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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1380413 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4575 on: November 11, 2018, 04:19:43 PM »
The magnetic fields of the primaries will always be opposing as the Lenz effect will always keep them opposing whether they are increasing or decreasing to maintain the pressure between them. by raising one primary and lowering the other the Electric fields are alligned  as such to be positive and additive  thus presenting the secondary a magnetic field with the same intensity as a north south field of a standard generator.

Yes, the question is whether more current is induced by induction than provided by the Faraday's law. Which i think is always the question about overunity devices based on induction, and the only reason why they might have overunity. When more current is induced, then it has to go somewhere, like to capacitor or other coil.

Only an experiment can show that, simulator cannot, as simulators are strictly based on the Faraday's law. Whether there is overunity or not, no one knows, because no one can possibly know what exactly is going on there.

Thus i think we can create a general theoretical basis for solid state overunity research, this is all based on the same phenomenon.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4576 on: November 12, 2018, 04:23:40 PM »
In the Figuera device there has to be load attached to the secondary in order for the device to work.  When the load increases the resistance drops on the secondary and the load allowing more current to flow which in turn sends more current to excite the primaries to produce more potential in the external  circuit then things equalize.  If there is more potential in the exciting side then the induced side is drawing then the secondary feedback to the exciting side will be suppressed  until thing equalize again.
the system only draws what it needs at that time.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4577 on: November 13, 2018, 12:12:33 AM »
In the Figuera device there has to be load attached to the secondary in order for the device to work.

Ahah, so that on the figure below?


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4578 on: November 13, 2018, 08:44:29 PM »
Almost, the Figuera device is DC driven each output being raised and lowered in complete unison but 180 out from another. also the cores were separated as to stop eddies and hysteresis from degrading the primaries. the secondaries are the only part of the core that will experience eddies and hysteresis.
Ac will not match the high intensity field of a DC electromagnet, that is why your standard generators use DC electromagnets NOT AC.

by using and active inductor Figuera realized he could control the rise and fall of current by raising and lowering the magnetic flux to current ratio which in the circuit is self inductance, the EMF created within the circuit that opposes the original current flow. this is exactly in accordance with Faraday's Laws of Induction that states all that is needed for EMF to occur is a rise or fall of the magnetic field. and in accordance to the Lenz Law it will be in such a direction to oppose the original current flow.

no load on the secondary means no lenz law field generation withing the secondary thus no output will occur.
with a load attached and current starts to flow according to the Lenz a secondary field will form in the secondary and it is this field that is pushed from side to side by the opposing primaries that gives the illusion of motion to the electric field thus inducing motion into the secondary. the primaries sweep this field across the entire length of the secondary which will cross the electric fields created by the primaries which both are in the same direction being positive and additive.......meaning both electric field intensities will equal the high intensity field of a standard generator.
from the sweeping actions of the primaries it induces and AC output in the secondaries flipping it's poles every half rotation.

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« Reply #4579 on: November 13, 2018, 09:11:13 PM »
this is exactly in accordance with Faraday's Laws of Induction that states all that is needed for EMF to occur is a rise or fall of the magnetic field.

No, i think for this or any other such overunity devices to work, the induced current must be more than that provided by the Faraday's law. That it is only generated by the rise and fall of the magnetic field, and that it is opposite to the current that caused it, remains true, however.

The diagram above is so that it can be made using a voltage source, and a signal generator, which is easy to do, provided that one has these, and that the input and output powers can be measured with oscilloscope the way i explained in my other thread. In that case it may be necessary to measure separately both the primaries and their resistors, and the load, maybe a bit more to measure, but still doable. More similar to Figuera would be using a pair of transistors, but this would be a bit more difficult to implement, though nothing special, either.

Without such measuring input and output powers, and without any such measurement really showing overunity, all that said about that device will be useless. I'm primarily interested in a unified approach for researching any of such solid state overunity devices.


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« Reply #4580 on: November 14, 2018, 01:48:58 AM »
That quote is concerning the controller which is part G in the patent. assuming things work a different  way because that is the way you think it is suppose to work doesn't  always align with what i have experienced on the bench which is what i post from not what i think it should be done.
Assuming  will get you no where fast, benching gets to the point the correct way.
Good luck just the same.

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« Reply #4581 on: November 14, 2018, 01:57:25 AM »
Did you measure input and output power when benching?

If you did measure overunity and have hard evidence what it was caused by, then i cannot say it's any different. But if you didn't, then no matter how much work you did or how well you did it, all we have is words.

But ok, do you argue that the induced current doesn't have to be greater than provided by the Faraday's law, then how can there be overunity, can you explain it?

I'm sorry, i'm not against you, but it is the task of all of us, to understand. How i see it, and i would like to see it it's wrong, and want to see why, so i and not only me can understand more.


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« Reply #4582 on: November 14, 2018, 09:34:28 PM »
I personally think that producing more than what was put in is not possible but if one reuses or does not spend the potential in the exciting side of the system to act on another field in the process which is what Figuera device does then yes perpetual motion is possible.

the potential is not used up, it is recycled through out the inducing side of the system that acts on the induced side which both are closed systems of their own. the only time the inducing potential is used is to polarize the secondaries then they part ways and it is just the relative motion of the primaries that induce motion into the secondaries. that is the lenz law field from the secondaries being swept across the electric fields created by the primaries. after they part ways no other potential from the inducing side is used in the secondaries thus the potential is reused or recycled through out the primaries and part G the controller with a little feed back from the secondaries to replace the losses occurred and give rise to amplification to the rising primaries.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4583 on: November 18, 2018, 04:37:49 PM »
This is a good visualization of self Induction
 the more loops are added in the controller part G the more the opposition to the original current flow.

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« Reply #4584 on: November 23, 2018, 04:20:25 PM »
So with the above post and pic as the brush rotates the amount of windings changes on each side of the brush kept separated by north opposing fields. When one winding is subtracted from one side it is added to the other side thus changing the magnetic flux to current ratio on either side.  when you  change this ratio you change the original current flow as per Faradays laws of induction any change in the magnetic field causes EMF and according  to the Lenz law it will produce an EMF that will oppose the original current flow.

So therefore by using a rotating positive contact Figuera was able to efficiently change the current flow through both primary sets opposite from one another by utilising  an Inductor in an active position in the circuit that changes the magnetic flux to current ratio which allowed him to control the current flow in a very,  very efficient manor then using the storing and releasing of potential to off set the potential drop of the rising side of the system. as we all know any increase in a coil there will be a potential drop across the conductor as it is storing into the magnetic field.

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« Reply #4585 on: November 30, 2018, 05:35:48 PM »
This replicator has proven many things i have been saying for quite a long time and is almost there. he credits me for the theory but it fact it is Figuera and the original replicator that shared to me many years ago.
screen shot is a purposely overshot to show the actions of the secondary when the rising primary was taken over to far and brought back on the coil giving the double peak. this is NOT possible with Transformer action.
the Figuera device is strictly a stationary Generator with NO transformer action taking place.
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« Reply #4586 on: December 07, 2018, 04:37:32 PM »
Look at the Graph belown it shows a magnet increasing the magnetic flux (inward) and one decreasing it's magnetic field (outward). the current is in the oposite direction each time it is pushed in and pulled out just the same as if it were an electromagnet being increased and decreased.

now take the reducing electromagnet to the oposite side of the increasing electromagnet with the core (secondary) in the middle (THE FIGUERA DEVCE). you will notice that the fields are now in the same direction which is what i have been saying for quite a many years. when you reduce the electromagnet on the oposite side of the increasing electromagnet the electric fields are in the same direction being positive and additive. the magnetic fields will never combine and the Lenz law will always keep them separate at all times but AS I HAVE STATED FOR YEARS THE ELECTRIC FIELDS ARE ALIGNED AS SUCH WILL COMBINE TO FORM ONE FIELD BEING POSITIVE AND ADDITIVE.

as long as the magnetic field pressure is maintained it will act just like a standard generator high intensity field. the primaries are reduced to get the sweeping action of the secondary lenz field across the electric fields formed by the primaries. this is the realitive motion of the primaries inducing motion into the secondaries.

when the primaries polarize the secondaries with a load attached (mandatory) and current begins to flow a second field will form in the secondary (Lenz's Law) that will oppose the first field. it is this opposing field that is sandwiched between the primaries that is swept from side to side across the secondaries sweeping the electric field giving the illution of motion of the secondary to the electric field.

as long as the pressure is maintained between the primary North face electromagnets the output will be a constant AC output flipping the poles every rotation of part G from the sweeping action of the primaries, one reducing while the other is increasing. if for any reasom the magnetic fields of the primaries are reduced to low induction will fail and the output will be reduce to just that of the rising electromagnet.
this is the very reason why the reducing primaries are reduce to just clear the secondary then back to full potential.

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« Reply #4587 on: December 07, 2018, 06:41:35 PM »
Part G being an active Inductor changes the Magnetic flux to current ratio on a continuous basis therefore creating ongoing increase or decrease in current flow.

as the brush rotates around the Inductor windings on either side of the brush are constantly changing either adding or subtracting which according to Faradays laws of induction causes an EMF to form in the circuit and according to the Lenz Law it will oppose the original current flow.
in the graph below it shows coil A with a few winding and if we have a given amount of current flowing through the coils it will produce a given amount of self induction that opposes the original current flow.
now in coil B we have an increase in the loop count with the same given current flow. what just happened is the amount of inductance just changed and according to Faraday's laws of induction all that is needed for EMF to be produced is a change in magnetic flux which just happened. now if we do this on a continuous basis we have an orderly rise and fall of magnetic flux which is an orderly rise and fall of current flow because any increase or decrease in the magnetic flux will in fact according to Faradays Laws of induction create an EMF and according to the Lenz Law it will oppose the orighinal current flow.

so precisely as Figuera intended as the brush rotates we have the most efficient way to control current flow in the primaries  increase and decrease in the magnetic flux to current ratio that controlls the current flow to each set of primaries in complete unison. when one is increasing in winding count the other is decreasing in winding count at the positive brush.

Self Induction can and will control current flow plus using the stored and released potential in a positive manor.

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« Reply #4588 on: December 10, 2018, 04:06:15 PM »
The Figuera device uses an active Inductor for part G that changes the magnetic flux to current ratio which according to Faraday any change in flux produces EMF and according to Lenz it will oppose the original current flow. along with that it stores and releases potential at a specific time to add the rising primaries to maintain the pressure between the primaries to sustain ongoing Induction.

the primaries are reduced and increased to induce motion into the secondary and once current begins to flow in the secondary and the load a second field will form according to the lenz law that will oppose the original current flow. once this happens the primaries and the secondaries part ways and it is just the realitive motion of the primaries that induce motion into the secondaries. after this polarization no other time is the potential circulating in the inducing system is tranfered to the induced system. they are essentially two separate systems from then on just like a standard generator system.

as the brush rotates the current through the primaries are reduced and increased 180 degrees out from each other causing the Electric fields to be in the same direction being positive and additive. the primary and the secondary cores are separated to stop eddy currents and hysteresis from interferrring from the action of the AC in the secondaries to the primaries.

with the lenz field from the secondary sandwiched between the primary fields the primaries are raised and lowered in intensity just to clear the secondary coil then back to full potential while the other is reduced.  in this action of reducing and increasing  the magnetic fields stay opposing while the Electric fields joiin as one. in this set up the peaking of the primaries need to be symetyrical, meaning the peak of the primaries needs to be the same or induction will be lost thus reduced to just the rising primaries.

there are two primariy facing each other being north face opposing electromagnets with the secondary located between them with an active inductor used as the controller controlling the current flow through the primaries.

if you do not have your setup like this or your coil core arangement is different then congratulations you are NOT working on the Figuera device 1908 patent. anything other is just that something other than the 1908 patent and i wish you luck in your pursuit.

this thread is according to my knowledge following the 1908 patent of Clemente Figuera patent in Barcelona Spain in 1908 that powered his house lights, a 20 HP motor and all the street lights around his house.

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