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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1553875 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #420 on: November 23, 2013, 05:30:18 AM »
Here is a picture saying what I think he did. Everything to the left of the dashed vertical line is what he patented or made claims on. What he left out of the patent as many say "something is always left out" would be everything to the right of the dashed vertical line.



Forest, Multiple arc simply means "In parallel". The coil and leads represent an "arc" and multiplying them is putting them in parallel (Multiple Arc) while series connecting them is putting them in a string.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #421 on: November 23, 2013, 10:07:05 AM »
Farmhand,, yes it's parallel but I never thought about it such way. Essentially when we have a load connected to two or more coils then those coils are shunted by each others...interesting....it's just a new look

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #422 on: November 23, 2013, 10:39:29 AM »
Yeah Forest, exactly.  :) But we still must be careful to connect them together so as to reinforce each other not with opposite polarities while in phase, kinda thing i think. I'm fairly sure you know what I mean and already understood that, but it is good to say so others might pick up on it.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #423 on: November 27, 2013, 10:31:19 AM »
Arc was a type o , ac connection.
  examine the generator closer KK K'K' the gen has two field magnets it;s simple ac generator so why the four slip rings and brushes? Trace out the connections to the annular ring.
  What will be the hard part is to get the fields centered so that the exact place where they reside in the induced is evenly positioned amongst all the sets so when current is shifted between the inducers it happens at the same time with the same amount. A method to test the field strength of each inducer while in place needs to be established. Any difference of sets will counter the effect in the other sets.every electromagnet of the inducers has to be exactly the same in strength and volume. If you have more volume of iron core or wire in half it wont react evenly on that part of the cycle.

Hi,
 
Then you mean that the connections in the annular ring will reach to a like poles facing each other situation. Is this what you are trying to say?
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #424 on: December 01, 2013, 05:55:37 PM »
Yes, read page two very carefully of Teslas patent. The generator has two coils on the armeture and two magnets either elctro or perm magnets. The two coils are connected to four flip rings. Making two connections to each side of the generator windings. He is splitting each into two. Then off to his ring converter where they are 90 degrees out in one respect but not in the other by way of the second set of connections. The line of greatest effect whirled about. He says "a line" not a square not a rectangle not a field not an egg, a line. The line is where two like poles repel each other. The line is very thin but it contains the volume of both sets of field lines in a small space which can not become mutually interactive with each other except to shift the line in one direction or the other by virtue of the strength of the magnets being controlled. The direction of magnetic flow for each inducer field is in opposite direction of the other. As soon as the line is crossed or the line crosses the induced the field is 180 degrees reversed from the perspective of the induced. How much quicker do you think it would be to move a fine line between two n facing poles a quarter of an inch back and forth compared to completely reversing the poles in a magnetic core. Think about the energy it takes to reverse those poles compared to shifting them slightly.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #425 on: December 05, 2013, 07:04:14 AM »
Y'all might be ALOT smarter than me, I've heard alot of good stuff around here, but as usual, you hear some bullie types, you hear some jokes, and you hear some truth. It works better if there is alot of truth, some jokes and NO bullies. IMHO. WE need to help everyone to help ourselves.
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« Reply #426 on: December 07, 2013, 01:38:42 PM »
You have to go back to the basics often to keep your thoughts aligned with certain basic rules. http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/electromagnetism/magnetism.html
 The device is magnetic without the use of a driving force such as a engine or other brute force mechanism to turn a stationary magnetic field (rotor) inside of a stator.
 The explanation of what makes a magnet stronger and how does a lever and leverage function to do work should not have to be defined to people who have the capacity to use a computer. 
  On the other hand. maybe what makes a magnet stronger is missleading or not entirely complete as it should be. Number of turns of a coil N seams to be often locked up into some notion that the turns have to be from a single conductor. A long single conductor leads to higher Ir resistance and losses from heating. no where in any definition does it state turns or loops have to come from a single conductor. Resistance is measure of the length of a conductor/s, number of turns is not always dependant on a single length of conductor. The basic purpose of dividing cores into thin plates to reduce eddy currents into smaller discrete portions is a form of leveraging forces. No one ever said you cant apply the same thing to your coils to make a stronger magnet from a lesser power source. Even a POS trafo is a leverage, works exactly the same way even from the point of view of isolation.
 There is a lot of stuff out there easily found but even more easily over looked. Look hard enough you might even figure out your coils need a perticular angle on a core to get the most out of them.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #427 on: December 07, 2013, 06:43:49 PM »
You have to go back to the basics often to keep your thoughts aligned with certain basic rules. http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/electromagnetism/magnetism.html
 The device is magnetic without the use of a driving force such as a engine or other brute force mechanism to turn a stationary magnetic field (rotor) inside of a stator.
 The explanation of what makes a magnet stronger and how does a lever and leverage function to do work should not have to be defined to people who have the capacity to use a computer. 
  On the other hand. maybe what makes a magnet stronger is missleading or not entirely complete as it should be. Number of turns of a coil N seams to be often locked up into some notion that the turns have to be from a single conductor. A long single conductor leads to higher Ir resistance and losses from heating. no where in any definition does it state turns or loops have to come from a single conductor. Resistance is measure of the length of a conductor/s, number of turns is not always dependant on a single length of conductor. The basic purpose of dividing cores into thin plates to reduce eddy currents into smaller discrete portions is a form of leveraging forces. No one ever said you cant apply the same thing to your coils to make a stronger magnet from a lesser power source. Even a POS trafo is a leverage, works exactly the same way even from the point of view of isolation.
 There is a lot of stuff out there easily found but even more easily over looked. Look hard enough you might even figure out your coils need a perticular angle on a core to get the most out of them.


Ah Doug1, if I could have Litz wire..... check the same turns coil inductance please somebody can do video ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #428 on: December 07, 2013, 07:59:20 PM »
Litz wire is too expensive. Rough off the hip backwards estimate. 10,000 watts 120 volts AC is 84 amps roughly. Half the volts to be dual dc opposing magnets 60 volt dc, even to take that to a set of 5 being 12 volts each magnet they would have to handle continuous with out over heating at the maximum time the maximum load was expected to run. 12 volts 84 amps 60 percent duty cycle per inducer magnet.
  I can bundle my own and use welding cable specs to cross ref. the ampacity rating for the stranded bundle under constant load. There are formulas to figure out the magnet core specs. Im no math wiz but I will suffer through it. Old texts as I remember used to recommend keeping the lines of flux down to 7000 per cm squared. Using two independent magnets opposing each other the induced is going to encounter a potential difference of magnetic change equal to 14000 lines per cm if it were linear from a single magnets field alternating. The number of inducers can be added to or subtracted as needed to stay below the point of generating waste heat. The return to the original, while Mr figurara does not explain how to use batteries and alternating currents in combination to behave as diodes and amplifiers we can always to fall back old Mr faith full for some detailed explanations and drawings on how to. That would be How to get dc currents from ac currents with out rectifiers or commutators or diodes or tubes. If components fit then there you go. Grab your bucket of flowers and storm that machine gun nest.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #429 on: December 08, 2013, 08:12:23 PM »
¿Vamos a tener un dispositivo de auto-ejecución hasta navidad???????????
Después de tantas teorías y tantas discusiones sería un gran regalo de Navidad, todos están de acuerdo ...

Estoy preguntando, no afirmando ok.

Feliz Navidad.

Are we going to have a self-run device until Christmas???????????
After so many theories and so many discussions, it would be a great Christmas gift, all agree...

I'm asking, not saying ok.

Merry Christmas.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #430 on: December 09, 2013, 01:08:54 AM »
you might even figure out your coils need a particular angle on a core to get the most out of them.

Hi Doug,

I am intriged with this sentence. I could have expected a particular shape to improve the output, but not a particular angle in the coil. Could you define your proposal? I don't get to understand it.

Another question: who is Mr. faith?

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« Reply #431 on: December 09, 2013, 04:39:31 PM »
Tesla is old faithful,there is lot I dont care for about him but he has taken the time and expense to leave behind a great deal of patents to use for educational purposes.
  The angle of wind is just that. The winding as a coil around a core. Sometimes you see coils wound layer after layer with a single conductor back and forth. That method may increase dilectric capacitance inbetween layers but it has to cancel out some of the inductive action. A coil with a slight slant where the winds when considered to be a advancing path around an object partially fall behind on any given portion of the path. At no point would going backwards help to advance anything.Layers of winds should be single layers with terminations at the ends of the start and stop length along the core or bobbin tied together at the ends of each layer. There is nothing  in stone that says each layer has to be of the same wire diameter. Fields weaken as the get further away. Take every advantage. If your winding is around a 1 inch thick trafo "I" section and the coil is 1 inch thick and 1 long the field around the core piece is not going to be rectangular shape that follows the shape of the core. It becomes a shape more like a foot ball.Fewer lines of force or lines that are more spread out in the middle. There will be less induction possible for a given wire size at the places where the lines of force are spread out more. Not that you would intercept it there. If you inclined to try to keep the lines of force more straight and less bowed out in the middle you need to think about why they bowed out in the first place. The windings generating a magnetic field sit over the core. The direction of spin around the windings is in one direction close to the core on the inside of the winding. It's the opposite on the outside of the winding. As the flux created in the core has to complete its path it has to jump over the flux on the outside of the winding which is now going the opposite direction. If the core is hour glass shaped the windings are not only shorter in wire length for the same number of turns the flux is kept in a smaller space and will less effect nearby coils.Less wire ,less core material wasted. Wider pole faces will spread out the number of lines per cm squared and produce less heating on the pole faces if your operating above a excessive level of saturation.In a non moving design, one that does not rotate the rotor piece the heating if it were to happen would be evenly distributed unlike one that does rotate. In a revolving system the heat produced is on the leading or lagging edge of the pole face depending on different factors caused by leading or lagging loads.
  It would be better to just not have a lot of heat develop in the first place but it may not be possible to completely stop that from happening.

  Will ya have a working model before Christmas? I wouldn't bet a plumb nickle on that.Besides time is not important. Rushing causes misstakes that is why I have spent weeks unwinding with greatest care 25lbs of wire from a core I miss calculated. I could go the route of a mini model but i dont trust that everything will work correctly when scaling up. It become far too complicated to think of everything that has to be considered when scaling up. To truly be able to scale down you have to have a way to scale down the size of the magnetic domains in the core material not just use smaller pieces of normal material that reduce the number of domains. Since it will in the end have to be baked to keep the torq on the windings at bay and the volume of materials are not cheap. The time put in if spare time is used which would otherwise be wasted on things that are pointless is instead used to build this.Then time is what is less important. Im in no hurry to see how many mistakes can be made.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #432 on: December 12, 2013, 12:47:49 AM »
Hi all,

There is a spanish patent about a overunity generator filed in 1955 by David Hogan and carlos Ludovik Jakovlewich (patent ES225316) which is curiously very very similar to the Figuera patent No. 303376 , the one with the rotary drum coil.  In this patent the coil is stationary and the magnets are mounted over some rotating discs.

I have translated the claims of this patent:


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CLAIMS SPANISH PATENT ES225316

The authors claim in this patent:

1) New electric generator characterized by the existence of series of discs, variable in number and in dimension, susceptible to host "magnets".

2) New electric generator according to claim 1 characterized in that the series of discs are mounted on a shaft in parallel arrangement ; the shaft rests on its sides over bearings. This arrangement of supporting bearings allow its intermediate extension if required.

3 ) New electric generator according to claims 1 and 2,wherein the " magnets " located in the discs must be placed parallely on the shaft. These discs, spaced, will allow that the poles of the magnets ( magnetos) of each disk are facing " north-south " (opposition of poles).

4) New electric generator according to claims 1 to 3, characterized in that between the discs (series of two) a stationary or fixed screen or sieve (grids) of copper wire or any electroconductive material glazed and covered with insulation is placed.

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In the description it is clearly stated that the authors are describing an overunity generator where a part of the energy produced could be used to power the machine and the rest could be used externally for other uses.

Any comments?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #433 on: December 18, 2013, 11:49:53 PM »
Hi all,
 
 This is how I think that this patent may work fine. This is a modification to solve the problem of cancelling the opposite effect in each side of the coil in the original drawing (IMO). The winding could be a type of classical drum winding which crosses the center point diametrically and surround two discs inside (see photo below).

In my oppinion the key is :

      1. A coil perpendicular to the inducer magnetic field. With this configuration the induced magnetic field will not oppose to the inducer field. There won´t be any opposing field against the magnets.
 
      2. Static wires and moving magnets. With this configuration the wires, being static, will not suffer any dragging force. The dragging force just appears in the wires -where the current is flowing. If the wires are the static part then this problem is skipped, IMO. (The dragging force is calculated as the Lorentz force, F=Intensity•Length•B , and this force just appears in systems with electrical charges in movement. If  we place the current into an static part, then -I think- we won´t have this dragging force which usually opposes the movement)

Therefore there won´t be any opposing field neither any dragging force in the wires.
 
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #434 on: December 19, 2013, 09:54:13 PM »
This geneator if off-topic in this thread. The objetive was to compare it with the Figuera patent No. 30376 with the rotary winding, which share some features with this device

http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/figuera_30376.pdf



 

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