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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1574200 times)

Offline Marsing

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #690 on: February 17, 2014, 04:36:53 PM »
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We have connected ammeters and voltmeters properly. But NewtonII could be correct in his statements for we had many Ammeters burn out and we avoided that problem by having fuzes to the primary input to control the current and I can tell you we have probably lost about 100 fuses. ................

thanks Gyula, i hope that NRamaswami use that setup for his device.

One more question NRamaswami,
can you say the rate of fuses ? ie 5A or 10A

I will wait your result in a week or two.

thanks...

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #691 on: February 17, 2014, 05:00:58 PM »
We have used fuses from 2 amps to 15 amps. Current fuse is 15 amps and it stays intact as the primary current has never been in excess of 10 amps. Secondary no fuse..But I'm not going to post back any replies as it takes a lot of my time. Bye until next week.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #692 on: February 17, 2014, 06:20:23 PM »
I saw one post from Newton II: Transformerw would not work with Pulsed DC. totally wrong.

Transformers work with Pulsed DC. Full sign wave pulsed DC would make transformers work. Some how the efficiency is lower than AC. That is all.

We are testing methods of windings that reduces the impedance loss. Possibly we need to lacquar the iron rods once to reduce heat loss as hysterisis. But that is expensive for me. With ineffficient methods, the device produced at least as accepted here 630 volts. I know that when the secondary produces 250 volts at no load the voltage at load is 120 volts and 2 amps and when the secondary produces 240 volts at no load the useful power is 100 volts and 1.8 amps. As the voltage in the secondary increases, the vibratons of the core increases and this must lead to higher output. But let us test and then see the results.

I will try to create a smaller version of the device by the end of this week.  Thanks to you all and Bye for now.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #693 on: February 18, 2014, 01:22:09 AM »

 describes in one line for using a secondary under the primary to get industrial scale currents. ...

...Possibly all of you have focused only on the drawings and have not studied the patent description of the original and missed the line.


Patent No. 30378 (year 1902) literally states:

"The current dynamos, come from groups of Clarke machines, and our generator recalls, in its fundamental principle, the Ruhmkorff induction coil.  ...

...As much as we take, as a starting point, the fundamental principle that supports the construction of the Ruhmkorff induction coil, our generator is not a cluster of these coils from which differs completely. ...

...the motionless induced circuit placed within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets."



Figuera mentioned the Ruhmkorff coil twice for some reason...   Maybe now we can guess why he did it.

Thank you NRamaswami for de-encrypting the patent !!!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #694 on: February 18, 2014, 03:02:25 AM »
The following link shows the setup for the driver I am using in the 1908 device. See this photo for setup #1:
 https://imageshack.com/i/euodzpj
The waveform corresponds to a load of two 50 Ohms/100W resistors instead of the primary coils. I am using seven rheostats each rated 20 Ohms/25W. This is an improvement with respect to fixed power resistors for avoiding re-soldering, every time a different resistor value is needed.
I ran an experiment to observe how critical is the matching of the values of the seven resistors and the reactance of the primary coils. I started with each rheostat having a value of 7 Ohms, which produced an output voltage of about 14 Vac. See this photo for setup #3:
 https://imageshack.com/i/0nt3urj
 The output increased to about 19Vac when the rheostats were changed to 12 Ohms. See this photo for setup #4:
https://imageshack.com/i/5b39cej
And finally, the output increased to about 25 Vac when the rheostats were changed to 20 Ohms. See this photo for setup #5:
 https://imageshack.com/i/nfa8y0j
 Another adjustment that was made based on the interpretation of the patent description about keeping the cores in contact but not in communication. I made the cores touch each other but without having electrical continuity. I used an Ohmmeter and measured open circuit between the three iron cores. That is, I have a minimum air gap of about the thickness of the insulating coating of the silicone steel sheets. I also verified that there was not cross-talking between the two primary coils. See the oscilloscope‚Äôs graphs in this photo:
 https://imageshack.com/i/7gr8yrj
 I HAVE NOT YET TESTED OVERUNITY! I want to optimize the electrical parameters, first.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #695 on: February 18, 2014, 03:57:05 AM »
NRamaswami:


All you need is to power one 7 watt cfl light bulb in a self sustaining way.
That would galvanize the entire overunity community in a flash.
You don't need to spend lots of money.
Just show us a self runner.
No need for any measurements at all.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #696 on: February 18, 2014, 04:16:42 AM »
With the winding of the secondary under the primary thing. I think that will increase the coupling of the primary to secondary and the load on the secondary will reflect to the primary just as in any other transformer.

Here is a document just to get folks up to speed on how a transformer works. http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm

If you're not already a  transformer expert and you don't read the document linked above a few times then there is only one person to blame.  Anyone professing to be an expert that says anything that goes against that document, they get no ear from me.

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At no load, an ideal transformer draws virtually no current from the mains, since it is simply a large inductance. The whole principle of operation is based on induced magnetic flux, which not only creates a voltage (and current) in the secondary, but the primary as well!  It is this characteristic that allows any inductor to function as expected, and the voltage generated in the primary is called a 'back EMF' (electromotive force). The magnitude of this voltage is such that it almost equals (and is effectively in the same phase as) the applied EMF.

Good luck.
Cheers

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #697 on: February 18, 2014, 04:42:02 AM »
Hi All:

I saw Farmhand's posts about a book..I don't go by books.. I go by my experimental results. I have not seen any book that says you need a particular voltage:amperage ratio for the secondary to start functioning effectively. We found out from experience.  What we share are the experimental results. Not abcd is stated in xyz book..I'm not an Electrical Engineer and I do not understand the page long calculations and so I ignore them all and trust my experimental results and then move on from there to do other experiments.

I agreed with newton II and also informed that we lost nearly 100 fuzes..So you well know that we have done a lot of work.

We will present the experimental results.. If they are not greater output than input also we will put it here..When I have the honesty to say all this what is my problem? I have no problem.. Really not worried if One member will not give me an ear..I am least bothered really if one member will not listen to me.. Experimental results that any one can replicate will be posted..

And I have asked how many of you have converted an iron to a permanent magnet and I have not received an answer. That is kept a secret.

So I do not care about much of other books. I do not care about what abcd theory says or xyz says.. All I care to see is what is the experimental results. Does it makes common sense? Can we go further without taking risks..

I will devise a safe method to test the high voltage output step down by a transformer and then giving it to a load by putting about 100 x 200 watts bulbs in parallel and keeping all of them on. give power to the primary to induce the secondary and then the step down transformer. Let us wait and see what the voltmeter and Ammeter show on the load. We will then know what happens.. What is the output wattage and what is the input wattage.. We will then see.. Do I have any thing to lose if I say look what we have got is less than the input..Nothing..

Do I have any thing to gain by saying look what I have got is more than the input. Again nothing..

I share the results with the community.. Nothing more and Nothing less. Will it change the world. I do not know and I do not think so..For I have got only two people indicating that they would attempt to replicate the experiments. And NewtonII who appears to be very experienced felt that the flux would be additive in the central core which is what should happen as that portion uses the forces of magnetic attraction.

The problem is all of you have studied theories and machines that use only forces of magnetic repulsion.

Figuera advocated a totally more efficient concept of using forces of magnetic repulsion and magnetic attraction combined to get a greater outpt than the input. If one module does not produce the results, we need to give the output of first module to the second and so on. All this increases the input voltage:amperage ratio. This is why I clearly mentioned at fixed low frequency of 50 hz, if you want to get better results increased the input voltage:amperage ratio but the amperage should be reasonbly ok, in the 5 to 10 amps range for magnetism to be effective. I have given all information..And I have said that larger the core size, longer the core and longer the number of wires and higher the number of turns all these things work..

Check Magnetic field strength in any book.. It would say Magnetic field strength = Number of Amperes x Number of turns.. Is there any mention of the need for higher voltage there..

Look at the inductor capacitor theory: As the magnetic field collapses, the electric field increases..As the electric field collapses the magnetic field increses..What does that mean.. A low magnetic field that can create high induced emf will result in a high electric field..This is borne out by our experiments. But if you give milliamps and 100,000 volts you would not see any results.. Input amps must be adequate to create a reasonable amount of magnetism, a low level magnetism to produce electric field.

Have you bought and open a bottle dynamo used in bicycles.. See that the magnet that rotates in dynamos is of very low magnetic strength. That is desired to produced current..

Any way I think we can build a self sustaining generator and give it a one shot electric current and make it continuously produce electric current. Then I will provide the full construction methods and why it works and how it works..That is if It works as I anticipate now. Many of my anticipations have been knocked out by experimental results and so I go only by experimental results..


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #698 on: February 18, 2014, 08:21:33 AM »

NRamaswami
This setup I saw many times and even tried to replicate BUT it was always on one core, that's why I always failed. I believe this is big step forward because of gaps between cores, but how big they are ?
Could someone more well-read confirm my feeling ? It's about EMF (electromagnetic force) created when magnetic field changes. The same is acting in Rhumkorff coil I believe. Now... if two primaries generate EMFs in secondaries and they  match and add ! , while EMFs generated by any change in magnetic field (by load) in secondaries to the primaries will nullify (being equal and opposite) then we have  lenz-free setup. In such setup the max output is dependent probably on factors like magnetizing current flowing in primary and the saturation point of cores. I believe that is purely Hubbard design, he looped it back to itself , has given the initial big current pulse and it worked indefinitely near the point of saturation of cores. That would be very good and limit the maximum output voltage, however itis only a theory...According to newspapers he used also two additional windings, one probably on the center core and one around all others. The one outside (if existed) reminds me Steven Mark control coil which safetly limited the rising of voltage on output and the one in center I have a feeling was somehow related to the method of starting device. maybe all transformers primaries were in series and that one in center was the middle and used to start-up by initial current impulse ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #699 on: February 18, 2014, 08:35:21 AM »
Hi Forest:

Air gaps were present. How big they are -  I have not measured nor bothered.

and whether they have any effect. - I do not know.

What is Steven Mark control coil  - Can you post information and pictures on that..Would be obliged.

Hubbard design - I'm working on it. When it starts working I will post pictures and how to construct etc..

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« Reply #700 on: February 18, 2014, 09:52:33 AM »
It is correct that when you provide air gap between cores, it causes addition of fluxes produced by all three solenoids. But when you provide air gap between solenoids, the fluxes produced by solenoids will not flow as freely as when without air gap because iron being a very strong magnetic material holds the flux within itslef and will not allow the flux to pass through the air gap and reach the next core.  To compensate for this you have to pass a very strong current through primary producing stronger flux. ( somewhere NRS has mentioned that 'higher the voltage higher will be output'. Higher voltage will cause higher current depending on power availability producing stronger flux).

If you want to make it self-running,  the number of turns in secondary should be corresponding to the current required by primary.  So you have to correctly design the core, number of turns in primary and secondary with suitable air gap.  If not you may have to do several 'trial and errors'  before you end up with something interesting.

Just by meddling with few wires and iron rods you cannot make a working device.


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« Reply #701 on: February 18, 2014, 11:37:54 AM »
Hi Newton II:

I think there is a miscommunication here. What do you mean by air gap?

By air cap I meant that there is an air cap between the outer plastic tubes on which we wound wires. Iron rods are continuous. Same rod may go between two different solenoids. There is no air gap between iron rods but between the plastic tubes that are P1,S and P2. We simply dumb the rods and then hammer them to be very tightly fit. There may be air gaps between rods but not exactly at the points you mention..It is not built like that..You see iron rods are cut to 17 inches. Plastic tubes are cut to 18 inches and then we ensure that no air gap between iron rods are present as that creates a lot of noise. If all iron rods are very tightly packed the noise is reduced. In that respect there is no air gap between in the iron core in the junctions of P1,S and P2. Air gap exists between the plastic tubes for they are cut tubes.


And we cannot have two iron rods with opposite poles standing with air gaps. Against common sense. Magnets with opposite poles with be attracted to each other and stick to each other. Whether they are permanent magnets or electromagnets..



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« Reply #702 on: February 18, 2014, 11:46:41 AM »
Hi Newton II:

When you say self running... Do you mean to say that we must provide exact wattage consumed by the primary back to the primary for it to self run or in exact voltage:amperage combination apart from exact wattage.. For example if I provide the feedback from a lower voltage and higher amperage but similar wattage as feedback from thick wires,  would it become higher voltage lower amperage combination automatically due to the fact that the primary has thinner and so higher resistance wires..Can you clarify on this point please.. I'm obliged..

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« Reply #703 on: February 18, 2014, 12:07:00 PM »
You can find some information about Steven Mark TPU here : http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator Nobody knows the details , like for many OU devices, but Steven MArk has given enough information to realize that it is a self-running ,self-feeding device composed of coils alone.The control coils are there to limit the output voltage as in other case it will immediately vaporise due to extensive power runaway. I found in one newspaper about Hubbard description of a wires wound around the device, maybe for the same purpose (to contradict runaway action by magnetic field resistance?) All that is not much important as it is only my intuition...


Can you clarify that you have 3 separate coils each of his own PVC tube ? How they are connected , glued together ? Previosuly I thought that it was all on one single PVC tube with 3 cores inside.

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« Reply #704 on: February 18, 2014, 01:49:33 PM »
Hi:

What you call as steven Mark coil is MOLINA-MARTINEZ, Alberto coil.. It is nothing but a Hubbard coil. No patent granted for it  for it is a violation of Law of Conservation of Energy. No Steven Mark coil but it is a MOLINA-MARTINEZ coil..Patent was obviously refused. This is nothing but a three phase Figuera device. In fact the Figuera device itself could be three phase but because I do not understand Electrical Engineering and three phase, I made it a single phase one. The output I recorded is correct from the information on this coil. All videos have disappeared but I located the patents. They are based on the way the Earth works. It is a 24 coil Hubbard coil rather than a 8 outer coil Hubbard coil..Your description of runaway control is wrong but it does it differently.

 

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