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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2370343 times)

Ufopolitics

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4740 on: March 19, 2023, 06:05:27 PM »
LOL...after all, I must admit you are very funny!!
tRump is also very funny...LOL

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4741 on: March 19, 2023, 06:08:43 PM »
Marathonman
Had a “situation “ here several years back
 He has his own forum now ( yes most were aware
However Solarlab posted this link again recently)
https://figueramarathonman.boards.net/thread/7/1908-mechanical-general-discussion?page=24M



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« Reply #4742 on: March 20, 2023, 03:26:43 AM »

All I see is individuals throwing in their own interpretations into the mix which nets nothing halting advancement. Unless the original is understood completely then how on earth can a variant be built. Humanity can't and never will benefit from this unless the collective agrees on specifics then moves forward as a group.

Randomly building with electronics or throwing in items that might be beneficial is a complete waste of time and will inevitably lead to failure.

Show us your replication.

IMIGHTKNOW

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4743 on: March 20, 2023, 06:29:02 AM »
I can possibly see why Ramset, not the most friendliest neighborhood. I guess I need to watch for puffed up egos and daggers in the back lol! ;D
Flood;
It is in the process and happily awaiting supplies. ;D

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« Reply #4744 on: March 24, 2023, 12:52:30 AM »
All,


Maybe you can take some good ideas from the link below:


https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/my-interpretation/


Note that in common moving generators the field electromagnets do not suffer any lenz effect (back emf) when rotating coils get in front of them. They do not increase its current consumption. The effect in generators is that moving parts suffer from dragging or cogging, but field electromagnets do not vary in consumption. This is the effect under Flux Cutting Induction.


 Transformers on the other hand do suffer from back emf because they work with Flux Linking Induction.


If you may get a motionless generator, then the dragging effect should be avoided, because  if you only move the exciter fields, they are massless

IMIGHTKNOW

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« Reply #4745 on: March 24, 2023, 03:58:16 AM »
A little self promotion right  ;D

As I have read from postings from Sparky Sweet he claims once the generator is at running conditions the exciting side of the generator drops to just the ohmic losses of the exciting coils with pressure circulating enough to maintain the load. Very interesting read to say the least.

It is not dragging or cogging  a slang word as to say but an attraction and repulsion from the stator to rotor as it spins because of the inherent properties of the secondary being induced.. ie the Lenz Law. Most people do not know a generator feed back to the exciting side at the rate of 10 to 15 % which is quite amazing considering the output in the high multi-kilowatts.

The Lenz Law can never be entirely nullified but yes it seems Figuera side stepped it on this one  ;D

Are you building?

kolbacict

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4746 on: March 24, 2023, 08:07:41 AM »
tell me remind me please ,here in forum was somehow member,who posted his project in which was the same device.  I can't do find it at all.  I had to draw myself.
And what did this person mean by this device of his?

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« Reply #4747 on: March 24, 2023, 01:58:37 PM »
Questions-   How important are the big spring-like coils for resistance?  What are the specs?

I assume reactance is in play here and standard resistors are a no-go?  What's the working principle?

Would those high wattage standard wire wound resistors work?  Or should they be like slinky springs?

What resistance value is the right range between connection points?

All the info I read skips over technicalities on the resistors..

Thanks in advanced

kolbacict

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« Reply #4748 on: March 24, 2023, 04:45:47 PM »
I generally suggested for a long time to remove the limiters, and rotate the usual variable resistor in a circle. Rotate with a motor. It's stupid to use a separate set of resistors and a separate mechanical switch. Maybe at that time there were no other options ...

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« Reply #4749 on: March 24, 2023, 10:45:36 PM »
Perhaps an important piece of info that many overlook..

"We will add also a rotating brush which is always touching more than one contact."
~~~  buforn-1914_num_57955.pdf

I believe this means we can never let the field collapse.  Moreover, if we follow it word for word, it is "always touching more than one contact"..

On my electronic model, I was collapsing the field, causing induction steps..  Obviously this defeats the purpose.

These small details are probably very important
« Last Edit: March 25, 2023, 01:54:42 AM by floodrod »

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« Reply #4750 on: March 25, 2023, 05:30:27 PM »
Hanon
Quote
Maybe you can take some good ideas from the link below:
https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/my-interpretation/

Well done and your research goes well beyond that of any person I have ever seen. It's a mind boggling amount of the most relevant information presented in a professional manner. Your site is required reading in my opinion.

It's also interesting that after presenting your wonderful work the resident paid shills have nothing to say other than to distract from it. I suspect there scared to death someone might read it and actually learn something, lol.

In my opinion, as an Engineer, your interpretation was brilliant because it touches on all the associated problems.
1)The ambiguous nature of what Figuera said as it relates to what we know.
2)What we know relating to magnetic fields and flux cutting/linking.
3)Prior art, Hooper, Weber, Faraday and Feynman.

On flux linking versus cutting I tend to agree with Feynman that it's basically a perceptual problem not a technical one.

For example, in a supposed flux linking transformer the magnetic field source translates by inducing the magnetic domains next to it sequentially like flipping dominoes. Domain A induces B, B induces C, C induces D and so on following the rules of magnetic induction. Once the field moves towards and enters the core of the secondary it starts flipping those domains in effect cutting the conductors of the secondary. Here we need to recognize the difference between "magnetic induction" and "electro-magnetic induction", they are not the same.

The perceptual problem is that most are using severely flawed lumped sum models or averaging the effects and forces. They ignore the fact that nothing just happens instantly and everything must work through a translation of forces like a line of dominoes flipping sequentially from one to the other. For this reason I reject lumped sum/average modelling as inferior and flawed and only accept infinite element analysis as a true representation of any phenomena. In reality we are dealing with billions of individual elements each having discrete qualities and energy states where each has an effect on the other.

So in any proper model we would see a wave like disturbance of domains flipping as they move away from the source. Likewise the destination would see a wave like disturbance of domains flipping towards itself. This must always be true because forces must propagate sequentially through a space and it's never all or nothing.

We need to be careful of others lumping things together, averaging and making vague generalizations. The devil is always in the details...

AC


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« Reply #4751 on: March 25, 2023, 07:40:25 PM »


I believe this means we can never let the field collapse.  Moreover, if we follow it word for word, it is "always touching more than one contact"..


To ensure that the current is not completely interrupted, it is enough to connect the moving contact to one of the terminals of the resistor. How it is done in potentiometers connected according to the variable resistor circuit.

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« Reply #4752 on: March 26, 2023, 01:35:29 AM »
There are no resistors in the Figera device. :-\
Make before break causing an orderly rise and fall of current flow to the primaries by making contact with more than one at a time. Following the patent drawing is insane as it specifically says " Just a drawing for the understanding of the device only"

Inductive reactance of an inductor with a moving positive brush is how Figuera controlled current flow NOT resistance. Do you think an ex Physicist, Teacher and Engineer would use heat death resistors in a so called overunity device, I think not!.

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« Reply #4753 on: March 26, 2023, 03:14:50 AM »
Hanon
Well done and your research goes well beyond that of any person I have ever seen.
AC

I have seen and read more in depth on another site. He whom has his own site goes much farther explaining detail. A lot of people don't care for him but I found him very informative and open.

One of the people that followed his advice built an active inductor controller using electronics and posted it. It seems he was a moderator on that site for a while. He called it his SSPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu5u4wVgiw8
Seems someone might know a little more if that was made from his advice with all due respect of course.

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« Reply #4754 on: March 26, 2023, 05:21:22 AM »
There are no resistors in the Figera device. :-\
Make before break causing an orderly rise and fall of current flow to the primaries by making contact with more than one at a time. Following the patent drawing is insane as it specifically says " Just a drawing for the understanding of the device only"

Inductive reactance of an inductor with a moving positive brush is how Figuera controlled current flow NOT resistance. Do you think an ex Physicist, Teacher and Engineer would use heat death resistors in a so called overunity device, I think not!.

I think I agree with you..  The whole resistor thing is counter productive. And I think you are correct in that the main concept can be accomplished without resistors and use the reactance / self-induction of the coils themselves as the impedance. And there is probably a reason all the drawings in the patent had 8 sets of coils (matching the 8 contact wires).

I drew out one such way which it is absolutely possible to eliminate the resistors and achieve a changing flux pattern without burning through resistors.

Not to mention the action might be better without resistors..  Instead of having the whole top string equal flux strength, the individual coils in the string could all change with each contact and be arranged in a more harmonious way