power out of transformer, the flux produced by primary has to be repelled by the flux produced by secondary which happens only when you apply load on secondary. (without air gap between primary and secondary).
 
This is only my view of the situation.  Others may have different thoughts.
   
Anyway you may come out with something else while conducting experiments.  Wish everyone good luck.
 

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« Reply #730 on: February 20, 2014, 08:37:06 AM »
hanon


I'm not alone in stating that all transformers action is not what we were taught. Somehow the arrangement is done that way so effect is symmetrical and COP is always below 1. In fact simple 1:1 transforme SHOULD and IS always 200% effective (minus looses) but I cannot prove it with ordianry transformer  >:(  But please think for a moment, if Lenz law is about magnetic fields opposing , then the two magnetic fields are produced, the change of secondary is always reflected to primary and we don't see the additional energy which is lost as heat. Such explanation looks better in case of the most basic law : action vs reaction Newton  law. But in case of ordinary transformer energy is always taken from primary source, except for rare cases when transformer burn  ;)

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« Reply #731 on: February 20, 2014, 08:40:29 AM »

When core is through (ie.,single) the fluxes produced  by primary and secondary repel each other because both fluxes are produced within 'one system'.   When air gap is introduced between primary and secondary cores, it becomes  'action at a distance'  hence fluxes produced by primary and secondary attract each other.  If you compare between working principle of a transformer and a generator you can easily make out the difference.
 
But I am afraid when you make fluxes additive in a transformer you may not get output from secondary at all.  Because it becomes like a transformer on no-load where fluxes produced by primary is neutralised by fluxes produced by the core hence transformer on no-load doesnot consume any power (other than losses) eventhough it is connected to mains and current will be flowing through it.  To take power out of transformer, the flux produced by primary has to be repelled by the flux produced by secondary which happens only when you apply load on secondary. (without air gap between primary and secondary).
 
This is only my view of the situation.  Others may have different thoughts.
   
Anyway you may come out with something else while conducting experiments.  Wish everyone good luck.


I think you should rethink that statement. I already posted the solution and it is not new and it is patented. You all didin't realize that all was patented before , you can only pated exact embodiment, exact device.

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« Reply #732 on: February 20, 2014, 02:30:21 PM »
Forest,
 
Could you tell in which post did you commented this?  I don´t know what you are referring exactly with your last post
 
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« Reply #733 on: February 20, 2014, 07:56:48 PM »
Dear All:

I believe that I have given significant information here but I'm a Patent Attorney. I have my practice. I have my clients and family. Last few days I had to overwork working day and night and I ended up with swollen legs that would not ener my shoes. I had been to physiotherapists and I had been asked to take cosiderable rest. I have a heart problem and am a chronic diabetic also. I have heavy litigation work to complete and a lot of deadlines to finish.

This forum is so addictive and interesting but forgive for at least two weeks or until I complete the PCT application whichever is later. Then I will come and inform you.

Forest..I have read a transformer book that says that transformers would not work without an iron core. But Transformer equations do not provide for the need for the core. I do not understand equations and so I do not know if this is true. I'm not trained in electrical theory and check if it is so.

You say some how transformers which should be 200% efficient produce less than 100% efficiency. 

Ok. Do this small experiment..

Please take any wire, any size.

Wind the primary on the solenoid of about 2 inch diameter plastic tube and 6 inches length first. Two layers of primary. Then wind on the primary the secondary (multiple layers of secondary) and again wind the Primary on the secondary at the end another two layers. You have two primaries covering secondary. Use any magnetising material for the core. Give AC current for best results.

If you are going to use less amperage and less voltage use many small diameter rods or powder to make the core.

A single large core would need a lot of amps. 

Build the secondary as a step up transformer.

Check the efficiency of such a unit. Note it down..Add more iron outside and check what happens to the efficiency.

Tell the others what is the efficiency..This is also one of the patents of Figuera.

You are all taught hysterisis loss should be avoided. insulated rods should be used. Eddy currents must be avoided. This is all wrong. Was Figuera an idiot to use soft iron rods..

Transformers today have a single primary and a single secondary. This is why they are less than 100% efficient. This is a common sense practical hands on knowledge gained.

I'm really surprised that so many people think that more than 100% efficiency is unachievable. It is such a simple thing..

I read some friend posting action at a distance..What is that? If fire cracker is suddely burst some where close to you unseen by you and unexpected by you, your body gets a shock due to sudden sound.you are rattled...that is action at a distance..

I have given you all more information than needed for you all to easily build a COP>10 device already in my posts.

I request you all not to try to replicate the device I indicated. It appears to be a dangerous one. If in spite of this specific and humble request you attempt to do so, I'm not responsible for it.

I'm not trained and this is all common sense approach and hands on knowledge  of a dummy guy really..My experiments and results were based on common sense approach.

I will come back after completing my tasks and when I'm free. This forum is very addictive indeed.. In the meanwhile have a nice time. Bye for now. See you all later..Thank you all...


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #734 on: February 20, 2014, 09:46:52 PM »
Hallo Hanon,

Let guess that the patent and the knowhow would put in the public domain, but without more overlooking! 

Quote
I have to notice that in a conventional transformator the coils are also fixed and the magnetic flux density also changes as the input AC current alternates. So I wonder what makes the Figuera setup to produce more input with respect to its input power? Could you expand your understanding on it?

INHO, Figuera told us what make his generator to go overunity or self-sustaining for ever:
As there is no moving rotor, there is no need to put more energy to BREAK the Lenz-law! …Buforn stated that there is no Lenz in the generator.
I don’t agree with that statement:

Any action taken to BREAK the equilibrium , an natural reaction is taken place in order to try to keep that equilibrium state.
every action has a reaction in the opposite direction, that is Lenz and that is Newton, and that is why they put the “-” in the Faraday´s law to become Lenz-faraday´s law.

in his Generator, Figuera DOES NOT TRY TO REACTE AGAINST THE NATURE (against Lenz which is natural). So, there is no need to use extra energy to rotate that coils inside the generator.
In the patent, the small motor is used for following tasks:
-   Convert 2xAC (coming from an extra coils, and only shown in the later Buforn Patents) to 2xDC!! (@90 deg out of the phase)
-   Is also a DAC: it generate the known changing excitation currents (TWO) (but is not alternating!)
-   This Motor/Commutators setup could be used only for starting the device, BUT there is DEFECT in this assumption:
o   In order to make sefl-runig, even if you have more output than the input, you have to BREAK & CONTROL the synchronization before feeding back the current, That is the main task of the small MOTOR+Commutators.
o   A good solution could be found in the Sweet bi-filar/bi-coils configuration (INHO, Sweet is a high optimization of Figuera concept: Two magnet in attraction mode and coils in between, he then modulated the magnetic lines of force with the other perpendicular coils, which are exited from the output coils, extremely intelligent! BUT LENZ WAS THERE, and it doesn’t hurt )


So if you have a electro-magnet which can give you a known magnetic flux B. How many options have you, in order to get the maximum induced emf from that field even if it is a weak one?
Just ONE: shake it faster!, that means, in our case, you don’t need to put more current in the excitation coils BUT, you can reach a high output by making that DC motor rotate faster, which is the same as putting a higher frequency in the aduino or whatever you have used to excite the primaries . you have to get a HIGH RATE OF THE CHANGE of the magnetic field. And THAT small change (making DC Motor running faster) is the only “input cost” but it will give you a very high output (Faradays induction formulas, the faster is the CHANGE, the biger is the juice you get).

That was the optimization made by Figuera. DON’T PLAY AGAINST THE NATURE, let it do what she want to do. We should only use our intellect to use that correctly and quickly.

In the Figuera generator, there should be a hidden secret (as state from many) which is related to the excitation sequence, BUT I m sure we can hunt it , because there are a few unknown variables!

We can use an alternating current to do experiments: use the main 220/110vac + step down transformer (220 AC to 24AC etc..)+ the 3 electromagnets magnets no danger at all. (don’t make a cat to looks like a tiger …EXPERIMENT!)
I personally took stator from an AC motor stator from a used washing machine (come with two electromagnets and put a third coil inside). I have also a set of 3 high voltage transformer from LCD backlight driver (samsung) and  with that I do my experiments….just imagine!

The following picture must help to break down that secret, Please look to the ZERO & PEAK Points of the output.
@0 output, there is NO 0 input, so feedback from the output to the input MUSST be somehow worked!
else if (output = 0){ input = 0; the generator = dead; } //we have to put our effort here.

Best regards,
NMS

 

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