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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2352473 times)

floodrod

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4830 on: April 15, 2023, 12:22:36 AM »
Here is a basic rudimentary video of how Buforn's drawings "MAY" be working..  I think it makes more sense than the common logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqv9GG1kaEc

AC starts the process by going into the center coil.  The 2 outer coils start producing alternate current.  We arrange the outside electromagnets so when we parallel the leads, you have AC current between the parallel leads.

Now we hookup a diode to one side to change the parallel AC to get direct.  We lose half the amperage, as only 1 electromagnet is sending at a time now.  That direct + is fed into the commutator / resistor rig which creates the growing / shrinking fields into 2 leads..

Now we untie the electromagnet leads that do not have the diode and we feed the 2 sides of the resistor rig into each coil's return lead.   We now have 1 complete circuit that is self-exciting.

The foreign generator can now be removed and the center coil that jumpstarted the process now becomes the output coil.

No claims being made as usual..  But based on Buforn's drawings, makes sense in my mind.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4831 on: April 17, 2023, 04:53:30 AM »
To experiment with this thought, I don't think I can use electronic switching.  I can not bond the logic voltage ground to the machine because the machine will basically be a 1 wire loop.

So I got to work making a new commutator to play with..  22 teeth commutator from a vacuum motor.  And a revolving brush..  What a PITA soldering 22 wires to that small commutator...  My original 16 pole commutator still works, but it's a little bumpy and I am not thrilled about the triple-small brush setup I had.  I'm hoping this new one will be smoother and last longer..

Still have to counter-balance it and make a mount, but the brush glides over the commutator smooth now, and the single beefy brush touches multiple contacts.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4832 on: April 19, 2023, 05:00:33 PM »
Request to Math Wizards...

Can someone help me calculate the resistor values to achieve the wave in the image as designed?  I have spent dozens and dozens of hours calculating different values over and over and can not get the pattern right for the life of me..  Maybe it's not possible??

Goal-  2 sinewaves exactly 180 degrees out of phase perfectly equal..  Crossing at the exact middle..

I am currently getting the waves equal by using 2 separate resistor rigs..  But I want to see if it is possible to form 2 exact waves that cross in the exact middle as the patent is drawn..
 

Nice work. 
Try the same value for all resistors, voltage dividing is linear. 
You could try a sliding potmeter, then you can vary the ohms manually by hand, total resistance is always the same.

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« Reply #4833 on: April 27, 2023, 02:13:34 AM »
 

Nice work. 
Try the same value for all resistors, voltage dividing is linear. 
You could try a sliding potmeter, then you can vary the ohms manually by hand, total resistance is always the same.

Hi Alan,

Thank You..  I have tried all same values.  The output is always like the pic below.  But I have found several ways to get the wave correct.

I have now tried the setups close to 100 different ways, and the results are almost always the same..  The coils become practically non-reactive.  No back-emf passes back to the source and power I take does not pass to the input either.  The coils basically pull their ohmic current steady..  So I got moving magnetic fields with no reactance..  Interesting!

I am now moving to the pickup coil arrangement.  Obviously Figuera is not using standard transformers and is doing something special.  Since the electromagnets are now non-reactive, it stands to reason the flux field can be used again and again and strengthened with each pickup coil added.  I think this is why he needs to use a big string of coils, because he needed to keep building the flux stronger and stronger.  But the best arrangement is still a mystery..

I am in the process of winding some higher ohm coils so I can experiment with building up the flux field.  I did some experiments with my real low ohm coils and indeed I can make the flux field grow by adding more pickups.

We will see...

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4834 on: April 27, 2023, 07:30:55 AM »
Request to Math Wizards...

Can someone help me calculate the resistor values to achieve the wave in the image as designed?  I have spent dozens and dozens of hours calculating different values over and over and can not get the pattern right for the life of me..  Maybe it's not possible??

Goal-  2 sinewaves exactly 180 degrees out of phase perfectly equal..  Crossing at the exact middle..

I am currently getting the waves equal by using 2 separate resistor rigs..  But I want to see if it is possible to form 2 exact waves that cross in the exact middle as the patent is drawn..


Hi Floodrod,

Sorry, I haven't been following your detailed design much; but hopefully this may provide some further
insight to your sine wave generation development:

https://www.circuitbread.com/tutorials/sine-wave-generator-part-17-microcontroller-basics-pic10f200

A few screen shoots below to show the concept found in the link above.
 
If not, appologies for the interuption... Your work on Figuera is quite interesting - good luck!

SL

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« Reply #4835 on: April 28, 2023, 05:51:19 AM »
Thanks SL.. 

The issue is making the 2nd wave exactly equal to the first, just exactly opposite, crossing at dead center.  The 2nd wave must also connect to the other end of the resistor for the current to return.

".and further more as the current passes to the magnetic field and returns of the
same by the two ends of input and output resistor". 


I found the formula to make the resistor / waves exactly perfect by "always touching more than 2 contacts"..  Problem is, the resistor values are dependent on the load / electromagnet resistance.  I get them both dead-on with a 10 ohm resistor load, but when I change the resistor for a 16 ohm, the waves no longer work right.  To get this perfect, I must build the coil rig first and pick a specific frequency.  And build the resistor rig around those values. 

I said in the past that my setups make both electromagnets appear to be non-reactive.  But I need the waves to be right so the emptying electromagnet does become reactive..  The emptying electromagnet needs to induct so when it's emptying, it pushes the current past the zero line from the induction of the induced coil.  I don't think this can happen until we have a lot of pickup coils / electromagnets (the patent shows 24 coils ~~  8 groups) and the 2 sinewaves need to be optimal.

I am building out the coils..  I have another FE project I have been working on and off with for the last few months. It has a lot in common with this but easier to dial in. The coils should work to test both setups.  So it may take me some time till an update is made.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4836 on: April 28, 2023, 07:29:42 AM »
Imightknow
Agreed and I also noticed there are some people who consistently spam post random unrelated pictures or links the moment there is some movement towards a working principal of a free energy device. There should be no surprise here and it's common knowledge most big corporations and some governments hire paid shills to spread misinformation and distract on all forms of media.

I even ran some social experiments where I would move the conversation towards some more relevant facts, ergo bait them, and note which people made obvious attempts to distract and how they did it. The mistake I think most make is confusing ignorance with intent. To suppose some fool just spam posts every thread with nonsense where progress is being made but not recognizing the consistent pattern of behavior. You see the same people always do exactly the same things in the same way as if on cue.

My favorite is the "I'm one of you and look at all my builds shtick". Let's just build random shit which has no chance of ever working then criticize those who actually want to understand how they could work. Of course working principals could lead to a working device rather than countless nonsensical builds which never will. We naturally want to believe those who appear to have made an effort, a build, and that's the whole point. Anyone could build any number of nonsensical devices to mislead and distract a majority of people. Look, look at all the work they did, they would never mislead us or is the whole point to distract?.

Well said and it's really hard to know who is who but I found there is one way that works and seems obvious.

When someone offers something which makes us actually think or has some tangible value it's more likely to be sincere. Thinking independently and producing something of value is why were here. Look for the value in it, if there is no value or we have not learned anything then we have our answer...

AC


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Hi Onepower,

I went back a few pages to become more familiar with the work being done here regarding the Figuera device and ran accross your post.

Was glad to see I'm not the only one to notice this Shill trend on the threads that show progress. It's the same guys, for the most part.

But I still haven't exactly figured out whether they are actually paid Shill Trolls or just disruptive, very jealous children, that are afraid of
being left out. Maybe just the "center of attention" thing - IDK?  BTW - ran some similar analysis (experiments) on a few threads, as you
did, research for a lecture series on Shills, Trolls, and LARPS. The results were sad, but unfortunately, not suprising. No matter - we'll Win!
 
Oh well, it is what it is! Lets just leave it at that for now - maybe worthy of discussion and finding a solution - but in another thread...

Anyway - I'd like to see where this Figuera thread goes - appears to be on the right track so far and seems viable! 

Floodrod, et al, are doing some excellent work here. Please forgive me for the OT.

SL

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« Reply #4837 on: April 28, 2023, 08:11:44 AM »

Hi Floodrod,

Quick question:

Would a Dual Channel synchronized Sine Wave Generator (30MHz 50 ohm adj->20V output) work for driving your coils?

If so - let me know...

Something like the JDS2900 (pdf manual attached)
Features Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzRBYPXVMQs

SL

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« Reply #4838 on: April 28, 2023, 09:51:21 AM »
Hi Floodrod,

Quick question:

Would a Dual Channel synchronized Sine Wave Generator (30MHz 50 ohm adj->20V output) work for driving your coils?

If so - let me know...

Something like the JDS2900 (pdf manual attached)
Features Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzRBYPXVMQs

SL

Thank You SL,  but I don't think it will help.  With this setup, there can be no flipping of polarities in the primaries.  I don't think anyone really sees the operation like I do (not that I am right).

So to explain, lets take a coil..  We can induct it to go NORTH in 2 ways.. 

1 way would be to bring a north magnetic field into it.  Growing north will cause the coil to try to repel the motion and make the coil go North.

2nd way would be to pull a SOUTH field away.  Again, the coil tries to stop the motion and as South is leaving, the coil turns NORTH.

The Figuera setup mimics the second way.  It causes the induction coil to react to a field by pulling away the field ** Without flipping polarity on the primary***..   

Now if we hit the induction coil from both sides, one field growing and the other pulling away, the coils are acting like a North and South even though current direction and winding direction are the same in both!  We get real AC from the induction coil between them. But the best part is how the electromagnets should react in this setup with respect to induction back to the primaries..  The magic happens in the electromagnet with the shrinking field.

Just think of how a transformer works. The normal way we get the secondary to go North is by making the primary grow North. But with this method, we can get the secondary to go NORTH with the opposite current direction in the primary by retreating south..

1. The electromagnets driving current must never switch polarities.
2. The electromagnets must simulate 2 sinewaves 180 degrees out of phase. And evenly.
3. We can not collapse the fields, 100% duty cycle  is needed.

I appreciate you looking out..



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« Reply #4839 on: April 28, 2023, 10:23:52 AM »
Thank You SL,  but I don't think it will help.  With this setup, there can be no flipping of polarities in the primaries.  I don't think anyone really sees the operation like I do (not that I am right).

So to explain, lets take a coil..  We can induct it to go NORTH in 2 ways.. 

1 way would be to bring a north magnetic field into it.  Growing north will cause the coil to try to repel the motion and make the coil go North.

2nd way would be to pull a SOUTH field away.  Again, the coil tries to stop the motion and as South is leaving, the coil turns NORTH.

The Figuera setup mimics the second way.  It causes the induction coil to react to a field by pulling away the field ** Without flipping polarity on the primary***..   

Now if we hit the induction coil from both sides, one field growing and the other pulling away, the coils are acting like a North and South even though current direction and winding direction are the same in both!  We get real AC from the induction coil between them. But the best part is how the electromagnets should react in this setup with respect to induction back to the primaries..  The magic happens in the electromagnet with the shrinking field.

Just think of how a transformer works. The normal way we get the secondary to go North is by making the primary grow North. But with this method, we can get the secondary to go NORTH with the opposite current direction in the primary by retreating south..

1. The electromagnets driving current must never switch polarities.
2. The electromagnets must simulate 2 sinewaves 180 degrees out of phase. And evenly.
3. We can not collapse the fields, 100% duty cycle  is needed.

I appreciate you looking out..


Just pulled one of the JDS2900s out of the "obsolete storage cabinet" and played with it.

It will do 2 synchronized sinewaves (CH1 & CH2) with CH2 set at 180 degree phase offset which gives you what you need;
if I understand correctly. CH1 & CH2 can be set to track in both frequency and phase with the CH2 phase offset to
1800 - so far so good (?). Both channels are exact replicas but can be phase shifted by 0.10 increments between 0 and 359.9.

Now, both channels can also be amplitude offset by +/- 10VDC (PPmax is 20V) so at say 5Vpp they would not cross zero but remain positive
for the full cycle [+10V to 0V].

Setting them up from the front panel soft keys is tricky but doable however the PC software makes this easy - all on one screen.

Anyway, so far it appears this Sig Gen might be versatile enough to do your required waveforms. Might be worth a try and maybe make
things a little easier to do. Although you might need a power amplifier for driving a few coils.

Hey, check the "obsolute storage cabinet" comment above for a hint! Still setting up the new Lab but will try and find time to do a screen
shot of the waveform and post it. I just don't want you to "dead end" because of a waveform that might be easy to do!  :)

Regards,

SL

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« Reply #4840 on: April 28, 2023, 03:49:17 PM »

Now, both channels can also be amplitude offset by +/- 10VDC (PPmax is 20V) so at say 5Vpp they would not cross zero but remain positive
for the full cycle [+10V to 0V].


This statement may change everything.  If they can create the 2 waves with a full positive bias, it makes it interesting..

When we induce a coil between the 2 waves, the retreating wave will go past the zero line..  The source will not switch polarities, but the induction coil will push it past the zero line from it's magnetic coupling. Thus sending power back to the signal generator on the positive retreating lead.

Figuera didn't have reliable diodes back in 1908, so he needed to use both sides of the same resistor to return the energy..  Since both coils always flow power one way at 100% duty cycle, Shouldn't be much of a problem to route the counter EMF around the signal generator with diodes.

If you do test it, can you run each output through separate diodes and test?  We probably do not want to route real power backwards through the signal generator. 

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« Reply #4841 on: April 28, 2023, 04:33:31 PM »
LoL- my cheap function generator makes both waves with a positive bias just fine..  No problem with diodes.

Any recommendations on 2 channel amplification?  I think regular lower frequency is what we need here.  Figuera ran his off a motor with 16 contacts which make 1 sinewave per rotation.  So he certainly wasn't running 100's of hertz..

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« Reply #4842 on: April 28, 2023, 06:20:13 PM »
No luck amplifying it..  I grabbed a stereo amplifier and hooked the signal generator into the amplifier.  The signal generator can output the wave nicely, but the stereo amplifier converts is back to AC.  It's no longer positive biased.

I assume most (if not all) amplifiers use an induction coil..  As soon as we induct this positive biased sinewave, it turns right back to AC passing the zero line. 


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« Reply #4843 on: April 28, 2023, 06:49:38 PM »
You need a class A amplifier which never turns off or goes below the zero line.


https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/amplifier/amplifier-classes.html




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« Reply #4844 on: April 28, 2023, 07:30:38 PM »
You need a class A amplifier which never turns off or goes below the zero line.


https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/amplifier/amplifier-classes.html

Thank You...