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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1613395 times)

Offline ALVARO_CS

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #645 on: February 16, 2014, 01:25:05 PM »
Sorry for the mistake, I tried to edit my post, to attach a bigger image, but could not erase the small one.
Both are identical
(there is air gap between cores)


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #646 on: February 16, 2014, 01:31:23 PM »
ALVARO_CS

You have not marked the poles in both the figures..

The poles are like this NS - NS - NS   

The South pole of P1 faces the North pole of secondary and the south pole of secondary faces the North pole of P2.. Secondary is located between the two opposite poles of P1 and P2. Whether they are south or north does not matter as I do not know which one is south and which one is North and in any case in AC current poles reverse 50 times a second. But the poles must be opposite poles to enjoy the forces of magnetic attraction..

There is no magic here. We do not have any device that uses the forces of magnetic attraction. Look at an Induction Generator. It is an induction motor that uses the forces of magnetic repulsion but is boosted to rotate faster than the magnetic field to produce electricity due to mechanical energy imparted to it by mechanical means. Figuera clearly describes that this is not needed if we use the forces of magnetic attraction and since the charges between opposite poles are opposite charges, Lenz law is not applicable here.

If you send a rocket up, it needs a lot of energy to go up against gravity. when the energy is expended it stops and then falls back to earth. Its speed is initially zero and as it falls its speed keeps on increasing due to gravitational pull. Right..A body of fixed mass with increasing velocity would increase the energy of the body..So between opposite poles the increase of voltage and amperage is normal. There is no violation of law of physics as far as I can see it. There is no magic here. It is normal common sense and we find this to be experimentally correct.

Please do replicate the experiments and see for yourselves..I have not hidden any thing..

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #647 on: February 16, 2014, 01:36:55 PM »

@ALVARO_CS


That figure looks remarkable.  Such an arrangement should cause addition of fluxes from all wires  resulting in tremendous output from middle secondary.  Have you tried it?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #647 on: February 16, 2014, 01:36:55 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #648 on: February 16, 2014, 01:42:57 PM »
Newton II:

Not very tremendous..It increases by 6 times to 8 times. Higher the voltage, higher the amperage.

Hi Forest:

Yes,..You are correct that Hubbard device is similar to Figuera device..I'm working on it and I hope I can replicate it.. Let us wait and see.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #649 on: February 16, 2014, 01:46:12 PM »
Hi Forest:

All wires are 4 sq mm wires that can carry up to 24 amps.

Both secondary and primary are only 4 sq mm wires.

We bought coils after coils of wires of 4 sq mm only. Then put them all together and wrapped up them to make a quadfilar coil. I do not remember the exact number of layers of primary but it was four layers and both primary sides had the same number of layers and same number of turns. Then the magnetic field strength is approximately equal.

However the resistor effect may be there due to the current circulating four times in the primary P1 first before it went to P2 where it circulated another four times before it returned to mains.

Will it have any effect? I really do not have any theoretical knowledge on this part. Nor do I have equipment to measure these things nor I have knowledge or experience in handling such equipment or even what those equipment are..


4 mm square ? that's quite thick wire, how big is you transformer then so it only consume 7 amps in primary ? sound like a lot of turns is required for that at 220V. To be completly clear may I ask : did you connected quadfilar once after finishing all layers of primary with 4 wires coming together or did that for each layer separately ? sorry, if it's obvious but I want to see all details.
Maybe would be possible to make small model of device for testing using thinner wires, for example one with 21 insulated strands

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #650 on: February 16, 2014, 01:47:06 PM »
@ NRamaswami

I drew the cores in red-to-blue color to indicate the two polarity in same element.
As you say, they change depending of time due to AC.
This way of coloring, is a conventional representation that means two polarity.
It is used commonly when representing the two poles of a magnet. Therefore in the setup drawn, opposite poles are facing.

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« Reply #651 on: February 16, 2014, 01:52:19 PM »
@NewtonII
I tried a similar one WITHOUT the two secondary beneath the primary, and without AC, but pulsed DC via a double commutator.
I`ll keep on going

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #652 on: February 16, 2014, 02:04:49 PM »
Hi Forest:

I said it earlier.. We have used 1300 metres of 4 sq mm wire in building the device. Each core 18 inches long. And so we had electromagnets for about 5 feet for the rods were coming out of the tubes on both the sides. So it is about 5 feet long. I think the rods would have weighed about 150 kg of soft iron. You need bulkier iron core to have a lot of turns. Small iron core does not work. Each core when wound with a single wire has 80 to 90 turns..This is because we have used the same wires again and again and cut them and then connected them again using tapes and at these places the wire is thicker and so we do not get the same number of turns.

Larger the diameter and longer the length better is the output.

I do not know the theory and so I can only tell you how much the voltmeter and ammeter showed. I cannot even guarantee that the devices are perfect for the devices are cheap analog devices.

You can also use pulsed DC but the results are better with AC than with pulsed DC.. But for feedback purposes I think pulsed DC would be easier to implement..

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« Reply #653 on: February 16, 2014, 02:06:26 PM »
ALVARO_CS:

thank you for the explanation. I did not know that color scheme.

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« Reply #653 on: February 16, 2014, 02:06:26 PM »
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« Reply #654 on: February 16, 2014, 02:15:10 PM »
Hi Forest:

I am not able to understand the question on Quadfilar primary..

What we did is as follows..

1. Wind single layer secondary on tube 1 acting as P1. Each turn may have about 85 to 90 turns. Wind three layers of wire. Go down first from top to bottom and then come in the same direction from bottom to top and then go down again from top to bottom always winding in the same direction.

2. Now wind the 4 wires which are in parallel to each other as primary again as above but here the quadfilar coil ends at the top and not at the bottom of the tube.

3. When the winding is completed for four layers or six layers of such quadfilar coil, connect the end of the first wire to the beginning of the second wire and end of second wire to the beginning of the third wire and the end of the third wire to the beginning of the fourth wire.

4. Now wind a similar P2.

5. Now wind the secondary single layer of multiple layers.

6. Place all them. Now connect the end of the P1 fourth wire to the beginning of the P2 wire 1.

7. Connect all three secondaries in series and connect them to load.

8. . Input is given to the beginning of P1 first wire and end of P2 fourth wire.

That completes the set up..Variations to increase the rate of change of magnetic flux are possible but I have not tested them yet..

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #655 on: February 16, 2014, 03:56:06 PM »
NRamaswami
First I would like to thank you for posting all this information. I spent six weeks full time last year trying to duplicate Figuera's device and failed and I am very happy to see some positive results. I believe you have given me enough information  to replicate except for one detail. You mention iron rod for cores. In this country there are many products still called iron but they are in fact steel. Many experimenters here use steel welding rod that has been either painted with lacquer or oxidized with rust for electromagnet cores. Did you use something similar or is iron rod much more common in India? I can buy cast iron rod for dollars a pound or pure iron rod but it is dollars per gram. I hope you can help.
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« Reply #656 on: February 16, 2014, 04:56:40 PM »
Hi:

Thanks..We used soft iron rods. You go to junk shops and these rods would be available. If you get steel only it is not a problem really. Steel is supposed to retain some magnetism but when we apply AC, you do not need to worry about it really. For AC would demagnetize any magnetism that is present. We did not have any insulation for soft iron rods and did not bother about hystersis loss or eddy current loss. One of my friends criticised me for not covering the rods with insulation but we simply cut costs. We bought from junk shops to cut costs. 

This device is very very simple to make.

Create a powerful high voltage high amperage secondary in module 1.

Then create a step down secondary in module 2. But step it down to some where near or slighltly higher voltage than the input of module 1.

Now you can simply power the source of the power for module 1 from the output of module 2. Since the output is higher in module 2, the remaining output is used for useful work.

If you can handle high voltages and high amperages,  build more modules than that and make the last module a step down one.  Higher the voltage in the device output, higher would be the amperage. This is the difference here.

But be extremely careful..The voltage that comes out is very high and Ammeters do not show any amps when the voltage is up to 250 volts when they are not connected to load. When it went up to 630 volts the Ammeter showed 20 amps at no load and that indicates a very strong current is also present as the voltage increases.

This will require a lot of man hours and winding will have to be done by hand as all wires are thick insulated wires. It takes a lot of time, effort and money. If it is going to be very costly to replicate in US, we can do it in India since we have already done the project here. We will only need to build the second core now, insulate every thing with plastic and paper and then do this experiment. The step down part requires expensive copper cables which are highly insulated with thick plastic or rubber insulation like those used on the batteries of 5 Kw inverters. They should be able to carry 100 amps of current at least. That is where it gets costly here in India. Another cost is man hours. It costs money to get both unskilled labour and skilled people. Skilled people are needed only for oscilloscope and that kind of stuff but I'm not worried about it as we now know the device performs best under the conditions described. We have used pulsed DC also and the device does not perform well in pulsed DC. I do not know why for I expected that the impedance would be lower in pulsed DC and the results should be better in pulsed DC but to the contrary only when we apply AC we get good results in the secondary. Possibly when we provide a feedback current, the lower efficiency of pulsed DC would be compensated I guess. But guesses are just guesses and experimental results are different from our expectations and calculations.

Since many of the people were going wrong here I posted the experimental results.

Do not bother about steel or any thing else. Ac will demagnetize any magnetism present. Even if it is present, do not worry. Just take action and see the results..Do not go for expensive materials and cut costs..This project has eaten a lot of my money..


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #657 on: February 16, 2014, 05:19:37 PM »
Hi,

What about using 3 light bulbs or 3 heaters in series to reach the 630 volts: 220 V + 220 V + 220 V . Maybe you could use some heaters (resistors) to test the output in a simple way.

Good luck with your tests.

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« Reply #658 on: February 16, 2014, 05:36:06 PM »
Hanon:

Three lights would not consume 630 volts. Lights would burn out if the voltage exceeds 270 volts. We need to step them down before we can give it to any load. Same is the case with heaters.

I can not take risks. We would not give any voltage higher than 250 volts to any load. I'm not experienced in high voltage experiments and this is both high voltage and high amperage and is very risky.

So we would better take safety measures than take risks..

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« Reply #659 on: February 16, 2014, 05:50:48 PM »
I just want to make one acknowledgement for the results of my experiments.

I was mentored and trained by Mr. Patrick J Kelly PJK who has shut down his website. I emailed him on Feb 8, 2013 when I had no knowledge on these subjects and Patrick asked me to try to replicate Hubbard and then guided me. The guidance was not on point and there were many misconceptions. Then Patrick had a health problem and he retired. He has now given his website to another person in Europe.

I have not mentioned Patricks name for without his consent I did not want to disclose his mentorship but only now I have received an email from him complimenting me and approving my desire to acknowledge this support. He is the person who planted the seed for doing all these experiments in me and without his mentorship and guidance we would not have come to where we are today. All credits go to Figuera, Hanon and Patrick..Without Hanon Figuera would have remained in the shelves..

if you look closely at Figuera's designs and patents he advocates using the foces of magnetic attraction rather than the forces of magnetic repulsion. However in the one we are considering he has combined the effect of both the forces of magnetic attraction and magnetic repulsion together to get a higher output.

To be honest, we also did not believe the results initially but when the ammeter burnt out we knew that current is there.

If you look closely at Don Smith patent on generating energy from capacitors which are suspended on high voltage and high frequency magnetic rod, Don Smith has omitted the fact that the magnetic rod must be placed between the two opposite poles of two primaries.  Once that is done the rest of the results would fall in place.

So only due to the Guidance of Patrick I was able to initiate and start the experiments. When he left we persisted with our efforts and got the results. He has read the forum posts and is very appreciative of me and I feel really very obliged.

 

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