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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1471806 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4605 on: March 01, 2019, 03:49:37 AM »
Hi marathonman,
                         I get what has been explained over the past several years. I think I understand the notion of the AC sweep through the magnetic cores, be they external or internal. This is all very clever electronics manipulation, which I do not think Figuera had as his guiding principle. I think I have seen the 20kv mentioned three times on the other forum. Which might actually only be 15Kw or 20 HP. A figure mentioned by Buforn. The only way I can clearly see that output figure being replicated is with the addition of some special circuitry. Now! Did Figuera have this knowledge? In Tesla's opinion YES, although this opinion was based upon information that he had not seen, only relayed to him regarding the outcome of Figuera's running.and commentary. There is the 1902 newspaper article which I am sure you are familiar with. Also, I cannot find when the statement by Tesla was made regarding the suitability of the Canaries. Therefore, to my mind, again we are back at seeking to relate Figuera to the Aetheric electricity, and not amplification without this input. Did the continuum G include some variation on the popular Influence Machine of the day? Personally, I am thinking Figuera has merged two sequences into one. Using the system you are working with and with the addition of a method that assists with the amplification of the output. Part of my argument for this is the double whammy pulse at the terminals of the continuum G rotation. The straight direct connection serves another node not shown in the patent or its description.


I m going to leave it there. Until I have the working model all bets are off! I shall decarbonise my cores this weekend. Have to dig the kiln out from the back of the garage behind a lot of building materials. The actual process only takes a few hours. Heat up, cool down!


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4606 on: March 03, 2019, 03:32:18 AM »
 "I get what has been explained over the past several years. I think I understand the notion of the AC sweep through the magnetic cores, be they external or internal."

NOPE, ! it is DC with Frequency because of the moving brush which will then be inductive reactance initiated by inductance not current change.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4607 on: March 04, 2019, 09:02:52 AM »



Hi there marathonman,
                                  I think that is what I meant, a modulated DC voltage and current.


Am looking at the turns ratio issue. Ampere turns! I have seen many answers to this question, but, nothing definitive regarding "Saturation" and actually calculating the flux gradient for ampere turns. From my perspective V/R is the first item on the agenda. I don't ever seem to see this. the ampere turns can only be considered once the current and voltage are defined. Maybe this is hidden in the H force. For the Figuera generator, we are talking multiple coils, therefore do we calculate for one N set of coils and then copy this calculation for the S set of coils? And, of course, if one wants to set up say just a couple of coils to test certain parameters, being smaller coils in the overall scheme of things demands a set of indivieual coils that have no relation to the big pictur. Lots of work here!


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4608 on: March 04, 2019, 09:14:59 PM »


Hi marathonman,
                         Looks like my previous post was accepted. Could not connect properly yesterday1

               I suppose what I should have said is what you stated. Modulated DC. Just didn't put my finger on it!


Trying to get a handle on the ampere turns calculation. It seems to me that before any coil calculations can start, three things must be known. Voltage , current and coil dimension. In Figuera's case, a fourth pops up, number of series parallel coils. This would ultimately affect the G continuum. Adjusting R will automatically adjust the current!! Increasing V will increase I and either saturate the coils or turn the device into a radiant heater. All in all, a slightly complex issue that requires fixed parameters for stable operation. The outcome of which is this. All changes to voltage or current movements must occur within the G continuum, and not at the exciter coils!


Thus while I study B H curves I find all too often generic information. However, for Soft Iron there are a couple of established parameters. 3000 ampere turns per meter of core will give a saturation point at a permability of 600. Beyond 600, current is wasted for further flux development. Steel will go to 1.5T, however, I think the downside for steel is one of remanence. Ok for permannet magnet.


Lots of thinking going on. Is it leading me in the correct direction?


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« Reply #4609 on: March 05, 2019, 01:54:21 AM »
I am curious as to where or rather why you keep bringing up G continuum. the continuum was my thread on that sorry site i really don't want to talk about. the part you are referring in the patent is part G which is an active Inductor.
Leave R out of the equation as much as possible because R waste power in the form of heat NON Recoverable.   wind the electromagnets to respond as fast as they can to the current change as part G controls the current flow through a change in inductance. the change of magnetic flux to current ratio with the rotation of the brush giving it frequency which will then be inductive reactance.
it can then be calculated by 2 x Pi x hertz x henries,  then divide that ohms plus your primaries ohms added into your voltage which will then give you your amperage through your sets.
remember part G controls the current flow NOT the primaries. and yes all the parameters you discussed need to be accounted for while minimizing R.
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« Reply #4610 on: March 05, 2019, 06:26:25 AM »



Hi marathonman,
                          My apologies! I read too much sometimes trying to catch up or cover the ground or look for clues. You are correct to correct me. Part G is what it will be. I have come across a good youtube video by UFO on the part G. It would seem my analysis of getting that going is the first option of the build is the correct decision.


The interest in the ampere turns is to avoid saturation of the coils and get the generator running efficiently! Thanks for the heads up on the calculation.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4611 on: March 05, 2019, 12:50:48 PM »
Hi marathonman,
                         Last comment before I go to bed. i am unable to get the big powdered iron toroid that you can. However, i can get Hollow Bar in various sizez and thicknesses. I have the cores, but, this sie is not related to Part G. What would be a good size? Something like 160mmOD - 100mmID nd height say 100 mm.
I have to order and get it cut and delivered. So i have lots of flexibility. Also, Hollow bar can be decarbonised!


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« Reply #4612 on: March 06, 2019, 01:53:55 AM »
Hi marathonman,
                          Proving more difficult than I thought to get small piece of hollow bar! Anyway, I have found a small piece locally in the scrap heap at an engineers shop. It is 160 diameter, 87 Inside diameter and 55 high. As we are talking inductance, might this be a bit small? Although i could use a smaller guage of wire perhaps?


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4613 on: March 06, 2019, 07:58:12 PM »
I have the feeling Figuera was in the same situation as we today and he just found a way to modify the existing motor or generator

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« Reply #4614 on: March 06, 2019, 09:04:59 PM »
I have the feeling Figuera was in the same situation as we today and he just found a way to modify the existing motor or generator


Hi Forest,
              I think he did more than that. Anyway, I am a bit weak on some of the calculations for inductance and various phase changes. Some people see these more easily than others. Thanks for the comment.


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« Reply #4615 on: March 07, 2019, 02:50:20 AM »
I completely disagree. Figuera was a Physics professor that taught at a college then became a forestry ranger. he knew exactly what he was doing at all times and NOTHING was by chance.
his 1902 patent was yes, a modified version of a motor/ generator but his 1908 patent was an Unbelievable achievement making a generator static.  do you people realize what was involved in the process in 1900.
Get real and see the implications.
modified motor my ass, try motional electric field at it's finest hour.
Ourboddy;

  You realize a hollow core will give you almost nothing in regards to a magnetic field.?

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« Reply #4616 on: March 07, 2019, 11:30:51 AM »



In the UFO youtube demonstration of the Part G, what type of core is the Bridgeport Green coated one that is being used?

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« Reply #4617 on: March 07, 2019, 05:56:59 PM »
I completely disagree. Figuera was a Physics professor that taught at a college then became a forestry ranger. he knew exactly what he was doing at all times
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It's not proof, your argument cannot be accepted, it is an argument of authority.
See the story of this other professor, a physicist who thought he had discovered the N rays  ???. It was an illusion.

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« Reply #4618 on: March 07, 2019, 09:06:41 PM »



Hi marathonman,
                          You are quite right. I need to get back to some fundamental principles of magnetic circuitry.

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« Reply #4619 on: March 07, 2019, 09:24:18 PM »
It's not proof, your argument cannot be accepted, it is an argument of authority.
See the story of this other professor, a physicist who thought he had discovered the N rays  ??? . It was an illusion.


Hi,
    I like the the irony of your argument of Authority! Used all too often by all sorts of people that have no real solution to their arguments. I have suggested on another forum that it would have been incredible for Clemente Figueras to have understood in great detail what was going on. Today we have all sorts of expertise at out disposal. Back then in 1902 going forward, test results were likely the rudimentary source of the measure of any output for Figueras. There is no doubt as to his ingenuity or intellect. I suppose at a fundamental level, it was possible to see if a magnet was working rather than the presupposing the N rays existed without difinitive proofs by Blondlot.

 

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