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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1573625 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #585 on: February 15, 2014, 01:57:33 PM »
Regarding the silly claim part.. I suggest that you take a small transformer. Place copper sheets and plastic sheets beneath it and cover it on sides with copper sheets and then plastic sheets. Insulate it except for the input and output wires.. See if the transformer works and produces current in the secondary.. Why call me silly when you have done the experiment..

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #586 on: February 15, 2014, 02:02:47 PM »
Power is not energy, voltage is not energy, current is not energy.

Generators work just fine in total vacuums. Wrapping a transformer completely in copper won't prevent it from working. You've made several statements that are simply total BS. "Self-sustaining" around here means that you can remove _all_ input sources of _energy_ and the device continues to operate. The Amplidyne is not self-sustaining and does not produce more ENERGY output than input. Neither does any device from Figuera. Neither does any device you can demonstrate.

Please stop posting utter fictions and distortions of reality. Please stop pretending to "teach" what you yourself do not know. If you make a claim, like your "generators don't work unless they have access to the atmosphere", that contradicts what we all know, then you really should provide some evidence that supports your claims. But of course you cannot.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #587 on: February 15, 2014, 02:07:31 PM »
Regarding the silly claim part.. I suggest that you take a small transformer. Place copper sheets and plastic sheets beneath it and cover it on sides with copper sheets and then plastic sheets. Insulate it except for the input and output wires.. See if the transformer works and produces current in the secondary.. Why call me silly when you have done the experiment..

I have transformers all around me that are completely encased in metal and plastic and they work just fine. Would you like to see photographs of them? This "experiment" is performed millions of times every day, by all the sealed, completely encased transformers in the world.  I challenge YOU to provide proof of this claim. Let's see your "experiment" where you do as you say. There is absolutely no empirical or theoretical support for your claim... so YOU are the one who needs to do the experiment and show your results so that they can be examined to find your ERROR.

Further, let's see you demonstrate your claim about generators and the atmosphere. That should be loads of fun. I'm sure NASA will be distressed to hear that their spacecraft power plants, waaaaay out there in space distant from all atmospheres, cannot generate electricity.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #588 on: February 15, 2014, 02:09:46 PM »
1. I'm not teaching any thing for I have made it clear that I'm not an Electrical Engineer.

2. What I have posted are results obtained and that can be verified and can be replicated by any one.

3. I do concede that I have not tested the self sustaining part. There is nothing to hide. The output voltage and amperage is very high and cannot be done without help from a trained Electrical Engineer. Safety first for me.

4. Space ships use only solar arrays and Nuclear materials based thermionic batteries. They can easily carry a powerful alternator..Why don't they do it?

Results that I stated are verifiable and replicatable by any one..Do the experiment and then shout me down..if the results are not there.

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« Reply #589 on: February 15, 2014, 02:20:19 PM »
You mix things up..

I said Transformers covered with copper sheets all around. Then plastic sheets placed on copper sheets. 

All transformers are made up of magnetising metals. Without iron transformers would not work. When transformers are covered by copper plates in the way I described they do not work. Your statement is transformers covered with metals. All transformers we see are covered with metals to dissipate heat but they are not copper but magnetisable metals.  My statement is non magnetic copper sheet covered by non magnetic non metallic plastic. Please post pictures of transformers fully covered with copper working fine..

In my experiments I have found that if we make the magnet very powerful current simply refuses to go to load. If the magnet is very powerful it simply eats the electricity given to it. I suggest that you wind a quadfilar coil around plastic tube of 4 inch diameter and wrap on that another plastic sheet and iron rods and then continue the winding in this fashion and after about 18 layers complete the quadfilar winding. Try to send the current through the quadfilar winding to a load and see if the load is able to get any power..

Zero.

Powerful magnet simply eats current given to it. I do not know why it happens. This is a result you can replicate easily.

I do not intend to teach any thing to any one. I'm just sharing the results of my experiments. Nothing more. If I have not done any thing, there is truthful admission that I'm yet to do it..I suggest that you replicate the experiments and then tell me please..


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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« Reply #590 on: February 15, 2014, 02:26:10 PM »
1. I'm not teaching any thing for I have made it clear that I'm not an Electrical Engineer.
It is perfectly clear that you are not an Electrical Engineer. It is also perfectly clear that you are trying to impart knowledge that you _believe_ you have, to others who you think don't have that knowledge. Please look up the definition of "Teach".
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2. What I have posted are results obtained and that can be verified and can be replicated by any one.

Where is the replication of your claim about wrapping a transformer in copper? Where is the demonstration that a generator will not work in a vacuum? Nowhere.
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3. I do concede that I have not tested the self sustaining part. There is nothing to hide. The output voltage and amperage is very high and cannot be done without help from a trained Electrical Engineer. Safety first for me.
There are plenty of people who can handle high voltage and amperage safely. I am one of them. You cannot provide any proof of any self-sustaining electrical device, and the reason has nothing to do with high voltages or currents.
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4. Space ships use only solar arrays and Nuclear materials based thermionic batteries. They can easily carry a powerful alternator..Why don't they do it?
Because something has to turn the alternator, or provide the force to drive linear alternators. It's simpler and cheaper at present to use solar arrays, but there are Stirling-cycle driven linear alternators operating in space as well. Do a little research!
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Results that I stated are verifiable and replicatable by any one..Do the experiment and then shout me down..if the results are not there.

Show me one single "replication" of your claim that wrapping a transformer in sheets of plastic and copper will make it stop working. Let's see your own demonstration of this. I want to know exactly how to wrap, because I have transformers, copper, and plastic, and I know how to make the necessary measurements. So when I see your demonstration, I'll repeat it and report my findings. Or, if you have some exact specifications as to the transformer, the copper, the plastic, the measurements you made.... please report them here.

You are making claims that are outrageous, and you cannot support them with real data. So far, anyway. What is preventing you from providing references that support your claims? What is preventing you from demonstrating that you might know what you are talking about? I know.... and so do you.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #591 on: February 15, 2014, 02:32:18 PM »
"Power is not energy, voltage is not energy, current is not energy."

This is your statement.. Pray tell me then what is Energy?

Amplidyne devices produced more output than input. It is in the patents. Patents that are granted. Devices that are used in US Navy and UK Navy ships during world war II.  They claim that every 1 watt of positive feedback the device produced up to 20000 watts of excess output. This is similar to sound amplification only.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #592 on: February 15, 2014, 02:36:16 PM »
You mix things up..

I said Transformers covered with copper sheets all around. Then plastic sheets placed on copper sheets. 

Show me. Make a dimensioned drawing, showing the exact placement of plastic and copper, and give the details of your measurements. Show some outside reference that supports your claim. Tell us why completely metal-sealed transformers still work, but magic copper and plastic makes them not work.
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All transformers are made up of magnetising metals. Without iron transformers would not work.

False. Utterly and easily demonstrably false. There are dozens of people laughing at you right now, because they, like me, all have transformers working that contain no iron, no magnetizing metals at all.

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When transformers are covered by copper plates in the way I described they do not work.

Also false. Demonstrate the validity of this remarkable claim by showing your experimental work.

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Your statement is transformers covered with metals. All transformers we see are covered with metals to dissipate heat but they are not copper but magnetisable metals.  My statement is non magnetic copper sheet covered by non magnetic non metallic plastic. Please post pictures of transformers fully covered with copper working fine..

You are being really really silly. YOU are making the claim that copper and plastic (what kind of plastic? I laugh...) will stop a transformer from working. Many people want to see YOUR demonstration of this. Why do you not show it? I know why: your "experiment" is an error.

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In my experiments I have found that if we make the magnet very powerful current simply refuses to go to load. If the magnet is very powerful it simply eats the electricity given to it.


More utter ignorant BS. Now you have more people than just me, laughing at you.

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I suggest that you wind a quadfilar coil around plastic tube of 4 inch diameter and wrap on that another plastic sheet and iron rods and then continue the winding in this fashion and after about 18 layers complete the quadfilar winding. Try to send the current through the quadfilar winding to a load and see if the load is able to get any power..

Zero.
Come on, demonstrate! It is up to YOU to provide demonstrations of your ridiculous claims.

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Powerful magnet simply eats current given to it. I do not know why it happens. This is a result you can replicate easily.

I do not intend to teach any thing to any one. I'm just sharing the results of my experiments. Nothing more. If I have not done any thing, there is truthful admission that I'm yet to do it..I suggest that you replicate the experiments and then tell me please..

You have shown nothing. You have made several claims that are utter fantasies. When... or rather IF... you  yourself are able to demonstrate the validity of any of your claims, that will be the time for others to try to "replicate" them.

"Powerful magnet simply eats current given to it."

That gets a ROFL, for sure.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #593 on: February 15, 2014, 02:42:49 PM »
Many thanks for accepting at least one of my statements that I'm not an Electrical Engineer.

I used a ready made 50 volts 16 amps step down transformer to do the experiment. It did not work when covered in the way I indicated.

The other large 18 layer device produced very strong magnetism but the current would not go to the lamps and power them up.

As I said when I time and money are available I do the experiments out of interest. I have tried to replicate the Alfred Hubbard device without success todate. However I do know one thing. The outer 8 coils are wound in this fashion. the first four coils are wound in clockwise direction and the next four coils are wound in ccw direction and only then in all the 8 coils magnetism is produced. Otherwise magnetism is not produced in the last four coils.

I will check your statement on the alternators working in space. My knowledge is limited and I continuously learn.

There is no intention to teach and only intention to share the results.

I strongly suggest that if you can handle high voltages and high amperages, please replicate the experiment of Figuera as described by me. And see the output voltage and amperage. And please be honest with results.

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« Reply #594 on: February 15, 2014, 02:44:38 PM »
"Power is not energy, voltage is not energy, current is not energy."

This is your statement.. Pray tell me then what is Energy?

Amplidyne devices produced more output than input. It is in the patents. Patents that are granted. Devices that are used in US Navy and UK Navy ships during world war II.  They claim that every 1 watt of positive feedback the device produced up to 20000 watts of excess output. This is similar to sound amplification only.

Energy is the ability to perform work. Energy is conserved. Volts, amps, watts: Not conserved, not energy.
Energy is measured in Joules (in the SI system). Amplidyne devices do not produce more _energy_ output than input. Go ahead, take the Amplidyne patents and make something from them that is self-sustaining, or that produces more energy out than in. You cannot.

The WATT is a measure of POWER not energy. I have a device right here -- a transformer that has no iron or any other magnetizable metal in it -- that produces 30,000 Watts output power from only 75 watts input. Why is it not self-sustaining? I know why.

At this point I doubt that you even understand "sound amplification only", if you don't understand the difference between a Watt and a Joule.

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« Reply #595 on: February 15, 2014, 02:49:48 PM »
No problem. give me two weeks time and I will rebuild the device and show the proof live if you want on the powerful magnet stopping the current to go to load.. This looks certainly ridiculous but I'm not able to understand why it happens and this is why I stated this..

I can also show live the results of the figuera device output. But I will reduce the number of turns to reduce the voltage to less than 500. When the voltage is reduced the amperage would also be reduced. But I guarantee that the output is higher than the input..Figuera did not cheat and there was no need for a professor of his calibre to come out with false statements.

I'm not a regular poster and I have a number of clients to serve and when time permits I will rebuild the device and post videos of on youtube and here. It is not a problem.. However if you are regularly in Electrical Engineering I suggest that you also do the experimentation and see if the results are replicated or not..

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« Reply #596 on: February 15, 2014, 02:50:18 PM »
Many thanks for accepting at least one of my statements that I'm not an Electrical Engineer.

I used a ready made 50 volts 16 amps step down transformer to do the experiment. It did not work when covered in the way I indicated.

The other large 18 layer device produced very strong magnetism but the current would not go to the lamps and power them up.

As I said when I time and money are available I do the experiments out of interest. I have tried to replicate the Alfred Hubbard device without success todate. However I do know one thing. The outer 8 coils are wound in this fashion. the first four coils are wound in clockwise direction and the next four coils are wound in ccw direction and only then in all the 8 coils magnetism is produced. Otherwise magnetism is not produced in the last four coils.

I will check your statement on the alternators working in space. My knowledge is limited and I continuously learn.

There is no intention to teach and only intention to share the results.

I strongly suggest that if you can handle high voltages and high amperages, please replicate the experiment of Figuera as described by me. And see the output voltage and amperage. And please be honest with results.

No, I will NOT do your homework for you! I challenge YOU to demonstrate any thing you have claimed.

Here are some of the claims you've made that I would like you to support with demonstrations or references of your own.

-Transformers will not work without iron or other magnetizable core.
-Generators don't work in vacuum.
-No electrical devices work without access to atmosphere.
-Wrapping a transformer in copper and plastic will stop it from working.
-The Amplidyne is self-sustaining and produces more output than input.
-Magnets eat electrical current.
-No current passes through your "18 layer quadrifilar iron rod" whatever device, even though the wire is continuous and not broken somewhere.

They look rather formidable when all gathered together, don't they. Just pick an easy one and demonstrate the validity of your claim.





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« Reply #597 on: February 15, 2014, 02:55:55 PM »
 
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Interesting thing is output is 630 volts and 20 amps at no load. I will need to take an electrical engineer and custom built a transformer to step down the voltage and then see if it can be tested to see if the amperage wattage shown is real. Until then let me keep quiet.

How do you get 20 amps output... if there is no load?

I am afraid you are way over your head here.

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« Reply #598 on: February 15, 2014, 02:56:56 PM »
This is actually a punch to me really. Earlier in posts Farmhand has claimed that a device cannot produce more output than input. Now you provide the proof that a device can provide more output than input. Why don't you show a video of your 30000 watts output transformer in youtube video for a 75 watts input..for the benefit of poor souls like me. Since it is your claim you can demonstrate it.

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« Reply #599 on: February 15, 2014, 03:08:37 PM »
Please check my first post. We got 630 volts and 20 amps in the Ammeter at no load. Since this was way too high for us we stopped. We need to build a transformer to step down the voltage to around 200 volts and then give it to the load lamps to check. Secondly I have had
50 Amps Ammeters burning out after showing 50 amps at no load. I would not believe that there was amps at no load if the Ammeters had not burned out..

The 4 sq mm wire is rated only for 24 amps. So we needed to buy a very expensive transformer and provide safety set ups. The Electrician who participated in this experiment passed away due to illness suddenly. So we kind of stopped all these things for a few months now.  We have also put up a small website www.tmptens.com where we are coming up with a different effort.

I can provide full description and show what we did and send you photos and if need be make videos. If you can handle the high voltages and high amperages, you may try to do the experiment. Given that you describe a very expensive transformer, money may not matter you. If you can replicate the experment please do so. I have funds problem and I will need time to redo all this. I have the wires but I have to hire people and redo the wiring manually. All wires are plastic insulated wires.

None of the statements are false. There is no intent to teach but only an intention to share the results. You can check it yourself and then let me know.  You appear to have access to good funds given your description of your transformer. That is in short supply here at the moment.

 

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