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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1558471 times)

Offline NoMoreSlave

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #540 on: February 08, 2014, 05:35:05 AM »
hmm ...hanon asked the same thing!
I attached a spring layout file (Figuera-zip) containing some ideas that I am using to make my tests.
I upload it hier again.

Please improve it an share!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #541 on: February 08, 2014, 07:07:34 AM »
NMS.
FYI, you never uploaded file before,    ;D
btw, thank you for your quick response.     :)

edit
whatis lay6 extension,  is there any jpg/png/pdf  file?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #542 on: February 08, 2014, 09:38:34 AM »
@Farmhand,
Your comment is out of context. NMS was just reciting whatever is written in the Figuera's patents and/or in the news of the time. Why the SARCASM? Up to my knowledge no one has successfully replicated Figuera's devices. But, we are working on it!
I noticed that most of your comments are not constructive but meant to disappoint and sometimes disrupt the effort for replicating this device. Just because we have failed four, five, or ten times do not imply that Figuera's devices did not work. Based on the historical data and the reputation of the persons involved, I am confident that his devices work. Not only that, prior to knowing Figuera's work, I was working on similar devices based on the same principle. That is why it was so easy for me to figure out his work.
It is ok and productive to argue and challenge the work being done but it is not acceptable to make comments with the intention to show off, make people appears like idiots, or even try to discourage them from continuum their research on these devices.
Bajac

Which comment are you referring to ? As I recall I asked two questions directly related to the statement/claim that NMS made. If NMS has done it and can show it, that would be a big help, but just saying it is less than helpful.

I am not making comments with the intention to show off. I have humility enough to admit when I am wrong. No one is perfect.

I am not making people look like idiots, that would not be possible only we can make ourselves look like idiots, besides I am against personal attacks. I make comments about things or ask questions and people attack me personally and declare what my intentions are when they have no idea of my intentions, as well as make false claims about what I say. Misrepresent what I say and try to put words into my mouth that I did not say. 

I am not trying to discourage people from continuing to research anything.

But I am against inflating figures and hyping people up to encourage people to spend time experimenting with the hope of OU.

If we make a claim we should be able to back it up. Or show evidence to back it up.

Another thing that annoys me is the people making claims on behalf of Tesla, claims that Tesla never made.

Cheers


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #542 on: February 08, 2014, 09:38:34 AM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #543 on: February 08, 2014, 10:55:30 AM »
I want to say , that you who can read Spanish directly are at the best way to crack this out, translation to English is not correct in subtle nuances I think (but I don't know Spanish unfortunately just catch single words with many meanigful translations.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #544 on: February 08, 2014, 11:01:07 AM »
Hallo Marsing,
there is no pdf inside the file, only PCB traces of my setups.
google sprint-layout!

@Famhand,
I must admit that I was following you and other since a LONGTIME ago! Just observing, reading, understanding what is going on.
I read 100.100k of posts: kappa, SM, tesla this tesla that even in 7 different languages .....so I do really know what happened  around me! and what you are traying to say.

But that did not give you right to pies me off after MY FIRST POST!!!
Because I was just giving my own interpretation of the Figuera patents and devices like others perfectly understood AND also did!!
so please be polite and let’s work together because we are SLAVED!!!

Please look how OTTO is still remembered! Look Stievp and the hardworking, look Ufopolitics and others !...thousands of people, look how the world is waking and standing up!... That is my motivation to come here and share my opinion.
I WIL NEVER GIVE UP with or without your help, but it will be nice to have you know-how in our wagon!…so let’s start again!

Could you please tell me what technical aspect of the claims made by Figuera or my explanation/translation you find not correct?

Best wishes to all and everyone taking his time to tray to be FREE!
NMS

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #544 on: February 08, 2014, 11:01:07 AM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #545 on: February 08, 2014, 11:12:32 AM »
Hallo forest,
you have the spirit and the vision!!
I speak Spanish fluently as my mother tong (and other 6 languages) so I did give you my own interpretation of what I read in the original patents.
hanon did an excellent ACADEMIC translation. He was very precise. BUT the translation from one language to another ist not an easy task and should not be made -IMO- so perfectly (1:1 word translation), because of the cultural differences between US.

Best regards
NMS

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #546 on: February 08, 2014, 11:39:24 AM »
Hallo forest,
you have the spirit and the vision!!
I speak Spanish fluently as my mother tong (and other 6 languages) so I did give you my own interpretation of what I read in the original patents.
hanon did an excellent ACADEMIC translation. He was very precise. BUT the translation from one language to another ist not an easy task and should not be made -IMO- so perfectly (1:1 word translation), because of the cultural differences between US.

Best regards
NMS


Thank You ! I know I'm asking a big favour but can you and hanon join to prepare translations with all possible rational interpretations or troublesome sentences ? I'm not sure how to do that but just maybe some tricky words in all possible translations (I mean all having sense there ) in brackets ? It is a big flaw of description of Figuera genrators that we have no 100% sure description of both principle and embodiment details.




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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #546 on: February 08, 2014, 11:39:24 AM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #547 on: February 08, 2014, 11:59:07 AM »
...
...can you and hanon join to prepare translations with all possible rational interpretations or troublesome sentences ?
...

It needs not only a good command of the language but you have to be 'at home' in the technical background of the topic too.  This is what a translator should combine, or it is fortunate if  both the language and the expertise are present.  Add to this requirement the always problematic  and often special  'patent language' and the fact that the era was more than a 100 years earlier.  This forum enviroment may help to join and add forces.

Gyula

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #548 on: February 08, 2014, 12:16:05 PM »
NMS,


what is the software application you are using to generate the PCB layouts?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #548 on: February 08, 2014, 12:16:05 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #549 on: February 08, 2014, 12:30:18 PM »
I agree absolutely  with you Gyula, it’s like cracking or decompiling some hex code written by others  :(

Even for the English people, reading an original English patent isn’t an easy task, because they are written to cause that sensation of ambiguity but at the same time to give the inventor the possibility to protect his work and that is also correct.

As I said the translation done by hanon is excellent, but we should maybe make some “tweaking” to make it readable for us today.
I will try to comment the hanon´s works if he gives me his permission to do so. or we can just comment online what is not understandable.

@bajac,
I use Sprint-layout 6 from abacom:
http://www.abacom-online.de/uk/html/sprint-layout.html


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #550 on: February 08, 2014, 12:46:37 PM »
NMS,


Thanks for your response. But, I also wanted to ask you, how easy is this application to use? I tried a similar application before and it was not user's friendly.

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« Reply #550 on: February 08, 2014, 12:46:37 PM »
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« Reply #551 on: February 08, 2014, 01:07:06 PM »
it is the simplest one and very convenient for what we are doing hier!
in youtube you can find some tutorials to speed up the learning curve.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #552 on: February 08, 2014, 07:35:39 PM »
Hanon,


I have thought a lot about why Figuera's patents look so incomplete. Were these patents tampered with after filing? Patent #30378 reads "...for this generator whose form and arrangements are shown in the attached drawings, ....and the induced circuit is marked by a thick line of reddish ink..." Was there more than one page of drawings? Where is the thick red line representing the secondary coils?


It is very suspicious!!!

Hi all,

First I really feel very happy after watching the forum response to the new enthusiam injected by NMS. I am really glad for the collaborative side of this forum and I have noted that many people keep on flowing this thread although sometimes may seem to be idle. Many people is folling this thread because we know of the potential of this device. Soon or later we will change the world. I will kile to help more with the test but my equipment and knowledge is very limited.

NMS, You are free and welcome to improve my traslation. For taht reason I kept in the pdf files the original spanish text, in order to avoid loosing those details in possible future translations. If you get a finer translation please send them to me for uploading and updating those in the website www.alpoma.net

About the question from Bajac the 1902 patents:

I went twice to the Archive of the Spanish Patent Office. I could get the patent 30376,30377 and 30378 which were not yet into the public (previously just 30375 and 44267 (the one form year 1908 were public). Those patent were very damaged by humidity (you can see it in the drawings) that the clerks in the archive did not let me to scan it. I could open the documents, read them and make pictures of them. You may order by email a scan of any historical patent  to the Archive and they send it to you by email  but They don´t scan those damaged patents, so I had to go there to look for some pictures by myself. Even in one of them I was advised by the clerk to not to open it. As I was sat in a far corner from the clerk and he was sat oriented to the other side of the room I did not make any case of his statement and I opened it to make the pictures... All for the betterment of this world. I confess that some sheets were really damaged and I broke some edges slightly during my work. But as a counterpart now we have that info to share it and IMPLEMENTED!!

Figuera filed 4 patents in 1902. Four days after filing them we have a telegram published into a newspapers where he stated that he had sold the patent to an international banker union.

In the patent attached files I could find that originally there were no more drawings than those we have. In the patent data base it is written the number of drawing: 1 drawing or 0 drawing, but noone with  2 drawing. Also in this patent database it is written the number of copies provided by the the author during the filing. In all cases Figuera gave 2 copies of each patent.

But in the files there is now just one copy of all of them, except for the patent 30375 that the file contains the two refereed copies. In the case of patent 30378 were the "reddish ink to mark the induced wire" is missing I have always wonder if the second copy would have drawn that line. I don´t know what happen to the second copy.

One month or so after filing the patent it is published in the Patent Office Official Bulletin that Figuera  was requested to correct some formal requirement into the patent text. The patent were noted to have some details missing (as polarities, wire connections or even the scale of the drawing missing). Figuera were advice to correct those formal requirements in certain period of time.

As he did not correct those details the patent were cancelled. The cancellation appeared in another  publication of the bulletin. I didn´t realeased this info until now because this is the proper kind of info that non-believers use to attach. Please note that Figuera did make many public demostrations and he had many witnesses of his generator. He was a high reputed man of his time. Non-believers: the cancellation was just consequence of not correcting the formal details, not because as you will be saying that the patent validity

I thought for myself that as Figuera had sold those patent he had no more intention to keep them in force, so maybe he refused to correct those requirements.

What it is really true is that after selling the patent there were 6 years where there is no mention to Figuera. He stopped appearing in news papers and nobody else keep on talking about his system. I am afraid he was forced to keep silence

He just filed his 1908 patent one or two weeks before his death. I think he wanted to leave his legacy with this patent. If he was about to die maybe he did not take care of the prior non-diclosure agreement that maybe he signed with his good friend the bankers, those who undertook his invention from the world.....Always the same history.... Now In Spain we have a 25% of unemployment due to our crisis (created just by the bankers and the politicians...


Regards

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #553 on: February 08, 2014, 08:03:58 PM »
Hanon: Many thanks for your brilliant detective work.
I have a couple of questions.
In the UK copies of patents are held in Reference libraries up and down the country.
Is there a chance that there may be better copies in the Spanish reference library system?
In the UK there are also technical journals in the library system.
Is there a chance that there are old Spanish technical journals  dealing with Figuerea's inventions?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #554 on: February 08, 2014, 11:59:22 PM »
Hanon,


THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION!!! It is really educational.


I think if you release all information including the bulletins, there will be more people involved trying to solve the Figuera's puzzle.


Even though a patent represents a protection of an intellectual property, it is treated like any other property deeds. Once sold, Figuera no longer had any legal authority to answer to the Patent Office Actions. It is clear that from the beginning the true intention of the Bankers was to just let the invention die.




 

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