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### Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2260108 times)

#### marathonman

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##### Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4425 on: July 26, 2018, 01:48:39 PM »
At first i to was taken by the drawing many years ago and even made a small device with resistance wire but it got very hot in 5 minutes of usage.

upon further research i noticed the patent said, and i Quote; "R" the resistance is drawn in it's elementary manor to facilitate the Comprehension of the entire system."  I then noticed the wire in the R section was wavy like wire loops with this and it being in it's elementary manor it was quite evident it was not a resistor network. given the fact of this and resistance creates a lot of heat and losses there was no doubt it was an inductor as there is no way a Physics Professor would use a heat death part in his device..

from some good guidance i  began researching Inductors, Self Inductance and the Lenz Law and low and behold i came across this years ago in Wikipedia,   "Any alteration to a circuit which increases the flux (total magnetic field) through the circuit produced by a given current increases the inductance, because inductance is also equal to the ratio of magnetic flux to current"

and

"The inductance of a coil can be increased by placing a magnetic core of ferromagnetic material in the hole in the center. The magnetic field of the coil magnetizes the material of the core, aligning its magnetic domains, and the magnetic field of the core adds to that of the coil, increasing the flux through the coil. This is called a ferromagnetic core inductor. A magnetic core can increase the inductance of a coil by thousands of times..

There are many other examples i can post but i am sure you get the drift as i am sure i already posted them.

I then began to do bench tests to verify this very Phenomenon and Bingo ! I found that a moving positive brush will in fact change the current on regular basis if and only if the brush contact stays in motion.

this is called magnetic flux linking that changes with the brush movement  that add or subtracts winding's to that side of the brush. with each magnetic link it changes the intensity of the magnetic field thus in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction to occur as all it stated is a change in magnetic field.

in this case it will oppose the original current flow and amplified by the magnetic iron core. using thick wire you will achieve a very lossless near perfect Inductor that store and releases potential exactly when needed.

With AC the current change causes induction to occur with DC the change in the circuit causes the Induction to occur.

I rest my case.

as soon as my new brush holder is done and built it, i will release a video that shows the world just what an active Inductor can do. with lights replacing the Primaries for a good visual representation in complete Unison.
I have an appointment this afternoon with a CNC shop that said they can do my brush holder. i also will be introducing a new part G core at that time that is much easier to wind and balance.

Regards,

Marathonman
« Last Edit: July 26, 2018, 10:52:15 PM by marathonman »

#### marathonman

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« Reply #4426 on: July 28, 2018, 01:01:43 PM »
According to Faraday's Laws of induction all that is needed is for the flux to change in intensity either up or down. as long as the intensity changes you will have EMF in your system.

with AC the current up and down causes the flux change and this is the only thing that is taught in every school. what is not taught in school is if you use DC and change the circuit it self, it will cause a flux change producing EMF.
FLUX always has to change in order for EMF to occur.

if you constantly add or subtract winding's you are constantly changing the flux intensity the produces EMF that opposes the original current flow.
so in the Figuera device he used an Inductor with a moving positive brush that constantly changes the magnetic field to current ratio adding or subtracting loops to that side of the system. both halves of the system are either being raised or lowered at all times in complete unison. as it is being raised that half of the system is storing into the magnetic field for the next reduction cycle and the reducing side is releasing the stored magnetic potential into the system off setting the voltage drop of the rising side that is storing into the magnetic field.

The perfect inductor is in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction that simply states there has to be a flux change in order for EMF to take place. so as the brush rotates the flux just changed and EMF is produced.
Imagine that !

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Marathonman

#### marathonman

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« Reply #4427 on: July 30, 2018, 06:20:23 AM »
It is really simple folks.
if you have X amount of loops on an iron core the self induction will be X amount that opposes the current flow. if the contact is stationary the current flow will equalize to a steady state.
if you add winding's to the coil the self Inductance will in fact have changed as adding loops changed the magnetic flux to current ratio causing an even larger current reduction then it to will equalize to a steady state.

if you move the contact on a continuous basis adding or subtracting loops, the self Induction will in fact change on a steady basis which will be opposing to the original current flow. so in doing so an EMF is produced in the circuit that opposes the original DC current flow because the magnetic flux has changed and this change according to Faraday's Laws of Induction will cause an EMF to occur.

static self induction taken to an active self induction with the rotation of a positive brush will in fact control current flow by changing the magnetic flux to current ratio which is in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of Induction.

anyone stating otherwise is just fooling themselves and others.

Regards,
Marathonman

#### citfta

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« Reply #4428 on: July 30, 2018, 04:29:44 PM »
IF THERE IS NO ALTERNATING CURRENT THEN THERE IS NO INDUCTIVE REACTANCE TO CHANGE.  INDUCTIVE REACTANCE IS DIRECTLY A FUNCTION OF A CHANGING CURRENT.  IF THERE IS ONLY A DIRECT CURRENT THEN THERE IS NO INDUCTIVE REACTANCE TO CHANGE.  A CHANGE IN INDUCTANCE HAS NO EFFECT AT ALL ON A DIRECT CURRENT.  Please read and understand the following information taken directly from an online electronic tutorial class:

Inductors and chokes are basically coils or loops of wire that are either wound around a hollow tube former (air cored) or wound around some ferromagnetic material (iron cored) to increase their inductive value called inductance.

Inductors store their energy in the form of a magnetic field that is created when a voltage is applied across the terminals of an inductor. The growth of the current flowing through the inductor is not instant but is determined by the inductors own self-induced or back emf value. Then for an inductor coil, this back emf voltage VL is proportional to the rate of change of the current flowing through it.

This current will continue to rise until it reaches its maximum steady state condition which is around five time constants when this self-induced back emf has decayed to zero. At this point a steady state current is flowing through the coil, no more back emf is induced to oppose the current flow and therefore, the coil acts more like a short circuit allowing maximum current to flow through it.

However, in an alternating current circuit which contains an AC Inductance, the flow of current through an inductor behaves very differently to that of a steady state DC voltage. Now in an AC circuit, the opposition to the current flowing through the coils windings not only depends upon the inductance of the coil but also the frequency of the applied voltage waveform as it varies from its positive to negative values.

The actual opposition to the current flowing through a coil in an AC circuit is determined by the AC Resistance of the coil with this AC resistance being represented by a complex number. But to distinguish a DC resistance value from an AC resistance value, which is also known as Impedance, the term Reactance is used.

Like resistance, reactance is measured in Ohm’s but is given the symbol “X” to distinguish it from a purely resistive “R” value and as the component in question is an inductor, the reactance of an inductor is called Inductive Reactance, ( XL ) and is measured in Ohms. Its value can be found from the formula.

Inductive Reactance XL = 2 pi fL

Where: XL is the Inductive Reactance in Ohms, ƒ is the frequency in Hertz and L is the inductance of the coil in Henries.

Now you can plainly see that for inductance to have any effect on the current the current has to be changing to produce the reactance necessary to change the current.  All the name calling and other put downs won't change that.

#### marathonman

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« Reply #4429 on: July 30, 2018, 10:50:50 PM »
"A CHANGE IN INDUCTANCE HAS NO EFFECT AT ALL ON A DIRECT CURRENT." what planet are you on Forrest.
For someone that is suppose to be educated you sure can be rather Ignorant at times, well all the time really and beginning to be a royal pain in the ass. i sure wish you would pull your head out of your backside. why is explaining to you like taking to a wall or a brick.
Have you not read a single post and actually understood it.
inductive reactance for the 1,000th time is involved with AC.
with DC it is self inductance, you do know what self inductance is don't you. I am sure you were taught about self inductance in what ever school you went to.  self inductance is the magnetic linking to the loop next to it that produces EMF within the circuit to oppose the original current flow.
got it so far??

Since using DC, because all electromagnets use DC even a standard generator, there has to be some kind of a change in order for the self inductance to be on going. so Figuera used a moving brush contact to change the magnetic field to current ratio that added loops to that side of the circuit that opposes the original current flow. if you continue to add loops to the circuit the magnetic field will in fact change in intensity increasing the magnetic field to current ratio.

we are no longer using a static Inductor as in AC circuits. we are using an active Inductor that has to have a moving contact that changes the magnetic flux on that side of the circuit. according to Faraday's Laws of Induction all that if needed for EMF to occur is a change in the magnetic field.

It can't be any more simple than that. if you can't understand this after 6 years maybe you need to either find another device to pursue or stop posting. i don't even think crayola crayon graph can help you if after 6 years you are still just as confused. Hanon finally bowed out from his lack of understanding maybe you should follow in his steps Cifta.

I am not trying to be mean but your total lack of knowledge about self inductance is really becoming bothersome to say the least.

Maybe the video i will be posting soon will fix your lack of self inductance knowledge and ease the massive confusion on your part. i only need one more part for my new part G and soon after the video will be release showing just how self inductance can and will control current flow through the primaries on a continuous basis.
you have been TOTALLY WRONG for 6 years and i will look forward to embarrassing you in front of GOD and everybody. after you watch my video you should be on your knees Apologising for the BS torment you and your lousy followers caused me. even a person with a PHD in electrical Engineering said i was spot on.

your utter lack of knowledge makes me laugh quite frequently.

Regards,
Marathonman

#### pmgr

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« Reply #4430 on: July 31, 2018, 07:46:01 PM »
Cifta,

I am reposting an older post from myself here down below. Flux can be changed by either changing L or I (they only teach you the "I"-variation version in school, and in your case online). So current can certainly be changed by changing inductance.

Here is the old post:

MarathonMan is spot on.

EMF = d(flux)/dt = d(L*I)/dt which only simplifies to L*dI/dt in case L is constant (and this last simplification is the only thing we are taught in school).Adding or subtracting windings to an inductor changes L itself and thus L*dI/dt no longer applies. Instead d(L*I)/dt should be used.

And with that it is very simple to obtain an overunity system as long as the amount of energy that it costs to change L is less than the amount of excess energy you obtain with the system.

The more difficult part of this is to design a system that will do exactly this and which can be built in practice. The Figuera device is such a device.

PmgR
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#### lancaIV

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« Reply #4431 on: July 31, 2018, 09:10:53 PM »
Cifta,

I am reposting an older post from myself here down below. Flux can be changed by either changing L or I (they only teach you the "I"-variation version in school, and in your case online). So current can certainly be changed by changing inductance.

Here is the old post:

MarathonMan is spot on.

EMF = d(flux)/dt = d(L*I)/dt which only simplifies to L*dI/dt in case L is constant (and this last simplification is the only thing we are taught in school).Adding or subtracting windings to an inductor changes L itself and thus L*dI/dt no longer applies. Instead d(L*I)/dt should be used.

And with that it is very simple to obtain an overunity system as long as the amount of energy that it costs to change L is less than the amount of excess energy you obtain with the system.

The more difficult part of this is to design a system that will do exactly this and which can be built in practice. The Figuera device is such a device.

PmgR
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There is a special expression which plays an important rule :
Wattless current
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To understand this kind of technology there is the need to study                   the Lord Kelvin spring-condensator analogon  related RT- superconductor

and to accept that our conventional calculators are not "New Physics"-World normated :
the use from a divisor 0 gives normally an " syntax error " answer but in a
ART and SRT world the 0 is the xyz-geometric body tensor center, origami-arithmetics

How release an arithmetical impossibility when it is physically possible and usefull
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EMF under scalar and vector rule applying, honoring cosinus,sinus and tangente

#### forest

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« Reply #4432 on: July 31, 2018, 10:25:59 PM »
Cifta is NOT ME !
Anyway I believe it will work based on self inductance of coil but in fact the self-inductance is contrary to the amount of flux switched because the larger self-inductance the larger the amount of turns required which makes a coil with too many ohms. To solve that Tesla used high voltage but hv is rather not usable if you start to catch the OU. Of course if you make a coil with very long wire an very thick one it will work both for current flow and for controlling self-inductance. For relatively low voltages we have to stick to very high frequencies to see the result of tiny change in inductance when you jump one turn of coil... imho

#### marathonman

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« Reply #4433 on: July 31, 2018, 11:13:24 PM »
Mr Forest,
I certainly was not referring to you and i do apologize  as you took it that way.
I was referring Cifta to Forest Gump in the movie.

as for the ohms, the original replicator used 3x5 millimeter wire for his alternator core at around 80 to 100 winds so still very little ohms. with low resistance that equates to a very efficient Inductor as what Figuera did.
as for the frequencies, Figuera was in Barcelona Spain so i am guessing 50 HZ which is 3,000 RPM brush.

Thanks PMGR, they just don't get it do they, changing Inductance over time causing current reduction.(continuously)

Regards,
Marathonman

#### citfta

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« Reply #4434 on: July 31, 2018, 11:36:05 PM »
Cifta,

I am reposting an older post from myself here down below. Flux can be changed by either changing L or I (they only teach you the "I"-variation version in school, and in your case online). So current can certainly be changed by changing inductance.

Here is the old post:

MarathonMan is spot on.

EMF = d(flux)/dt = d(L*I)/dt which only simplifies to L*dI/dt in case L is constant (and this last simplification is the only thing we are taught in school).Adding or subtracting windings to an inductor changes L itself and thus L*dI/dt no longer applies. Instead d(L*I)/dt should be used.

And with that it is very simple to obtain an overunity system as long as the amount of energy that it costs to change L is less than the amount of excess energy you obtain with the system.

The more difficult part of this is to design a system that will do exactly this and which can be built in practice. The Figuera device is such a device.

PmgR
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PMGR,

I think you missed the whole point of my post.  Of course you can change flux by changing the number of turns of a coil.  I never said you couldn't.  What I see as foolishness is believing that changing the flux will have any effect on a DIRECT CURRENT.  If you know of a way to control DC current by changing the flux then please feel free to explain that.  Once the voltage stabilizes the only thing that will change the DC current is a change in the resistance of the circuit NOT the inductance as inductive reactance can't even be calculated if the current is DC.

Respectfully,Carroll

#### marathonman

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« Reply #4435 on: August 01, 2018, 04:10:11 AM »
THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS NOT INDUCTIVE REACTANCE. it's just Inductance or rather SELF INDUCTANCE.

Quote "Once the voltage stabilizes"

OMG ! can you NOT read, it doesn't ever stabilize as the brush is constantly moving changing the magnetic flux to current ratio. this is what happens when you take a static Inductor to an active position in the circuit.
If the Inductor was a static device yes it would but it is NOT and is constantly changing it's contact that adds or subtracts winding's to that side of the circuit.
a static Inductor when hit with DC will curb the current for a short time, WHY ? because of self inductance then it will equalize if not other change in the circuit. so how do you get constant current control ?
by changing the contact as the brush rotates so the current never stabilizes. it constantly changes the magnetic flux to current ratio which is in complete compliance with Faraday's Laws of induction that states all that is needed for induction to take place is a change in magnetic field.
GUESS WHAT ? it just did as the brush rotates and it will oppose the original current flow, store and release magnetic potential from the field into the system to off set the potential of the rising side of the system.

I know you won't believe me but will you believe a PHD in Electrical Engineering. probably Not

hell half of my quotes i got off of Wikipedia and other Physics sites so i guess they are wrong also. go tell them they are wrong and see the reaction you get. i need a good laugh right now.
Regards,
Marathonman

#### pmgr

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« Reply #4436 on: August 01, 2018, 06:18:30 AM »
PMGR,

I think you missed the whole point of my post.  Of course you can change flux by changing the number of turns of a coil.  I never said you couldn't.  What I see as foolishness is believing that changing the flux will have any effect on a DIRECT CURRENT.  If you know of a way to control DC current by changing the flux then please feel free to explain that.  Once the voltage stabilizes the only thing that will change the DC current is a change in the resistance of the circuit NOT the inductance as inductive reactance can't even be calculated if the current is DC.

Respectfully,Carroll
Dear Carroll,

I did not miss the point of your post. The issue is that you already assume a DC current from the start (t=0) while driving the circuit with a DC voltage source. The circuit will start up with a transient current and that transient will never converge to a DC value because the inductance is being changed continuously as a function of t (time). This is because there will be a voltage generated over the coil that is equal to d(flux)/dt=d(L*I)/dt.

So you have a DC voltage driving the circuit and a time varying voltage over the coil. As such the current will not be constant, but vary as well (and keep varying) over time as long as the inductance keeps varying.

These things can be very easily proven mathematically, or with a simulation.

PmgR

#### lancaIV

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« Reply #4437 on: August 01, 2018, 09:18:20 AM »
Dear Carroll,

I did not miss the point of your post. The issue is that you already assume a DC current from the start (t=0) while driving the circuit with a DC voltage source. The circuit will start up with a transient current and that transient will never converge to a DC value because the inductance is being changed continuously as a function of t (time). This is because there will be a voltage generated over the coil that is equal to d(flux)/dt=d(L*I)/dt.

So you have a DC voltage driving the circuit and a time varying voltage over the coil. As such the current will not be constant, but vary as well (and keep varying) over time as long as the inductance keeps varying.

These things can be very easily proven mathematically, or with a simulation.

PmgR
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#### marathonman

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« Reply #4438 on: August 01, 2018, 12:35:11 PM »
Very well put PMGR.
Regards,
Marathonman

#### forest

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« Reply #4439 on: August 01, 2018, 01:07:35 PM »
Yep well put , but again in theory. You would need like below micro-second switching time between one turn to another for real change in inductance