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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1612525 times)

Offline hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #450 on: December 23, 2013, 01:16:28 PM »
Hi Schiko,
I am refering to opposite signals.My idea to use a Thomson Ring, 90 phase shift, is related to the last scheme in the previous picture with all kind of signals.

Suppose that you feed the Thomson Ring with AC, you will get a 90° unphased signal. If you later on take both signals into two diodes brigdes you will rectify them into a doble positive wave with a period half of the original period. Both signals will be now 180° unphased (opposite)as the last type of signal drawn in my previous sketch with the signals.

Please tell us the easy way that you use to get the opposite signals. You said time ago you designed a controller to do it. Please share with us. I dont have a signal generator nor an scope nor a pc card. Anyway I am afraid that those outputs are low power outputs. You wont get any resuls in the machine with miliamperes. As I have understood  your device just operate near 100% efficiency. For me this is not a working Figuera unit so you should not say what works and what does not work yet.

I am here just talking as you have said. I am here to discuss and to share. Lately apart from Doug none else is helping actively, what it is really a pity in a device of such a great potential.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #451 on: December 23, 2013, 03:20:43 PM »
Hi all,

I have collected into a single PDF file my last ideas about an overunity generator as we have been discussing lately.

Regards,
Hanon

Other link to the PDF file:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ybmdtyn38d3eo5i/PROPOSAL%20FOR%20A%20MOTIONLESS%20OVERUNITY%20GENERATOR.pdf



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #452 on: December 23, 2013, 03:52:28 PM »
Hannon
    Schicko is trying to give you a simple short cut by using a sound editor computer based program to generate the input signals for the electromagnets. By your resistance to the idea I have to guess you have never used such a thing before.
   The wires leading to the speaker can provide a pulsing dc signal that you can adjust on your screen. You could even go as far as to gut a pair of blown out speakers and use the voice coils by removing the magnet and leaving the slug that the coil slides up and down on just glue it to the slug.
   Then you can adjust the dwell and angle of the signals with less effort then it takes to explain. You could go altra lazy and record the signal from a single wire of a ac source as your sound to edit with a sensing coil which works like a clamp on amp meter. Lay in a second track and start adjusting till they overlap just right. Might need a rectifier in there to protect your pc sound card. You get stereo outputs from your computer so two individually controlled line outputs are already there. the head phone port would be the cheapest to connect to.
   Im not sure what the limitations of those programs are so far as frequency they can handle or the maximum output power. Last time I used one I didn't get any work done just spent all day playing making myself sound like Darth Vadar and messing up music recordings.
    90 degrees out of phase is perhaps the wrong way the express it,but it's easier to say that then to say an unknown degree of delay of two identical frequencies clipped off for + v only.

  Personally Im working on the Tesla ring version for a couple reasons. Automotive  alternators I have several which I have broken down completely and would like to find a way the use parts from them. The stators are readily available in quantities. The materials already have defined specs both for the material and performance tolorences for heat ect... A lot of the work has already been done and repeatable builds easier form parts that can be sourced. Tesla's ring version places the induced on the outside of the coils.They are layered up or outward rather then placing them between inducers. The induced windings are not tightly wound but have a uniform spacing of 1 to 5 so far as I can tell form looking at it and several layers of windings for the inducers compared to one layer of the induced with it's spacing of 5 to 1. The option to add more layers by wrapping iron between them has my curiosity. In any case I don't want to end up with something that just powers a couple LED lights. Once i get my power bill down to 100. or less a month I can go solar pretty cheaply.
   

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #453 on: December 23, 2013, 10:04:53 PM »
Visual Analyser Project - Scope Freeware
Good up to 10Khz
You do not need to buy the hardware for it to work.
But if you can, will have a useful tool for a good price.

http://www.sillanumsoft.org/download.htm

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #454 on: December 24, 2013, 12:50:03 AM »
I do not know how to link pictures with a post, so I am just placing the
links below. Link 1 is for a 555 circuit, Link 2 is for house electrical
connection, and Link 3 is for fifty different 555 circuits.

In the picture in Link 1,  the top 555 Sinewave output picture might help.
The output is similar to a sinewave, but it is above 0 volt. If using a 12 volt
suppply, the output would be about 11 volts and up to 200 mA. The output
would need to be raised somehow.

Link 2 shows how U.S. houses are connected to the grid. In the top left side
you will notice that the input to the transformer is split on the secondary,
and the wave forms are "out of phase" by 180 degrees.

If you take the output from the 555 chip, amplify it, use a RC low
pass filter to get a sinewave, then use a transformer that has a split
secondary, would that work?

Link 1:
http://www.talkingelectronics.com/projects/50%20-%20555%20Circuits/images/555-Osc-1.gif

Link 2:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/hsehld.html#c1

Link 3:
http://www.talkingelectronics.com/projects/50%20-%20555%20Circuits/50%20-%20555%20Circuits.html#B
THE SIMPLEST 555 OSCILLATOR
The simplest 555 oscillator takes output pin 3 to capacitor C1 via resistor R1.
When the circuit is turned on, C1 is uncharged and output pin 3 is HIGH. C1
charges via R1 and when Pin 6 detects 2/3 rail voltage, output pin 3 goes LOW.
R1 now discharges capacitor C1 and when pin 2 detects 1/3 rail voltage, output
pin 3 goes HIGH to repeat the cycle. The amount of time when the output is HIGH
is called the MARK and the time when the output is LOW is called the SPACE.
In the diagram, the mark is the same length as the space and this is called 1:1
or 50%:50%. If a resistor and capacitor (or electrolytic) is placed on the output,
the result is very similar to a sinewave.

IMPROVING THE SINKING OF A 555
The output of a 555 goes low to deliver current to a load connected as shown in the
circuit below. But when the chip is sinking 200mA, pin 3 has about 1.9v on it. This
means the chip does not provide full rail voltage to the load. This can be improved by
connecting pin 7 to pin3. Pin 7 has a transistor that connects it to 0v rail at the same
time when pin 3 is LOW. They can both be connected together to improve sinking
capability. In this case the low will be 800mV for 200mA instead of 1900mV, an
improvement of 1100mV. This will add 1v1 to the load and also make the chip run
cooler.

Hope some of this might help,
Bob

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #455 on: December 24, 2013, 02:19:56 PM »
RMatt
 I am curious, why do you want to use ic's to build a driver oscillator?

 Im not against it entirely because it may become a required component but I dont think the original idea required it to function as it was intended to operate simple resistive and inductive loads according to time period. Inductive loads are indicated in both types which I believe was the timing device in the form of a free wheeling motor placed on the output side. Because in a state of self acting a balance would have to exist between the oscillation of the load/s and the original source of power used to start it in order for it work as a self runner. In operation if the load circuit being the induced had a quantity of  current circling were viewed as one half and the source plus the inducers were viewed as the other half. If the two were equal then adding more into the magnetic field of the inducers would not be needed. A difference in potential would hopefully not exist or be so so small that it would be practically zero. The only part I can see which has a way to be minipulated  is the magnetic filed. One of the ways to make a stronger magnet is to provide more turns of wire without increasing current. A stronger field will provide greater induced current on the output. So a up close Nat's ass view of everything going on in time on the load circuit is next because unless you can find exactly when and where to connect magnetically or electrically a step up function to retard the voltage potential so there is no difference between load and source even at the fraction of a second the current switches from + to - in the cycle.
   Let the arguments begin!
 A snapshot of time. One load, two wires, an alternating current. Are we going to use high and low voltage potentials or pressure and vaccume ,ying and yang ,black and white whats the flavor of the day everyone can agree on to describe the activity?
   Regardless of your designation for it, there has to be a greater and lesser in order for the "it" to flow from one place to another. There has to be an accounting for the distance the volume the resistance to the movement/flow when applicable.
   Another argument I would like introduce is friction. Friction is a form of resistance which restrict the movement or flow of something. What is it that is being consumed when movement or flow is restricted? Is a restriction invincible ?
   In a snap shot voltage is at a higher potential on one wire and lower on the other with a restriction in between. The restriction can be in the form of a poor conductive element or a long section of wire condensed into a small space to accumulate a strong magnetic effect in that small space ie a magnet. Agree or disagree so far?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #456 on: December 27, 2013, 05:52:55 PM »
Hi Doug,

Hanon was looking for signals which did not change polarity between +positive and -negative,  and were out of phase. The links I gave above could possibly give him the signals he was looking for.
That is why I listed them, if that is alright with you?

Bob

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #457 on: December 27, 2013, 06:41:45 PM »
No way Bob, they are in search of something sacred. ;D
Something we mere mortals can not understand.  :-[
Mr. Figuera said (it's so simple that even a child can build).  8)
I say (people with preconceived ideas fail to understand or build).  ::)

It's all a joke on people, do not take it seriously ok, remember that we are all in the same direction, maybe different ways, but the direction is the same.  ;)

Happy new year to all!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #458 on: December 27, 2013, 11:25:39 PM »
Thank you Schiko,

We all have to have a little fun every now and then, lol. ;D

Bob

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #459 on: December 30, 2013, 03:58:18 PM »
The first thing I said I was not entirely against it using a modern sound generator to make the signal.
  Am I looking for something secred ? ,no I wouldnt say that. Im sure some person will be able twist it that way to discredit any functioning method or design. Much like the buzz word "conspiracy" has effected investigative reporting. Anything can be discredited by those practiced in the art of.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #460 on: December 30, 2013, 05:53:37 PM »
Hi Doug,

I was not trying to "Harsh your mello, dude". I know you are smarter than me. I was trying to
share so information that I thought Hanon, or someone else might find interesting. You made your
comments, then I made a joke. I did not mean to upset anyone, it was just a joke.  :) When I can
afford some test equipment, I will try those very same suggestions just to see if anything good
will happen with them.

Peace man,
Bob

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #461 on: December 31, 2013, 05:17:48 AM »
@Doug1

Relax man ...
As I said before, we're all going in the same direction!
Some with more knowledge, and more technics.
Others with less technics and less knowledge, but all going in the same direction.
The problem is: people trying to help with new theories outside the focus of the thread hinders more than helps because it confuses the objectives and efforts of all who are really trying solve the problems.
This becomes exhausting and discouraging for everyone I think.
I guess Bajac had already told this in previous posts.
Another thing, everyone that have replicate the patent 1908 reached the same results I arrived, just an efficient converter.
But in my tests I noticed strange behaviors under certain circumstances, so keep trying.  8)
And what I have said here so far has been experienced by most people at the beginning of the thread ...
I said the machine " can " work well in " high frequency " and she works best as a transformer to " pulses " as the original machine, and anyone who says otherwise is why did not understand how the machine works.

As for hanon, I just wanted help with a simple solution, if it has a computer was just download the program "oscilloscope" and connect the audio output of your PC in a home audio amplifier.
Make a voltage divider and use the audio input from the PC to test the signals, turning the PC into a simple but functional oscilloscope and signal generator.
The machine is not a motor, does not need excessive electrical power to work if the principle is correct should also work with mW ...
And to test their theories in practice.
I guess the intention was the same as Bob.
It was not to cause "anger" anyone.  :-[
I sometimes exaggerated in kidding, sorry if I offended or hurt someone was not my intention.  :-[

Happy new year to all !!!  ;D

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #462 on: December 31, 2013, 05:43:55 AM »
Here is a sample of the program running on my PC.

You still get the gift of a frequency counter, and a voltmeter.
Are not precision devices but work very well.
The waveform generator may also generate square and triangular wave.
The voltage divider you calculated according to the sensitivity of the audio input of your PC.
Treating the square wave signal you can control a MOSFET driver directly in a very simple way.
Hands on.
Regards

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #463 on: December 31, 2013, 08:56:40 AM »
The real deal is to ask the correct questions. Look at the scopeshots and tell me what is going on in circuit in the point on top of green waveform. ::)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #464 on: December 31, 2013, 09:16:06 AM »
hi all
can anyone confirm soundcard produce signal always above positive ?.

thanks

 

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