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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1440122 times)

Offline Sam6

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4650 on: April 20, 2019, 11:33:58 PM »
After posting the spreadsheet yesterday, I discovered that I had omitted the excitation VA/lb from the losses. Including them lowered the calculated COP to 98.43. :(

The newly posted spreadsheet has that corrected, and some of the cell comments have been clarified. The project description dated 4/20/19 has the updated dimensions, output  KW, and excitation voltage for the generator.

Please accept my apology for the error.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4651 on: April 25, 2019, 01:43:57 PM »
Sam6,
I think you are right on the size of the electromagnets. For a while, I have been convinced that the Figuera's device was huge, not the 8-inch long core that I built. I agree that a large iron core should definitely be a plus. Though, I am not sure about departing from Figuera's teachings for providing small air gaps. In my opinion, the air gaps are needed. But I would welcome you to try your large size coils since it should be a huge learning experience. I would suggest to build it in such a way that it would easily allow you to test both, with and without air gaps.


Has anyone found any record about the size of the Figuera's electromagnets? I think it is time for us to put together a list of all the clues we can find about the Figuera's device. Seeing all the clues in one place may help us to brainstorm and to look at his device in new and different ways.


Thank you,
Bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4652 on: April 25, 2019, 04:13:09 PM »
bajac
You don/t have to put together a list.
 Just sit still in the boat and watch what Aetherholic and Marathonman are doing and watch their equipment in this thread: http://www.aboveunity.com/thread/clemente-figuera/?order=all#comment-113491cc-bb60-469a-9725-a88f0122b9ec

Aetherholic sayed he was burning about1800 Watts into something, ??? the primarys ??? for 20 minutes but didn't mentioned how great the output power was. Something must have become hotter than 1800 Watts because he talks about amplification.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Offline NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4653 on: April 25, 2019, 09:43:44 PM »
I beg to differ from many members here.
I believe that how these devices operate is known to many members who don't want to say anything out of fear.

Our good friend Marathonman is on record on this point

Please look carefully at Figuera device patent drawing. The output from the switching component part G is send through a resistor array. What will happen?

Voltage will increase and current will be diminished. This array is almost an oudin coil.

In Tesla coil the primary and secondary are wounding opposite directions. Current enters the beginning of primary and the end of the primary and beginning of secondary are earthed and current rotates I opposite directions. Therefore there is virtually no current I Tesla coil. In oudin coil the voltage is boosted in a similar way but the primary and secondary of oudin coil are coiled and current rotated in the same direction. But there's a very significant voltage increase.

Let us say that inputs a 13 volt 8 amps battery. The switching unit part G or MOSFET makes and breaks current. The one that comes outgrows through the oudin coil. Voltage is boosted 100 times. Current is similarly reduced by 100 times.

In Figureas arrangements the voltage keeps increasing and current keeps diminishing.

So how can you get output?

The primary cores are all permanent magnets already. They have their own magnetic field. This field is static. It is oscillated by high voltage. Over this you wind the output coils.

Output = strength of the oscillating magnetic field X voltage X frequency

The poles are nsnsns only. Te gap is to cool down the permanent magnet core. Nothing else.

If you look at Figuera device arrangements one pole has relatively higher current and the opposite one relatively higher voltage.

If you use a single iron bar only frequency from 500-1000 Hz should work.

If any one tells you to avoid high voltage and use only soft iron rods try are deceiving you. Permanent magnet core and multiple rods and NSNSNS arrangements.

Where is the feedback coil?

The central coil is the feedback coil. Use permanent magnet core and it will produce induced output and step it down rectified it and supply DC to the input.

How man

As many as needed to match the initial feeding battery.

You will need a MOSFET and Arduino to gate the MOSFET. For a single piece ordinary iron we found that response cooked up to 1000 Hz.

What is the possible output?


It depends on the number of primary output coils, voltage on them, frequency applied, magnetic field strength of primary magnets.

You can test them yourself. I am not well. I the last five to six years I have gone through one problem after another problem after another problem. Heart attacks,, stroke, asthma, diabetes mellitus, epilepsy and TB.

To a person like me who is struggling what is the use of threats? Nothing.

This is the secret of Figuera device. Not part G .not Air gap this and that.

You don't have to believe me. Check it out yourself. But very careful. High voltage at low frequencies is very lethal. Not just the voltage by also the magnetic field. You must put very high safety precautions before doing this and I am not  asking you to test this. Any experiments you do would be at your own responsibility.

One friend from Romania asked me many years ago to disclose the secret if I come to know of it as their country is very poor very cold and is struggling with oil bills. I hope by disclosure made here I have served humanity.

Thanks to all

I will not check my messages nor will I respond minor do I intend to post. The persons or teams that brought out this hidden patent must get the credit.

Regards

Ramaswami Natarajan





 



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4654 on: April 25, 2019, 10:24:37 PM »
Why do you insist in replicating this device ? it is complete waste of time. You cannot do it. It's like saying you can become a master of kung fu just by reading a lot of books about it.You must start to think like Figuera and start from what Figuera started before 1902.
The best way would be to gather all information about Figuera from places where he lived. Maybe you can find a picture of his generator prototype  - even a single one would be tremendous move forward.A little toy can be constructed by using strong magnets and a closed magnetic path but the output would be barely OU just enough to keep us interested - I will leave it to somebody else I have no mechanical skills or time or money. Just think - it is very easy device, I'm sure it can be build but nobody seriously is interested in it because it breaks the current status quo....

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4655 on: April 25, 2019, 11:54:28 PM »
I noticed some disappointment and frustration going on with some members. It can happen, but we should not give up our dreams and hopes. Last night I was watching an interesting YouTube video about SpaceX that is inspirational. The video is about of how Elon Musk was able to pull it off even though most of the people were not supportive and many failed experiments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbzegGHkk8c&t=15s

A very important rule to working as a team is to show respect to others who are also spending time and resources toward a common goal. If someone thinks he has an idea and wants to build it his way, we should welcome this effort and avoid stupid arguments and hard feelings that will only get us nothing.

I will make one more push, but this time I am going the whole nine yards. Instead of building a single set of electromagnets, I will construct the seven sets as shown in Figuera's patent. In addition, I will do it with larger iron cores. My budget is tight so I started planning.

Thanks and happy experiments!
Bajac

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4656 on: April 26, 2019, 01:03:01 PM »
N Ramaswami 
 I salute you sir
 while I cannot tell from your post if you have actually succeeded , your intent is clear and your purpose received .
 We need more such awakenings if we are to ultimately succeed .
Respectfully
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4657 on: April 27, 2019, 07:30:32 PM »
Hi Chet


Let's avoid the saluting business. No need for it. We are all doing what we are destined to do.

Let me put it this way. There are many knowledgeable people in a particular place. Most are afraid to even say they are knowledgeable about truth.

One such person X is struggling for money. I said hey.. I am also a beggar and I can try to share something in my pocket with you. Then X said if you send any money I will get into trouble. and Begger Y is trying to get some help for me but I will not take any thing from you. Reality is all are beggers who depend on God for our day today survival, health, knowledge, money, ability to work and mind to share with others. No saluting business please. Incidentally you know both beggers X and Y.

On November 8, 2018 I was on fasting for a religious ceremony, suffered a stroke or epilepsy attack and became unconscious and had to be admitted to hospital. I did not know how long I will survive. I then decided to make it public.

In the Figuera patent you would find that there's no mention of defeating Lenz. Pray tell me where he is talking about it.

What's Lenz law..

The secondary coil tries to oppose the rotating magnetic field and it needs to be overcome for electricity to be produced.

So in turbines they use water or steam to rotate the core itself and it is called conversion of mechanical energy to electrical energy. This conversion results in loss and so more mechanical energy is needed to produce less electrical energy. Same with cycle dynamos.

On the other hand by using Tesla coil or Oudin coil in series you can create a lot of voltage. Voltage is powerful driving force. There's no water weight to give current. Ok. Only potential.

Wind this high voltage coil on a large permanent magnet core, you make the static field into a rotating field. We have 10 watts units producing 50000 volts at high frequency. We can have any frequency we need by modifying capacitor resistor values. You know it.

A normal low cost permanent magnet core material is soft steel. You have to make it a permanent magnet first.
You know how to do it.

Then wind high voltage wires on it and keep increasing the voltage and send the wire in series on several permanent magnet cores.

Take output coil from each core separately and use it. One of these cores can easily produce between 2-3 kilowatts on load. A normal induction coil using soft iron rods which have no permanent magnetism can produce 91-98% on load as tested by us many years back. Input was 220 volts,50 Hz and 15 amps. Output lit up 17*200 watts lamps but output was only 300 volts and 10 amps. We could have increased the voltage to 350 volts and 11 amps also but we used to disbelieve that as metre errors. This result depends on input voltage and we have voltage fluctuations here.

Ok..now you take that 300 volts after powering the output and use it provide power to primary of a Tesla coil to increase the voltage to 3000 volts in Tesla secondary and wind it on a permanent magnet core. You know in Tesla coil the current is destroyed in secondary and voltage alone is increased. Same frequency. Now what will happen if you wind high voltage Tesla output coil over the permanent magnet core? Look there is no current there. The magnetic field is no.longrr static. It is oscillated. If you wind a step down coil over this permanent magnet core you get output.

Here Lenz law is not violated. There's no violation of law of conservation of energy.

Output= voltage applied in primary coil+ thickness and number of turns of secondary coil +induced voltage in secondary coil+  size of the permanent magnetic core and magnetic field strength + frequency. Ordinary permanent magnet core material works upto 500-1000 Hz. Not all materials are same but it is a safe range for most.

Very cheap material only. We can oscillate the output to desired Hertz by suitable means.

Actually the Figuera patent is misleading. The magnetic field strength on both the  N and S magnets should be equal for the central coil to provide the best output. You make one strong and another weak the output in central coil comes down.

There's no mention of need to wind output coils on primary cores and need to provide high voltage or that the primary cores must be permanent magnet cores. But a person skilled in the art can identify that easily with a little experimentation.

He has hidden as far as possible. But with suitable coiling every thing he has claimed could be done. In his time what was required was demonstration before patent office if working device. Not enablement of competent third parties as required today.

He has also shown the feedback coil as output coils connected in series. He has fooled every body with this. The central coils are feedback coil and they must be connected in parallel to provide DC input to the + point of part G. Today we can replace part G with a MOSFET and use suitable gating means on MOSFET.

It took me a lot of time, money and efforts to understand all this.

I have disbanded my team. Poor health, lack of money to pay them all and hope that at least some one else or more continue with what we have learnt.

As Forest says it is a simple device but he will not do it for he has no money.

I think there are many people who can do simulation here and let them say it is all fraudulent and cannot work. You can also do it and find out if it would work. I rarely find experimenters willing to put their money where their mouth is.

Regards

Ramaswami Natarajan

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4658 on: April 27, 2019, 08:31:22 PM »
You misunderstood. Yes, I have no money less then enough to build it but I have also no tools and skills. But the main reason I posted is the fact you all avoided Figuera path. That is the road to false theories. Don't build the final device from 1908, build one from 1902 and find Figuera road!He took ordinary generator and modified , rewound and found all problems which  still today make generators inefficient. Then step by step he fixed them , however without going this step by step you cannot make any progress. The first step is the most important one I think.
Lenz law....well let me ask : what is the reason of winding coils tightly and closely to the generator rotor core ? 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4659 on: April 28, 2019, 01:45:23 AM »
Forest..

Please understand that I have neither any interest nor health nor any money nor motivation to do anything further.. I have not done anything in motors and so have no knowledge. Without doing something and experimentation how can I either ask or answer questions? I honestly can't.

I have no interest nor any intention to post nor any further information to share here.

Thanks..bye

Ramaswami Natarajan

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4660 on: April 28, 2019, 03:38:50 AM »
Ramaswami
I am helping a friend down in the New York City area these next few days
 I know you have done much experimenting and research in the past ,  your experience  would be valuable ...we should talk
 The open source community needs all the resources we can get .
Kind regards
Chet

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