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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1613904 times)

Offline Farmhand

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #570 on: February 12, 2014, 08:31:59 AM »
To save some time has anyone worked out a resistor scheme for 12 volts input or done a series of drawings of current paths for each commutator position ? Anyone come up with a quick and nasty commutator design ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #571 on: February 12, 2014, 09:52:25 AM »
OK that's a slightly confusing setup, I was forgetting the resistor array is a constant loop.  :-[

I've got a series of pictures of all commutator positions and with the resistors that are bypassed marked. Now i'll try to work out a resistor scheme for 12 volts.

I have an idea or two for a commutator.

Cheers

OK I've read the patent two or three times and I've got a visual of how it would work with the battery in place, one brush that is in contact with two "contacts" at any time and the positive is connected to the brush which turns around the cylinder. The resistor array acts as a splitter so that the north and south magnets get a varying current ect.

But the thing for me is that the demonstration that was done was related to the other guys patents in 1910 and I would need to believe the output could sustain the resistive losses in the input side, as well as the feeding current and give output also. I just cannot believe the output could be more than the input.

We ought to be able to just feed it out of phase sine waves in this day and age, then use the extra output to power the sine wave generator and do away with the resistor array, brush and commutator setup.. 

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« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 02:16:03 PM by Farmhand »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #572 on: February 13, 2014, 09:21:15 AM »
Hi all,
 
I have found an interesting patent about the implementation of a dynamo into a motionless device (US5926083) by Asaoka based on changing the flux density of an open magnetic path. It requires an air-gap and a permanent magnet. I don´t know if this patent may have any relation with Figuera´s design but I think it will be worth to attach it  here for someone interested.
 
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #573 on: February 13, 2014, 05:30:21 PM »
Hi Farmhand,  now you know why I redrew the patent, you must get past the fact he doesn't explain the engineering details at all, just vague notions. Looks like you understand his basic design, its is all in my picture, no need to strain your head trying to figure out Figuera, I've drawn the figures, LOL :) regards Arto


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #574 on: February 13, 2014, 08:18:08 PM »
If we apply alternating current to a permanent magnet, the magnet will lose its magnetism in no time. Of course if you apply milliamps and millivolts it might not happen. These models are good for table top demonstrations. Not for industrial applications.

The US Patent cited is not related to the Figuera concept. The Figuera patent and design are totally different and use electromagnets. I have built a modified version of the Figuera device and it actually produces greater output than the input power. On the problem of self sustaining it I have not achieved yet but it can be done. No law of physics is violated here. The first self sustaining generator was built probably by McFarland and then by Tesla in 1890. It was a DC design and so he kept quiet. Figuera, Hubbard and Hendershot are the others and of which we have information only on Figuera thanks to the efforts of Hanon. The device works. I'm a patent Attorney and I read a lot of patents and when time and money are available I also do some research. I can confirm that we built an exact replica of Figuera and it did not work and then we modified it and the device worked perfectly well in that the output current was far higher than the input. 1540 watts input. 12600 watts output at no load. Interesting thing is output is 630 volts and 20 amps at no load. I will need to take an electrical engineer and custom built a transformer to step down the voltage and then see if it can be tested to see if the amperage wattage shown is real. Until then let me keep quiet.

I'm not an electrical engineer and am really surprised that most of the people have missed the importance of his 1902 patents which he sold for a lot of money at that time..

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #575 on: February 14, 2014, 03:13:20 PM »
To all,
I am giving up on the 32 pin electrical controller and making a 16 pin rotary.
I could not get both the plus and minus magnets to work. I plan to run the
16 pin controller at 1800 rpm to check things out then build a 1 to 2 ratio
pulley to get the 3600 rpm that should give me a 60 Htz sign wave. I will be
on track to build to the original design.

Shadow

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #576 on: February 15, 2014, 09:44:42 AM »
To Farmhand and Shadow:

You are off the mark.. What is the purpose of the rotary device..To create an interrupted or alternating current that will change signs when it moves from one point to another point.. When your mains supply is already alternating current the rotary device today is not needed and remove the rotary device and the resistor setup and just feed directly from the mains.. That way you get sign wave and 50 Hz or 60 Hz current automatically. Figuera did not disclose the best method of carrying out the invention and so he disclosed a weakest method of carrying out the invention. His disclosure substantially hides one important point. Both the primary electromagnets must be of equal strength for the device to work best. They should not be of weaker compared to one another. Of course his set up made the two electromagnets alternately stronger and weaker and we did not test that but in our tests we got the best results only when both the primary electromagnets are of equal strength.

Simply this is an amplifying transformer. Two step down transformers  acting as primary electromagnets set up in such a way that the opposite poles of the two are facing each other and in that place you place another secondary of many turns to step up the voltage. Then what you get is both amperage and voltage increase. In the step down transformers, amperage is increased and in the secondary between the two step down transformers voltage is increased. When all three secondaries are connected in series you get both a voltage and amperage increase. This is as simple as that.

The set up is NS - NS - NS  The bolded outer electromagnets are the step down transformers where the secondary is placed near the core and the primary of many turns and preferably bifilar or trifilar or quadfilar is wound upon it. I used Quadfilar primary. Secondarly is a single wire. In the middle electromagnet you increase the number of turns many times and many layers. In all I used about 1300 meters of 4 sq mm wire out of which about 500 meters were primary and 800 meters were secondary. The electromagnets were built on a plastic tube 4 inches in diameter and 18 inches length. We used soft iron rods to create the electromagnets. 3 such devices were placed in the NS-NS-NS configuration. That is all that is needed to test and verify the results. This device works.

However be careful. When you give 220 volts electricity the electromagnets take about 7 amps but the output is really dangerous 630 volts and 20 amps output..You may get more or less depending on the number of turns and depending on the input voltage.

This is a modular device. Figuera called it Generator Infinity. This is true. If you use the output of the first module to feed the second module and the output of the second module to feed the third module you are going to get increasing voltage and amperage. Any one can test it and see the results themselves. But be extremely careful as the resulting voltages are deadly as the amperage also is very high.

Making the device self sustaining is of no problem really. The output is high voltage and higher amperage. Secondary current will flow in the direction opposing the primary current. When you provide a step down transformer to use the electricity, the output of the step down transformer will flow in a direction oppising the feeding secondary current. So the output of the transformer will be in phase and synchronise with the primary input. Now all you need is a make before break change over switch and change the source of feeding current to the output of the transformer. A part of the transformer output is enough to keep the unit running. Rest of the transformer output is given to load. The original feeding current is removed and the system will continue to work. I have not done this part. But I think given this information any number of posters here can replicate the results.

If you use this in an Electric car, the car can run any amount of distance. Only thing is that we need to convert the AC output to pulsed DC output to run a DC motor or may be use a capacitor to make it a perfect DC current to run it. A Battery, an inverter and this set up and then converting to pulsed DC through a bridge rectifier and then a capacitor to make it perfect DC is all that is needed. May be use a solar panel to keep the battery charged. Since the battery would be used only at the starting time, it will not diminish and in any case the alternator present in the car will keep charging the battery.  This is an extremely simple device really and I do not know how you people who are all experienced electrical engineers have missed the mark.

Let me see comments that will call all this a mirage. But do test it yourself and check the results before calling my results bad..

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #577 on: February 15, 2014, 10:41:59 AM »


This is a modular device. Figuera called it Generator Infinity. This is true.


I hope the Thuth guides you. I always think in the 3000 million people without access to electricity in our world..

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« Reply #578 on: February 15, 2014, 10:54:50 AM »
Regarding the question as to how the output is higher than the input, the answer is simple. The secondary placed in the middle is not subject to Lenz law. Please see the exception to Lenz law here from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law#Conservation_of_momentum

When the induced electricity is created due to the interactions between two opposing poles, Lenz law does not apply. In other words the charges are opposite charges and the force is one of magnetic attraction and not magnetic repulsion. The voltage would continue to increase until it reaches the other pole. The amperge will remain the same and then the voltage will continue to increase in the second electromagnet as well. So in the result we get a much higher voltage and higher amperage output due to this set up.

If we are to compare this, if we are cycling uphill a lot of effort is needed to go up but if we are going downhill, no effort is needed except that we need to use brakes to reduce the increasing accleration of the cycle.

Many have also missed the fact that the secondary is placed also inside the primary to increase the amperage. If you do not place the secondary inside the primary as a step down setup you end up wasting that part of the electromagnet. This is present in only one line of the Buforn patent spanish versions. Buforn calls it is needed to get industrial level currents. That is only in one line.

The device uses a low input current and the rotary device which creates sparks. The function of sparks is to increase the frequency of the current and hence increase the voltage of the inducing current. If you want to test this, connect a lamp to your mains through a wire. Make a part of the wire open and use the tester to touch and tap the open wire to create mild sparks. See the voltmeter and the when the sparks come the voltage will shoot up. So the rotary device essentially created mini sparks and increased the voltage of the inducing current really. Again we do not need it today as we get 220 or 230 volt or 115 volt AC supplies today in almost all places.

Again regarding the law of conservation of energy, Buforn asks the interesting question where is the electricity coming from? A permanet magnet does not create any current. But when it is made to rotate and a coil of wire is palced around the rotating magnet, electricity is generated. What is the source of that electricity..Buforn answers that as the magnet interacts with the solar and cosmic radiations which continuously bombard Earth and give the energy to the earth to rotate. The rotating magnet interacts with the magnetic field of earth and acts as a focusing point and generates electricity in the coil. Read that part and that is very interesting. This is exactly in line with what Don Smith has claimed. This is open system that takes electricity from the atmosphere and the total energy of the system remains constant and the law of conservation of energy is not violated. Actually all energy producing systems are open systems but they are built and designed in such a way to work like isolated systems and it is these designs that are responsible for the wrong notions. Without access to atmosphere, no device can produce electricity. If you think about it all generators have access to or open to the atmosphere.

I have tested this by covering a transformer with copper plates on all sides and placed a copper plate beneath it and then covered it with layers of plastic and the transformer refuses to work. I have built devices where even the primary current will not go. Nothing in the secondary if no air is present and the device is covered fully like this..

Possibly I'm not an electrical engineer and have not learnt the electrical engineering subject in the proper way and so I ended up testing and finding these things to be correct. I strongly suggest that you test the NS-NS-NS setup as I have built check the results for yourself and then criticize me..

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« Reply #579 on: February 15, 2014, 11:52:40 AM »
Thanks Hanon:

I appreciate your thoughts on the millions of people without access to Electricity.

Only due to lack of knowledge, effort and money  people remain without electricity. Read Teslas patent on generating electricity using radiant energy. I will post some picture or video on generating electricity for free any where in the world in significant amount to light your own home. It is certainly doable. The problem is we can share knowledge. Effort and money has to be there to light the world. That is where big corporations score and they certainly are entitled to get the returns on their investment. All we can do is to share knowledge. 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #580 on: February 15, 2014, 12:25:55 PM »
NRamaswami

Thank you very much for your contribution.
Your posts make much sense to me (not EE also)
This quadrifilar primary you mentioned is (Tesla) series, or 4 insulated wires winded & connected in parallel ?

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« Reply #581 on: February 15, 2014, 01:26:51 PM »
Thanks for the good words..I actually did not expect to see good words on my posts..

Quadfilar wire is wound like this..

All wires run in parallel. End of first wire is connected to beginning of second. End of second connected to beginning of third and end of third connected to beginning of fourth wire. Input given to beginning of first wire and taken out at the end of fourth wire. I do not know how it is described in the Electrical engineering terminology..

Quadfiliar is primary.

First wind a single wire as a step down component and upon that wind the quadfilar primary. 

The components are like this NS - NS - NS Opposite poles always face each other in this set up. It can be SN-SN-SN as well.

The output from the first primary electromagnet goes to the input of the third electromagnet the second electromagnet acting only as a step up secondary. All three secondaries are connected in series to increase the voltage and amperage.

Results can be replicated and verified easily by any one..


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« Reply #582 on: February 15, 2014, 01:26:55 PM »
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Making the device self sustaining is of no problem really. The output is high voltage and higher amperage. Secondary current will flow in the direction opposing the primary current. When you provide a step down transformer to use the electricity, the output of the step down transformer will flow in a direction oppising the feeding secondary current. So the output of the transformer will be in phase and synchronise with the primary input. Now all you need is a make before break change over switch and change the source of feeding current to the output of the transformer. A part of the transformer output is enough to keep the unit running. Rest of the transformer output is given to load. The original feeding current is removed and the system will continue to work. I have not done this part. But I think given this information any number of posters here can replicate the results.

I think that you, like many others, pretend to teach what you actually do not know.

If it is "no problem really" to make the device self-sustaining, why have you not done this part? I know why... it is because it is more of a problem than you seem to think, and that YOU CANNOT DO IT.

In other words, you are making claims you cannot support with real data, outside checkable references, facts and calculations, demonstrations of your own.


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« Reply #583 on: February 15, 2014, 01:29:00 PM »
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Without access to atmosphere, no device can produce electricity. If you think about it all generators have access to or open to the atmosphere.

Now you are just being silly.

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« Reply #584 on: February 15, 2014, 01:52:10 PM »
Very well. we will try and post the results but I'm short of cash and we will do it. But I certainly cannot claim any credit for it even if we achive it. 

I suggest that you replicate the experiment and see if the results tally.

Regarding the self sustaining claim, check the patents on Amplidyne a device used extensively during world war II in US and British Navy ships.

If you cannot find the patents let me know and let me post them. In these devices the original current was maintained not removed. But for every watt of feedback current, the output increased by 20000 watts as the patents which are granted indicate.

The point to note is if the feedback current voltage is higher than the original input current, the original current would not go and there is no need for it. This is not theory. This is why Figuera has used a low voltage initial source and the feedback was higher voltage. At that point of time the original current is not needed as it would not go in. To do this all we need to do is build multiple modules and then connect the higher feedback to the original point with low voltage input.

If Radio amplification is doable and agreeable, energy amplification is also practical. This has been done in Amplidyne devices. Same principle was used by Figuera.  I'm sure you would agree if the initial current is not removed, the source of that current can be continuously energised by the output current. Is it not a self sustaining machine then?

 

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