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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334757 times)

NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4050 on: August 23, 2016, 10:37:22 PM »
Ramaswami, this VA-relation is new for me ! Which publication ? 
If it is written 100V and 1A to 300A and totally 20000 W then the tension has to be in the 67V range( pure mathematical by dividing,not VAr including et cet.)

Questionable: 1928 15 hp for heating , Canaries Islands ? Un Palacete mucho grande ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islands climate
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In the european south home heating has not been common.
In my chamber there is not a heater,2016 !

But pardon,Canaries make part from the african shelf ,only geopolitical spanish-european !
Patent publication: Trustable numbers ?


Sir..I do not know climate in European countries.

The 550 volts ibfo is from the 1902 press clipping.

The 100 volts 1 amp input and 20000 watts output at 300 amps I think is in the last patent of Buforn. That would require 10 coils if 10 sq mm to be wound in parallel and connected in parallel.  For this the core must be very large.

On the other hand 670 volts and 30 amps is easier to do and then can be stepped down to ueable electricity.  It is easier to do it and a six inch dia and 18 inch long secondary core can do it. If the input voltage is higher and permanent magnet was used for primary then primary amp can be lower. I would think 1000 volts input at 1 amp wth permanent magnet core in primary can do this easily if we have large cores.

Higher the input voltage higher the secondary wattage. Observed by me. Permanent magnets core would avoid the need for electricity to create electromagnets. We already know by using multifilar coils and plastic uronsheets and plastic between layers in primary current drawn can be considerably reduced.

It is quite possible that the resistor array was used to boost voltage in the ciils from a battery source as the rotary device made the dc into Ac. it could well be that the batteries used are total of 100 volts.   It is possible that the srep down transformer was used to again feed the rotating device durectly eliminating the need for batteries.

The Engineering student who works for me now tells me that the rotary device is a special commutator and if properly bult will be sturdy.  We could not build it.

The first 1908 patent is a disclosure document. Subsequently this could have been run.

The questions are us the input voltage boosted to 1000 volts and if permanent magnets are used in primary.  If the answer is yes the results of 20000 watts I can assure you are doable. Figuera says very little current is needed to excite the primary.  That is what makes me think he used permanent magnets.

What type of steel is the best permanent magnetic material. Can you please find out and advise me.

Regards

Ramaswami





I think 420 gradevsteel rods if stronly magnetised once will not be demagnetised until and unless we heat them above their curie temperature but my knowledge is limited here.

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« Reply #4051 on: August 23, 2016, 11:09:14 PM »
Looking for the Oersted/Gauss-values from permanent magnets in the beginning of the last century
I mean that commercial C5/C8 Ferrite pm will do their job,
alternatively as DIY-solution  http://www.instructables.com/id/Permanent-Magnets/ .

But: this is not the original -no permanent magnets- Figuera/Buforn version

Moderatly I would give the advice to begin a new thread : semi-static F.-B.-R.(amaswami) dynamo ;)

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« Reply #4052 on: August 24, 2016, 11:17:12 AM »
http://phys.org/news/2016-08-physicists-discovery-nature.html
Citing physicists' understanding of the standard model, Feng speculated that there may also be a separate dark sector with its own matter and forces. "It's possible that these two sectors talk to each other and interact with one another through somewhat veiled but fundamental interactions," he said. "This dark sector force may manifest itself as this protophobic force we're seeing as a result of the Hungarian experiment. In a broader sense, it fits in with our original research to understand the nature of dark matter."



Buforn Jacas wrote in the 1914 papers about the"new physics"-view of electro-magnetism and matter .
(Also as argument for the unknown machine-internal process)


Hundred years later the search and findings do not stop.
In the labs measurements are in the "pico"-level.






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« Reply #4053 on: August 24, 2016, 04:20:31 PM »
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« Reply #4054 on: August 25, 2016, 11:22:28 AM »
not copper but iron windings: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/2984608_Eddy_Currents_Theory_and_Applications
eddy currents / load  dis-/advantage
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820302&CC=US&NR=4318019A&KC=A


rotor/static core ~ dynamotor
http://rexresearch.com/alxandr/3913004.pdf


Cadman, 50 Hz x 60 sec by 220 V (European grid)         for 3000 RPM standart     2016
               60 Hz x 60 sec by 110V                                    for 3600 RPM standart     2016


Cadman,you know it all : 1928 ? Pardon,I do not know it ! Figuera-Buforn generator/ load inrush current relation ?  Only resistive load ?

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« Reply #4055 on: August 25, 2016, 01:21:33 PM »
Ramaswami,
a great importance : 1 A to 300 A ! How ?

Conductor:conductor (input-)beginning and conductor-end(-output),conductor length and diameter
Conductor: quantity and turns quantity
Conductor: Ampére-turns ~ RPM strictly to differ from Ampére-conductor-windings/turns
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-turn

 10 A conductor or 10x 1 A conductor ( Figuera/Buforn "commutator" : how many connections ?)

how many independant receiving Ampére-coils here,parallel or seriell connection(?) :
 http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

from 100 Volt to your recitated 550V : resistor/resistance relation and effect ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20020405&CC=JP&NR=2002101679A&KC=A

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A

Probably something for your engineering student !?

 Asking about Ferrit(iron,not steel) (included Ferroelectric):
in the last years this element became a new "reborn" in the labs with some surprising effect-range
Ferrit-Nitrite(META-material) magnets with up to 100 MGOs as alternative to Neodym supermagnets
and Ferrit crystals as alternative to silicium/silicon "green ferrite",IR-em-waves converting

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« Reply #4056 on: August 25, 2016, 03:54:36 PM »
Dear Sir

We habe seen that it is difficult to get high amperage at lower voltages ad it needs a large iron core. It is easier and cheaper to get high voltage and lower  amperage output.  But what is the type of devices that were in use one hundred year's back is difficult to understand today.

These are large electromagnetic devices and demand a team work of five people tp prepare them.

I am not aware of Ferrit. Is it the same as Ferrite which has zinc added to it and can work at high frequency.  Can you please explain more.

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« Reply #4057 on: August 25, 2016, 04:27:08 PM »
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20011123&CC=FR&NR=2809241A1&KC=A1
 french to english translation: " ........rusty soft iron......"
 
soft ferrit cause low permittivity and remanenz for electro-magnetic purpose with HF(=signals)
~ Met-glas,amorph metals

accelerator are also called collider: how many signals do reach the Target or Particle ?
electro-magnetic bombardement with signals/pulses/waves

The physical (Laplace) operator is called Puls-/Frequency-/Time-/Wave-generator !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace_operator  for the "photon energy hunt roulette" by phonon

HF ~high RPM power densities from motor or generator or transformer up to 1KW/0,1KG
are reachable but this has -later- to become realized by active machine cooling

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=4&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19800610&CC=US&NR=4207487A&KC=A
motor/generator        20000 PM 2000 KW/280 Kg ~ Helmut Schiller PAM motor(or generator)

transformer power density compressing technique : Prof.Markov/Ed Sines

http://www.rexresearch.com/szabo/szabo.htm
The self-reliant EBM plant uses its own self-generated electromagnetic fuel. The research and development work of this hi-tech technology began in 1980 in four laboratories in Toronto, Houston, London and in Budapest, managed for ELECTRO ERG LIMITED (EEL) by the GAMMA Group, under Professor L. I. Szabó's leadership.

                                          Menpower and Time investment !

                     

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« Reply #4058 on: August 25, 2016, 06:19:50 PM »
Sir.

If rusted soft iron is what you ment then I have been using high nreds og kilograms of it already.  When we the experiments if we pour 200 ml water into the cores and conduct the experiments the iron gets rusted in no time what is the big deal.

We found that iron got ionised so fast and water evaporated.  If this is the kind of iron that can also become a permanent magnet it explains why soft iron became a permanent magnet in my experiments though a weak Permanent magnet I now have to heat it to remove the magnetism and hen the rods are slightly heat pour water over them and again apply strong magnetic field through a solenoid to make them strongly magnetised.  880 volts Ac given through thin multifilar coils can make current consumed to be 0.25 amperage in primaries and we can raise the current to 300 volts and 10 amps in one secondary coil or 600 volts and 20 amps in two secondary and three primary coil cores. We can test this using a step up transformer and we can use an independent secondary coil to feedback the primary of the step up transformer. This I can test easily.  But I need to wait for the team to assemble first. We can control the voltage and current in the feedback coil easily. 

So rusted oft iron is all that is needed. I have however ndreds of kilograms of it.

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« Reply #4059 on: August 25, 2016, 06:41:11 PM »
Cadman,you know it all : 1928 ? Pardon,I do not know it ! Figuera-Buforn generator/ load inrush current relation ?  Only resistive load ?

How about a little reality check

Just ask yourself;

What materials and technology did Señor Figuera have access to? What industrial base existed at that time to manufacture those materials?

CM

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« Reply #4060 on: August 25, 2016, 06:50:41 PM »
Cadman,this are the questions ! Search range !? Only Spain or Europe or world-wide ?
 Answer which would only get : several different types !
I would say,each machine: unikum ,1928 ! No industrial mass production norm !

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« Reply #4061 on: August 25, 2016, 06:58:09 PM »
powdered ferrite related :a little mad idea -not from me- is to treat minerals like " sea animals",aquarium-like  : feeding them !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931111&CC=DE&NR=4222678A1&KC=A1

recitating Prof. Szabos view : an "electro-magnetic fuel"
 
soft ferrite related:
powdered ferrite to ferrite block and if you use the material bonding resonant frequency you will get this machine effect :
http://www.igus.eu/wpck/6328/app_vector10_Nierensteinzertruemmerer?C=DE&L=en

or welding parts = arc welder function

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Figuera device: interview 1902
https://archive.org/stream/Clemente_Figuera/Interview_Figuera_1902#page/n1/mode/2up
"with the power to run a motor developping a force of twenty horsepower"
electric motor efficiencies 1928 to get +/- generator output

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« Reply #4062 on: August 25, 2016, 08:02:35 PM »
Cadman,this are the questions ! Search range !? Only Spain or Europe or world-wide ?
 Answer which would only get : several different types !
I would say,each machine: unikum ,1928 ! No industrial mass production norm !

Search range:

Elementary Dynamo Design W. Benison Hird 1908
Dynamo Electric Machinery Silvanus Thompson
Fourth Edition Vol I 1893 ?
Fifth Edition Vol II 1896
Seventh Edition Vol I 1904
Auto-Transformer Design Alfred H. Avery  1909

Search range: http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/
Dates: 2014 - 2016
Key words: Doug1, marathonman, Hanon

Search range: https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/

I am 100% serious

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« Reply #4063 on: August 25, 2016, 09:13:46 PM »
serious ?  :o
https://archive.org/stream/Clemente_Figuera/Interview_Figuera_1902#page/n1/mode/2up
"... All parts have been built separately in various workshops(mean offices) under the management
of the inventor,..." Delivered from France,Germany and so on !

In the papers are only cited: Pixii ( from wikipedia: electrification)
Around 1832, Hippolyte Pixii improved the magneto by using a wire wound horseshoe, with the extra coils of conductor generating more current, but it was AC. André-Marie Ampère suggested a means of converting current from Pixii's magneto to DC using a rocking switch. Later segmented commutators were used to produce direct current.[4]
William Fothergill Cooke and Charles Wheatstone developed a telegraph around 1838-40. In 1840 Wheatstone was using a magneto that he developed to power the telegraph. Wheatstone and Cooke made an important improvement in electrical generation by using a battery-powered electromagnet in place of a permanent magnet, which they patented in 1845.[5] The self-excited magnetic field dynamo did away with the battery to power electromagnets. This type of dynamo was made by several people in 1866.

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« Reply #4064 on: August 26, 2016, 01:06:06 AM »
LancaIV. .Sir. .

Can you please the links for the specific patents that you indicated in your last post. The principle stated is correct but the circuit needscto be changed if we change the geometry.  We can do away with the rotary device totally to achieve the same result claimed in the Figuera bpapers. I thought it hides only one component but it seems to hide two if we change the geometry.

Please post the old patent links of pixxi and others thatbused permanent magnets to boost output.

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Ramaswami