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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2119777 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4695 on: March 14, 2023, 09:27:27 PM »
Hanon quote
Post 4690
Here https://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/4680/

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Very important post and attachment (Egg.pdf) by user "Fernandez" in another thread
Read it deeply.
It agrees totally with Figuera´s design:https://overunity.com/14906/joseph-henry-on-the-discovery-of-two-distinct-kinds-of-dynamic-induction/msg571846/#msg571846
I attach here his document (Egg.pdf)
END QUOTE

  @ Bistander
The above quote/post and referenced topic (Fernandez)  have been getting poked and prodded
For quite some time ?
And honestly most I had asked for an opinion pointed to soft “old timey “ iron wire or components
As were used  in Daniel McFarland Cooks claims ( his device)
And most felt the Fernandez claim has legs in Cook’s patent?


Bistander
Do you like cheeseburgers?


This needs poking and prodding now ( yes the AC part is ….?


Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
It is Fernandez claim I would love input on
Specifically
How to start a bench setup for a beginning towards understanding
The claim ?
Even throw out all I have written here ( even PDF ??)


“Your thoughts on Fernandez writings”
How to investigate….?
BTW
Still awaiting feedback on Mr.Corbin’s claims
EDIT
PPS
Since almost day one Fernandez has written strong opinions and referenced
Experiments ,
His posts below


https://overunity.com/profile/fernandez.101771/area/showposts/









Offline IMIGHTKNOW

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4696 on: March 14, 2023, 09:49:04 PM »
The 1902 patent had stationary inner and outer primary electromagnets and what rotated was a drum type setup with the secondary windings on that. He improved it throughout the series of 1902 patents then sold them to the Bankers to pay his financial backer Buforn off and have money for his crown jewel, his 1908 stationary generator.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4697 on: March 14, 2023, 11:13:24 PM »
Hanon quote
Post 4690
Here https://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/4680/

QUOTE
Very important post and attachment (Egg.pdf) by user "Fernandez" in another thread
Read it deeply.
It agrees totally with Figuera´s design:https://overunity.com/14906/joseph-henry-on-the-discovery-of-two-distinct-kinds-of-dynamic-induction/msg571846/#msg571846
I attach here his document (Egg.pdf)
END QUOTE

  @ Bistander
The above quote/post and referenced topic (Fernandez)  have been getting poked and prodded
For quite some time ?
And honestly most I had asked for an opinion pointed to soft “old timey “ iron wire or components
As were used  in Daniel McFarland Cooks claims ( his device)
And most felt the Fernandez claim has legs in Cook’s patent?


Bistander
Do you like cheeseburgers?


This needs poking and prodding now ( yes the AC part is ….?


Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
It is Fernandez claim I would love input on
Specifically
How to start a bench setup for a beginning towards understanding
The claim ?
Even throw out all I have written here ( even PDF ??)


“Your thoughts on Fernandez writings”
How to investigate….?
BTW
Still awaiting feedback on Mr.Corbin’s claims
EDIT
PPS
Since almost day one Fernandez has written strong opinions and referenced
Experiments ,
His posts below


https://overunity.com/profile/fernandez.101771/area/showposts/

Hi Ramset,
I reply to question from bboj, his first post in 8 years. I think mine was correct answer.

That referenced egg.pdf has nothing to do with Egg of Columbus except its title.

Is there a problem?
bi

Offline ramset

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4698 on: March 15, 2023, 12:57:35 AM »
Sorry I thought he was asking hanon …
Screenshot below Fernandez Columbus egg


And then I asked you ( for your opinion
And ?
A cheeseburger for your troubles…
Respectfully
Chet K

Offline bistander

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4699 on: March 15, 2023, 01:22:45 AM »
Sorry I thought he was asking hanon …
Screenshot below Fernandez Columbus egg


And then I asked you ( for your opinion
And ?
A cheeseburger for your troubles…
Respectfully
Chet K

Cheers,
No cheeseburger for me. Never had one. Can't by law of doctor. I do like chicken eggs.

I offer no opinion on Figuera. Tried to help years ago but too many forum experts forced me out of discussions because I asked pertinent questions about what they claimed to know. I help where I can, but can't help those who know everything.
Carry on.
bi

Offline Dog-One

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4700 on: March 15, 2023, 02:43:51 AM »
Sorry I thought he was asking hanon …
Screenshot below Fernandez Columbus egg

What is skirted around in that Egg description is the fact that
Coil A also knocks the crap out of Coil C--it doesn't just magically
drive Coil B.  I tried the experiment on the bench with both AC
and DC.  The scope tells me enough to save your money for
a cheeseburger or in this case, hold the cheeseburger and just
get two beers.

Offline ramset

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4701 on: March 15, 2023, 04:27:17 AM »
DogOne
Years back.. before Fernandez posted this egg
He was posting about other experiments ( for years)
I had asked around for opinions


Most felt he was working off McFarland Cook idea
and thought of some interesting experiments
ION ( vortex 1 here) had some interesting thoughts
I do miss that man ;(


However…
I do appreciate your being thrifty with my cheeseburgers
And you certainly have more “on point” experience with coil abuse than
Most mortals…
Appreciate your taking the time !
BTW
I do like Atti’s  efforts ( noticed you shared a vid in mr T’s Meg)…atti is a really cool guy !


With gratitude
Chet


Offline IMIGHTKNOW

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4702 on: March 15, 2023, 05:15:44 AM »
Very true, the Figuera device has nothing to do with the egg of Columbus other than it's shape. My opinion is he transitioned from the difficult design of the 1902 patent to the much easier layout of the 1908 patent with two rows of inducers and one row of outputs between them. One rotated (1902) the other did not (1908) except the controller which took a small motor.

The motor was there to rotate the brush or group of brushes and the commutator in the 1908 patent. The 1902 patent had no core for the secondary just some kind of drum. I honesty have not studied the 1902 as much as the 1908.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4703 on: March 15, 2023, 02:11:30 PM »
I get it that egg of c. is just an analogy.I just wanted to ask what is the underlying principle of operation?Any ideas?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4704 on: March 15, 2023, 03:49:17 PM »
I get it that egg of c. is just an analogy.I just wanted to ask what is the underlying principle of operation?Any ideas?

Faraday's Law. Moving magnetic field inducing voltage in a circuit and resulting current causing a reaction.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4705 on: March 15, 2023, 04:05:21 PM »
Hello IMIGHTKNOW,

The 1902 patent had stationary inner and outer primary electromagnets and what rotated was a drum type setup with the secondary windings on that. He improved it throughout the series of 1902 patents then sold them to the Bankers to pay his financial backer Buforn off and have money for his crown jewel, his 1908 stationary generator.
Very true, the Figuera device has nothing to do with the egg of Columbus other than it's shape. My opinion is he transitioned from the difficult design of the 1902 patent to the much easier layout of the 1908 patent with two rows of inducers and one row of outputs between them. One rotated (1902) the other did not (1908) except the controller which took a small motor.
The motor was there to rotate the brush or group of brushes and the commutator in the 1908 patent. The 1902 patent had no core for the secondary just some kind of drum. I honesty have not studied the 1902 as much as the 1908.

Since you have years of studying and researching Clemente Figuera, could you explain why you keep claiming a rotating member is in the 1902 patent?

From PATENT CLEMENTE FIGUERA (1902) No. 30378 (SPAIN)
The invention for which a patent is applied consists in following note.
Note
Invention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing
moves
, which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines
thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or
alternating current which creates an induction in the motionless induced circuit,
placed within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets.
Barcelona, the 5th of September of 1902
Signed: Clemente Figuera and Pedro Blasberg

Offline onepower

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4706 on: March 15, 2023, 05:40:25 PM »
Imightknow
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Very true, the Figuera device has nothing to do with the egg of Columbus other than it's shape.

The egg of Columbus analogy was not in reference to a shape or device but a concept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_of_Columbus
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An egg of Columbus or Columbus's egg refers to a brilliant idea or discovery that seems simple or easy after the fact.
Christopher Columbus, having been told that finding a new trade route was inevitable and no great accomplishment, challenges his critics to make an egg stand on its tip. After his challengers give up, Columbus does it himself by tapping the egg on the table to flatten its tip.

Another analogy is that everyone can find a problem impossible(trying to balance an egg on it's tip) but still have a very simple and obvious solution(simply flatten the tip). Implying that others did not understand the nature of the problem or read too much into it.

As such Figuera, like many other FE inventors, was claiming the technology was very simple and obvious but only after the fact. The solution only becomes obvious after a person becomes an expert on the subject or gains experience and insight into the nature of the problem.

Ironically, the egg of Columbus concept may apply here. Many assumed the egg of Columbus reference by Figuera may apply to complex shapes, coils or cores. Others assumed the reference may apply to Tesla's egg of Columbus device in 1893 demonstrating the complex interaction of induction and rotating magnetic fields. Everyone always tends to assume the most complex solutions but seldom the most obvious ones...

https://fs.blog/complexity-bias/
Complexity Bias: Why We Prefer Complicated to Simple

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“Most geniuses—especially those who lead others—prosper not by deconstructing intricate complexities but by exploiting unrecognized simplicities.”... Andy Benoit

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4707 on: March 15, 2023, 05:45:23 PM »
Exactly

Hello IMIGHTKNOW,

Since you have years of studying and researching Clemente Figuera, could you explain why you keep claiming a rotating member is in the 1902 patent?

From PATENT CLEMENTE FIGUERA (1902) No. 30378 (SPAIN)
The invention for which a patent is applied consists in following note.
Note
Invention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing
moves
, which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines
thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or
alternating current which creates an induction in the motionless induced circuit,
placed within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets.
Barcelona, the 5th of September of 1902
Signed: Clemente Figuera and Pedro Blasberg

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4708 on: March 15, 2023, 06:33:01 PM »
Exactly


and the Egg of Columbus is the way Figuera generator behave the same as generators but with the patent claims

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4709 on: March 15, 2023, 07:12:10 PM »
Excitation is the key than. Any ideas?