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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1612688 times)

Offline hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #525 on: January 28, 2014, 01:03:45 AM »
Hi Doug,

The newspaper references correspond to the 1902 generator which was witnessed by many people and journalist generating 15 HP .  I can not assure which was the actual current output from that machine because the input was stated to be intermittent. The 1902 patents are very poor in details.

Later on, the design evolved into the final patent/device: the 1908 patent metions that the output from the 1908 generator may pass by a conmutator to convert it into direct current if required. Therefore I suppose that the 1908 device produced AC (or a kind of AC wave)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #526 on: February 06, 2014, 08:20:15 PM »
Hallo Everyone,
this is my first post in OU so please bear with me!
I was reading and following the evolution of different forums and threads related to “Free energy”, and one of most directly related is this one: Figuera Generator.
I took my time to read an re-read the patents and I read also all available information in English and Spanish languages posted here and there by hanon, bajac and other members.
So I did my home work before trying to register here in OU and give my opinion about the invention of Mr. Figuera.

The most significant patent IMO is that one with a rotary commentator. This one tray to SIMULATE or EMULATE the principal of the Dynamo “faraday induction effect”.
In order to get into the subject of his invention, Mr Figuera, took his time to make an introduction to the classical dynamos/generators:
In order to understand what they are, he started by observing the rotation of the rotor (with the induced coil) between the two OPPOSITE poles of two magnets or electromagnets (very known concept).
Then he made his critics regarding this solution (introduced by Gramme, Werner von Siemens, Paxii and others), and he based his opinion explaining the problem with dragging (Lenz low)and subsequently the more energy needed to rotate the rotor, so making them inefficient (energy transformer device).

His solution was: no more moving “rotor” (that means no more energy needed to break the dragging) but instead he was moving magnetic field making so a solid state power generator (analog to the Columbus Eggs or the rotating magnetic field in the Tesla`s patents). And the power needed to create this moving magnetic field is very small and it could be derived from the output power of the device, therfore his device is a generator (not a transformer!).

He invented actually a kind of Resistor ladder (known today as R-2R ladder or DAC), so he could change the tow excitation currents in a complementary fashion, and then supplying them to the 2 primary coils of a transformer (like modern inverters BUT with a different sequence of excitation)!

The construction of his generator was not different from the known dynamos at that time! U-Shape with tow electromagnet and the collecting coil+armature in between them at the free ends, that is all!
He also stated, a small gape OR no gape at all is needed, because there is no need to move or rotate anything, so simple that it does not need any explanation! (they said)

In reality there is no limitation to any kind of shape, you can take any transformer make tow primaries and one secondary and you get a generator (IMHO you can even take a bar of iron or laminatetd core an do the same thing!). maybe the primaries wound a la Tesla bifilar are a must!

The tricky part is the sequence of the tow excitation currents in complementary fashion.  Just like “Arm wrestling” but in a synchronized way.

The 0 current in the output take place when the two primaries current have the same value, because they are creating a N and S poles with the same magnetic field potential in each side of the secondary core.
So indeed he was producing alternating current due to the alternating magnetic polarity created by the two electromagnet working together and at the same time by increasing one and decreasing the other ! (2 trianular waves taking only positive values at 90 deg phase)
I tried to replicate the same commutating solution with a PCB, but the precision was not good and I forgot the most important fact described in the patent:
There must be at least TWO contacting point every time! That means, “abruptly” excitation or de-excitation ARE NOT ALLOWED. No collapsing magnetic field is allowed.

That was the error I made. Now I am trying to make a better commutator, and i am also trying to make a better electronics in order to replace the rotating commutator.

I will share my design of the PCBs and the arduino code (based on public domain version).

Working together and sharing experiences and opinions in a constructive way is the most important step to find the solution for our common problem (make our self’s free!).
Just for your information, the Spanish government created a new low for this year in order to eliminate any alternative energy for personal use by paying taxes more expensive as the price of the grid!!..and  they call it democracy…my post is a claim of the human right to be free for whatever we want to do with our life if we don’t take others freedom.

I m very proud to be part of this revolution and happy to be with you in this hard way!
Best regards
NMS (NoMoreSlave)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #527 on: February 06, 2014, 08:40:06 PM »
Some documents of my work

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NMS

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #528 on: February 07, 2014, 07:35:42 AM »
And the power needed to create this moving magnetic field is very small and it could be derived from the output power of the device, therfore his device is a generator (not a transformer!).
Best regards
NMS (NoMoreSlave)

Care to demonstrate the claim you made that I made bold text ?

Have you actually created a rotating magnetic field device and drawn more energy from it than is input to it ?

Cheers

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #529 on: February 07, 2014, 09:03:17 AM »
This is related to our "contest" about what Tesla archieved with his magnifying transmitter. Activity - you think it is just a synonym for pulse power and there is no OU related , but I think Tesla got OU everytime and his talks about power magnification by capacitor discharge is about real continous POWER OUTPUT.


Ok, I found another gentle tip that nobody understood Tesla but he was not much eager to correct precisely what he got because it was that missing part not included in patents which gave him  advantage over Marconi and others...


I would not said that here but it's related, very deep related.


Here is that tip:


"The arrangement was simply this.  I  had a  number of studs
with cups which were insulated,  24 if I  recollect rightly.  In
the interior was a  mechanism that lifted the mercury, threw it
into these cups, and from these studs there were thus 24
little streamlets of mercury going out. [*]  In the meantime,
the same motor drove a  system with 25 contact points, so that
for each revolution I  got a  product of 24 times 25 impulses,
and when I  passed these impulses  through a  primary, and excited with it a  secondary,  I  got in the latter complete waves
of that frequency.


Counsel
What frequency,  then,  did you get in your secondary?


Tesla
Oh, I  could get in this,  600 per revolution.


Counsel
You mean 600 trains?

Tesla
No, 600 waves.  Assume then,  600 impulses per revolution
and suppose that I  rotated it 100 times per second [6,000
RPM]; then I  would get 600 times 100, or 60,000 primary impulses  [per secondJ,  and in the secondary a  frequency of
60,000 complete cycles.  The primary impulses were unidirectional.  They came from the direct current source, but in the
secondary they were alternating -- full waves.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #530 on: February 07, 2014, 09:12:15 AM »
I don't know how hard is to grasp the simple idea that all this free energy is ...something you use everyday but you must not use it without proper paper to use it  >:( >:( >:(  C'mon you must know what I'm talking about
for example about... http://pesn.com/2011/06/11/9501844_Magnacoaster_Keeps_Coasting_Without_Product_Deliveries/ 
what caused them to delay delivery ? some regulations laws which they were hard to avoid because they use that for amplification....  :P

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #531 on: February 07, 2014, 01:58:37 PM »
 You are very welcome! NMS.
The more people we have working on the Figuera's concept, the higher the probability to break the shell. By all means, your opinion counts.
Based on my experience building this device, the tricky part is not the generation of the two excitation voltages but the construction of the electromagnets. That is where the invention lies. Of course, there is the important task of adjusting the correct voltage level to the impedance of the primary coils.
I have been making adjustments and getting different performances from this device. It is a lot of work but also a lot of fun! While waiting for the delivery of some components to build the excitation circuit, I have been reading newspaper articles, patents, and any information available from Figuera's time. Something that called my attention is the following passage from the 1902 Spanish patent #30375:
"As the soft iron core of a dynamo becomes a real magnet from the time when current flow along the wire of the induced circuit, we think that this core must be formed or constituted by a group of real electromagnets, properly built to develop the highest possible attractive force, and without taking into account the conditions to be fitted in the induced circuit, which is completely independent of the core."
I think "properly built" implies that this device has some peculiarities and requires adjustment of critical parameters, i.e., high number of turns, the right dimensions of the air gaps and iron cores, etc., in order "to develop the highest possible attractive force." Does the latter implies high intensity of the magnetic fields?
@Farmhand,
Your comment is out of context. NMS was just reciting whatever is written in the Figuera's patents and/or in the news of the time. Why the SARCASM? Up to my knowledge no one has successfully replicated Figuera's devices. But, we are working on it!
I noticed that most of your comments are not constructive but meant to disappoint and sometimes disrupt the effort for replicating this device. Just because we have failed four, five, or ten times do not imply that Figuera's devices did not work. Based on the historical data and the reputation of the persons involved, I am confident that his devices work. Not only that, prior to knowing Figuera's work, I was working on similar devices based on the same principle. That is why it was so easy for me to figure out his work.
It is ok and productive to argue and challenge the work being done but it is not acceptable to make comments with the intention to show off, make people appears like idiots, or even try to discourage them from continuum their research on these devices.
Bajac
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 01:35:01 AM by bajac »

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #532 on: February 07, 2014, 02:06:46 PM »
which is completely independent of the core.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #533 on: February 07, 2014, 06:22:04 PM »
Forest,
 
I was wondering if "completely independent of the core" means that the induced currents in the secondary coils are completely independent of the iron core size. I have previously stated that once the primary magnetic field is established, the secondary currents will depend on the gauge of the secondary wire and not the primary current. I came to this conclusion because if the interaction of the magnetic fields between the primary and secondary coils is minimum (minimum effect of Lenz's law), then, the output current shall be independent of the primary current. That is, there is no fixed current ratio for this device.

I will try to read the original Spanish patent to make sure there is no translation error.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #534 on: February 07, 2014, 09:18:33 PM »
Hallo Bajac, Forest, Farmhand and everybody,

Thank you very much for your warm welcome :)

Forest is right about the independency between the 2 driving primaries and the collecting coil or secondary.
if you read the following statement , just after what you sited before in your post, he explained the same thing:

“El procedimiento queda, pues, reducido a establecer un circuito inducido independiente, dentro de la esfera de acción o atmósfera magnética formada
entre las caras polares, de nombre contrario, de dos electroimanes, o series de electroimanes, accionados por corrientes intermitentes o alternas.”

my translation:
The procedure is thus reduced to establish (put) an independent induced circuit, inside the sphere (field) of action formed (created) between the polar faces, WITH OPPOSITE NAME (N-Pole & S-Pole), of two electromagnets, or an array of them, exited with blinking (blinking = fading in/fading-out) or alternating currents. (See attached picture)

in other hand he also stated the following:
“Las actuales dinamos, proceden de agrupaciones de máquinas de Clarke, y nuestro generador recuerda, en su principio fundamental, al carrete de inducción de Ruhmkorff.”

hanon translation:
“The current dynamos, come from groups of Clarke machines, and our generator recalls, in its fundamental principle, the Ruhmkorff induction coil”

I agree with you Bajac about the principal your shared in you documents, but in my INHO, Figuera was just taking the same known construction concept of the Dynamos and he just keeping them quiet silent and without dragging (solid state), and doing so in Canary Island in 1902/1908 should not be so complicated! 

Just trying to give my point of view Farmhand (BTW I appreciate the work your are doing, the constructive critics must be taken in account )
And I m devoted to go after this Figuera generator, at any cost!

The electromagnet lifts over 100 lbs with a AA battery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGoOu8cPmeM
Now take the same magnetic flux created by this AA battery and shake it or move it at high rate, then put your output coil inside his “sphere of action” to get the juice.
Like this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU


Best regards,
NMS


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #535 on: February 08, 2014, 12:22:37 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Daniel_Ruhmkorff
I really have to  come in here, so you don't go astray. 
The Ruhmkorff coil is a coil of high inductance designed to produce currents of high voltage and frequency.
The high frequency is produced by the interrupter  which is  a make-break mechanical device with a similar principle to the
old electric bell.
Each make-break of the interrupter produces oscillations in the mhz range.
The Rumkorff coil comes complete with it's resonant capacitor.
During Figuera's time the interrupter and cap were sometimes omitted from schematics because it's action was well
understood.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #536 on: February 08, 2014, 02:23:59 AM »
Some documents of my work

Regards,
NMS

Hi NMS,

Welcome to the forum!! Your enthusiasm is really appreciated for us with months without results.

I share with yuo the idea that Figuera tried to emulate a dynamo. but dynamos are charactherized by the flux lines cutting the wires and maybe that was what Figuera looked for with the unphased primaries. I dont know.

Figuera sold his 1902 patents to a banker union just 4 days after filling them. I have even thought that maybe Figuera knew that the patents were going to be sold, and he wrote them  without being very precise. Or he kept occult any key part.

In your post, that I quoted above, there is no attached file. Maybe you forgot to attached it

Regar

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« Reply #537 on: February 08, 2014, 02:57:41 AM »
Hanon,


I have thought a lot about why Figuera's patents look so incomplete. Were these patents tampered with after filing? Patent #30378 reads "...for this generator whose form and arrangements are shown in the attached drawings, ....and the induced circuit is marked by a thick line of reddish ink..." Was there more than one page of drawings? Where is the thick red line representing the secondary coils?


It is very suspicious!!!


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« Reply #538 on: February 08, 2014, 05:08:10 AM »
Hallo a.King21,
Thank you for the input, but if you read carefully the patent 30378 you will find the mention of Ruhmkorff:
“…In the arrangement of the excitatory magnets and the induced, our generator has some analogy with dynamos, but completely differs from them in that, not requiring the use of motive power, is not a transforming apparatus. As much as we take, as a starting point, the fundamental principle that supports the construction of the Ruhmkorff induction coil, our generator is not a cluster of these coils which differs completely. It has the advantage that…” in the case of Figuera, he was using a commutator instead of one breaker and TWO primaries. BUT how is the current induced in the secondary coil of Ruhmkorff induction coil?

@bajac:
This is my answer to your question about “the properly built core” (after the mention of Ruhmkorff-like construction in the patent 30378 ):
“…It has the advantage that the soft iron core can be constructed with complete indifference of the induced circuit, allowing the core to be a real group of electromagnets, like the exciters, and covered with a proper wire in order that these electromagnets may develop the biggest attractive force possible, without worrying at all about the conditions that the induced wire must have for the voltage and amperage that is desired. In the winding of this induced wire, within the magnetic fields, are followed the requirements and practices known today in the construction of dynamos, and we refrain from going into further detail, believing it unnecessary.

IMO he was talking about the advantages of this kind of construction in comparison with the prior art:
In the other generators(he used word Dynamos), due to the rotating armature, you have to adapt or condition the induced coil to the free space you can get inside that armature or core, because of this limitation you cannot get that much from the winding and you have to decide if you want more current (ampers) or more voltage. BUT with his solution, you break that dependency and now you have a freedom to select the appropriate copper sizes at your convenience in order to get the power you need. About the mention of the properly built of the core, he meant –IMO- a stacked or laminated one, that was the optimization made at that time, today we can use commercially available cores, or maybe without any core, but just Tesla bifilar for electromagnet in sandwich form (in my ToDo list).
In the case of tesla bifilar coil (very low self-inductance) as primaries and secondary:
-   Witch induction formula should we use?
-   Is Lenz law also present?

I will tray all this configurations, but first I need get the correct sequence of excitation, because that part seems to be clearly descried in the patents and discussed.
First step is to reproduce the same commutator, scope the two excitation currents coming out from the resistor ladder, then implementing a modern alternative.
The transformer is just a matter of winding an scoping until catching the effect.
A DoE (Design of Experiment) is a good method for every researcher, experimenter.

@hanon: thank you!

Regards,
NMS

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #539 on: February 08, 2014, 05:18:31 AM »

hi all
   
i've been watching this thread to find  result from bajac and friend, i made no replication so i can share nothing, NMS you give fresh air ,but where are your documents ?

 

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