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« Reply #4035 on: August 22, 2016, 09:26:38 AM »
This is from a 2012 version of Patrick Kelly ebook, chapter 3, about Richard Willis generator and a simplified version done from a user called silverhealtheu.

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The input power supply is fed to an electromagnet but is converted into a pulsed supply by the use of an interrupter switch which may be mechanical or electronic. As can be seen, the arrangement is particularly simple although it is an unusual configuration with the electromagnet core touching one of the permanent magnets and not the other. The magnet and electromagnet poles are important, with the permanent magnet North poles pointing towards the electromagnet and when the electromagnet is powered up, it’s South pole is towards the North pole of the permanent magnet which it is touching. This means that when the electromagnet is powered up, it’s magnetic field strengthens the magnetic field of that magnet.

There is a one-centimetre gap at the other end of the electromagnet and it’s North pole opposes the North pole of the second permanent magnet. With this arrangement, each electromagnet pulse has a major magnetic effect on the area between the two permanent magnets

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Silverhealtheu.   One of the EVGRAY yahoo forum members whose ID is ‘silverhealtheu’ has described a simple device which appears to be not unlike the Richard Willis generator above.

The device consists of an iron bar one inch (25 mm) in diameter and one foot (300 mm) long. At one end, there is a stack of five neodymium magnets and at the opposite end, a single neodymium magnet. At the end with the five magnets, there is a coil of wire which is strongly pulsed by a drive circuit. Down the length of the bar, a series of pick-up coils are positioned. Each of these coils picks up the same level of power that is fed to the pulsing coil and the combined output is said to exceed the input power.

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Look for the similarities with Figuera...
North South for Motor North North for Generator in the motionless MoGen of Silverhealtheu.

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« Reply #4036 on: August 22, 2016, 11:37:08 AM »
Ramaswami,
to have one free energy vulgo "overunity" machine is one thing ! 
To reach the "thesis"-level(Doctor-degree,docere=dozieren/teach) another !


The "thesis"-degree,Dr.-title hono(u)r, you get by academy peers ,Professors/Docents !           For honor ! = industrial "open source"
Commercial this "thesis"-level is the "patent grant" ,examination by patent office "peers" !       For industrial production !


                    A patent application gives you the possibility to get object claims examination and approvement or object claims deny !


                                 Anyone are against application for the "patent grant"-ing status : Why ?
                                 Monopole-(market power)?
                                     
                                 
                                 Condition : only examination/peers approvement interests (and/ or cheap mass-production) :
                                 200 estates in the U.N.O. , application only for 1 estate 
                                 but the examination result will become world-wide "technical standart" ! 


                                Second : safety-approvement (TUEV,UAL and other recognized laboratory organisations)
                                Third : Warranty (machine longivity,hazardfree, no rare materials, no ambiental risc )
                                Fourth: scaleabilty
 
                                = sustainable development       


                               Some grams "machine" are not the breakthrough !
                   It is only the demonstration for a long path -over all instances !


                               Target: each household/consumer worl-wide -private and commercial
                         
                               there are atomic bombs and atomic reactors.
                               there are fusion bombs but no fusion reactors
                   (probably beginning of commercial energy production: 2050,I.T.E.R.)   


                               Now we got informated about high energy conversion densities :
                          MW per " 1 gram machine" as nano-foil (+ two different currents/streams)
http://overunity.com/16727/real-water-power-that-could-be-the-game-changer/15/#.V7rVA9crwSM

               Onced "Impossible !" in theoretical numbers  making this to future standart = NORM !


                                                      some generations before:
                               Trains with more than 20 Km/h velocity ? The cows will becoming mad !
                                                                 Mad-cow-syndrom
                             
           The first  free energy/overunity machines appeared more than 100 years before .
           denied as perpetuum mobile machines(1.kind) or academical withdrawn as 2.kind machines :
                                           ambiental/human health riscs :
            uncontroleable chain reaction with "point of no return"-entering:
                                                      self-destruction

   
            The Messieurs Biot and Savart has been members of the Parish Academie of Science,
            the first institution worldwide which denied the possibility of such machines.

            I reed in one of them bibliography that there has been the hypothesis
            in the 19.century from a french inventor about a
            "watermotor- with perpetuum mobile effect";
            Biot (or Savart) helped him to realize the hypothesis to reality/thesis !

            Neither this french inventor is today known,nor  Biot and Savart and their law
           -outside academies ! 
           We can call them "dissidents": working against the Dogma/Doctrin

       
            Projects risk examples, total professionality/experience and up to billions financial units
            investment and menpower hours :
            Tata Nano,Thyssen Brazil steel plant,Siemens production plant GB

            Friendly partners will become your enemies, meant enemies probably friends and partners
            over the development instances.
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            Lorentz-Kraft(=force),wikipedia german edition
           
            Biot-Savart law and Biot-Savart force
            https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentzkraft
           
            deutsch/german
Kraft zwischen zwei stromdurchflossenen LeiternSiehe auch: Ampèresches Kraftgesetz Verknüpft man die Formel für die Lorentzkraft auf stromdurchflossene Leiter mit dem Biot-Savart-Gesetz für das Magnetfeld um stromdurchflossene Leiter, so ergibt sich eine Formel für die Kraft, die zwei stromdurchflossene dünne Leiter aufeinander ausüben, was in der Literatur auch als ampèresches Kraftgesetz (nicht zu verwechseln mit dem ampèreschen Gesetz) bezeichnet wird.[3]
Wenn die beiden Leiter dünn sind und einander parallel gegenüberliegen wie die gegenüberliegenden Seiten eines Rechtecks, dann ergibt sich die schon von der Ampère-Definition her bekannte einfache Formel für den Kraftbetrag      F  12     {\displaystyle F_{12}}  (https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/35bd8bf2dd739f74f6c888ae839d364d7ca8cf8d) der aufeinander wirkenden (nach dem Wechselwirkungsprinzip gleich großen) Kräfte:
      F  12   = ℓ ⋅    μ  0    2 π        I  1    I  2    r     {\displaystyle F_{12}=\ell \cdot {\frac {\mu _{0}}{2\pi }}{\frac {I_{1}I_{2}}{r}}}
 Dabei ist     ℓ   {\displaystyle \ell }  die (bei beiden Leitern gleich große) Länge der Leiter,     r   {\displaystyle r}  ihr gegenseitiger Abstand und
      I  1   ,  I  2     {\displaystyle I_{1},I_{2}} sind die Stromstärken in den beiden Leitern.


english translation by google:
Force between two current-carrying conductors
See also: Ampèresches force law

Related to the formula for the Lorentz force acting on a current-carrying conductor with the Biot-Savart law for the magnetic field around current-carrying conductor, the result is a formula for the force to exercise the two current-carrying thin conductors each other, which in the literature as ampèresches power law ( not to be confused is designated by the Ampere's law). [3]

If the two conductors are thin and parallel to each other are opposite as opposite sides of a rectangle, then the already forth known by the ampere definition simple formula results for the amount of force F 12 {\ displaystyle F_ {12}} {\ displaystyle F_ {12 }} of interacting (equal to the interaction principle) forces:

    F 12 = ℓ ⋅ μ 0 2 π I 1 I 2 r {\ displaystyle F_ {12} = \ ell \ cdot {\ frac {\ mu _ {0}} {2 \ pi}} {\ frac {I_ {1 } I_ {2}} {r}}} {\ displaystyle F_ {12} = \ ell \ cdot {\ frac {\ mu _ {0}} {2 \ pi}} {\ frac {I_ {1} I_ { 2}} {r}}}

Here is ℓ {\ displaystyle \ ell} \ ell the (for both conductors of the same size) length of the conductor, r {\ displaystyle r} r their mutual distance and I 1, I 2 {\ displaystyle I_ {1}, I_ {2 }} {\ displaystyle I_ {1}, {2}} I_ are the currents in the two conductors.


Lorentz-force,wikipedia english edition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force    somebody reads about Biot and or Savart
                                             Or Laplace/Ampére (force) ?     

                                                        Does this matter ?             
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Lorentz-force is the nuclear force ,the only used perpetuum mobile science : the atomic radiation activity during the decay cycle=
                                                                                                                          during elementar transformation


accelerating the force and forced decay by Biot-Savart force(or Laplace/Ampére force)


Lorentz-Transformation gives us e=mc²            c= velocity of light              X²= acceleration        m=result from (M1-M2) decay


Nikola Tesla did a structural change : e=tc²            Minkowski( Einstein was one of his students) RAUM(space)-Zeit(time)

https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=39663
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/electromagnetics-and-energy.912307/

                                                             Does this really matter ?
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« Reply #4037 on: August 22, 2016, 11:43:56 AM »
APPARENTLY YOU TWO LOVE TO HEAR YOUR SELVES TALK.

do we think we can keep the topic confined to Figuera device and not write a book on chatter, PLEASE !

Hanon;

what is your point in posting those devices.? what are you trying to convey.?  even "if" remotely,  they do have some slight similarity what can it do to help a completely differently operating device.?  i am really not trying to make you upset but  those devices operate completely different from the Figuera device.
it would seem to me that only a few people on this web site are actually pursuing a build of the device and the rest are nothing but a distraction and a waste of time,  filling this thread with gibberish and denying those that want to learn.
Rswami;
Don't hold your breath, it won't happen in your lifetime. you and your kind are a distraction to this thread and forum in general.
MM
« Last Edit: August 23, 2016, 02:59:18 AM by marathonman »

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« Reply #4038 on: August 22, 2016, 01:20:38 PM »
Doug

You may please call me Rams if it is easy to use.

I have to decline to accept the bait. In theoretical knowledge you are a Tiger and I am a cat. Not fair game here.

I only shared my experiments and observations.

lancaIV..sir..the one more observation that I need to share is that increasing the primary voltage dramatically increases the secondary wattage. You can reduce the primary amperage by using multifilar coils with plastic iron sheet plastic placed between layers of primary multifilar wire. Magnetism is intense. Input is AC. Cause is increasing inductive impedance in primary.  I can only experiment once in a month now and if I have reportable results I will share.

My coils are fairly large. They are heavy.  It takes time and effort to winfmd them and experiment. 

Marathonman.. here is a deal you cannot refuse.  You tender an unconditional apology to all including Mr. Dare Diamond and I will not post here in this thread. You know I am honest. 

Regards

Ramaswami
But why would my friend, my darling 5&6 Mr.Marathonman nott want you to post on here again? Why did make such request? Definitely the correct practicals and theories made available by you is giving some people heartache.

For Motion in the primary, it is NSNS vice-versa I.e Clockwise to Clockwise and leads connection in parallel or Clockwise to anticlockwise and lead connection of n series.

For Lenz Negation ii the secondary, it is NN vice-versa which is Clockwise to Anticlockwise and lead connection in Parallel only.

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« Reply #4039 on: August 22, 2016, 03:21:28 PM »
Rams

Oh..This is the difference between transformers and generator. .well. Doug I used soft iron rods and weak residual magnetism is present in about 15% of the rods. They are very weak though.

You can say impurities are the reason.

Can you point out the specific part of the patent thatvsays no residual magnetism is present.

Regards


Ramaswami

 Your over simplifying it. For getting there are separate cores. I will look for it later this evening.

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« Reply #4040 on: August 22, 2016, 03:40:51 PM »
Transformer is really not transformer but saturable reactor. The essence is flux linkage and common core in the sense that the load applied on secondary effect the saturation of core which effect primary current. This feedback mechanism is the problem , second one is Lenz law and so on....

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« Reply #4041 on: August 22, 2016, 03:41:02 PM »
Sir..

What I observe is this. .

Here mains voltage is not constant.  It flutuates between 190 to 220 volts. In the same set up output of secondary is 30 volts when input voltage is 220 volts. Output of secondary drops to 18 volts when input voltage is 190 volts. We have 50 hz here.

Similarly if you increase the voltage to 1000 volts frpm 100 volts output voltage will shoot up. Secondary resistance being constant when secondary voltage is increased the amperage also raises. Amperage is based on secondary wire thickness and amazingly thickness of secondary insulation.  I understand thick wire producing higher amps but I do not understand the insulation part. Information on insulation is available in Daniel McFarland Cook patent and in Joesph Cater book. No where else.

Don Smith wrote double the voltage quadruple the output. This is true for secondary. 

I cannot write on specific numbers as I have not experimented andobserved but if you increase primary voltage secondary is bound to increase. If you are inclined to experiment please pm me.

Doug..Intensity of magnetic field and input voltage are the two things that matter from my
observations. Please explain in simple English for people like me to understand if you feel otherwise.

Regards

Ramaswami
For every 200ohms resistance, minimum of 500V is needed.

When you exhaust the maximum voltage a coil can bear, the remaining factor or property that will allow you to continually generate high magnetic field is Frequency which is universal. The needed voltage of a coil have something to do with it Maximum Ohmic Value or Resistance Value. But the maximum applicable Voltage is determined by the Resistance and LEVEL OF WIRE.INSULATION.
Normally, you would want to stay below the radar so as not to get your coil burnt.

The Maximum frequency your coil can bear is determined by the type of Core of your Coil. Air core Coils have little or.NO LIMITATION to the amount of Frequency it can withstand. While Iron Core is the opposite.

However, to use generally safe frequency of 60hz to drive your coil at the applicable voltage/resistance level and still generate massive Magnetic Force or Flux, then Twisted Serially Connected Wires must be applied. But would this allow for a self-runner? Arguably No is the answer because low frequency of 60hz will make the primaries to consume High Amperage which the Battery can not easily absorbed even if the secondary winding will provide it in 10 fold or more .Butteries have charging current and discharging current limitations. So to achieve overunity using batteries to power your device, it is require that your Primaries must consume below the maximum charging current of your battery or Batterry bank.
 
The Higher the input voltage the higher the output voltage but the effect will not be Extremely Powerfull as when the other factor is applied. The factor is increment in frequency.

When you coninually increase the  rate or speed of switching, the Primary will continually drop input current but increase the more Output AMPERAGE. AND IN TOTAL, OUTPUT POWER IN WATT!

You need no HIGH INPUT CURRENT TO Generate High Magnetic Force you simply need ***HIGH FREQUENCY*** HIGH VOLTAGE*** and Optionally Twisted Serially Connected Multifilar Wire ( TSCMW).

Radiation emitted at high frequency is not a barrier, Simply place your Derive in an Alluminium Box. You can optionally perforate it for proper ventilation.




How big and permeable your core is determines your applicable maximum amount of frequency to your coil.

Now a days, you need Pure Sine Wave inverter (motionless Switch) to Run Overunity Devices. So building one that have variable frequency is a MUST.


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« Reply #4042 on: August 22, 2016, 05:13:39 PM »
So Mr. Forest

Once core is saturated primary will not draw further current. Right.

Core saturation problem solved.

Core heating problem solved

Lenz law problem solved

Controlling the EM radiation and reducing it is alredy solved and solutions are available but it it needs to be kept in secluded areas.

Feedback problem can be solved easily but there are valid concerns about drawing excessive energy from environment. Figuera solved it using very low frequency if the patent info is genuine.  I think it is highly edited info. So I cannot rely on it. There is no info on feedback circuit in any patent.  But there are other methods.

If Time money and health permits I will do it in future.

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Ramaswami

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« Reply #4043 on: August 23, 2016, 12:24:59 PM »
If the Figuera device is a static machine(except the commutating function doing motor)
cutting the lines and the angular momentum, an example (one from the Flynn papers citing docs):
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=WO&NR=2009112877A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=5&date=20090917&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
The above-mentioned principles are also value for the Tran-energy machines without permanent magnet(s) in the core(s) of the magnetic circuit(s)

Keiichiro Asaoka : static dynamo machine ,no C.O.P. explaining
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19990720&CC=US&NR=5926083A&KC=A

C.O.P. 1,8-4,8 ;with permanent magnet (Figuera device without)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=JP&NR=2003102164A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20030404&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

We know the cycle duration from batteries and capacitors/condensators :
what have been the working quantities in hours of the Figuera/Buforn device ?
The average motor/electro-imans/magnets service life in the beginnings from the last century ?

We are reading about 20000 W output : how long ? Economical numbers ? HF pulsed DC output ?

Pulse : Dirac surges and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea
                                                electron-proton-positron (to plasmon-ics)
The development of quantum field theory (QFT) in the 1930s made it possible to reformulate the Dirac equation in a way that treats the positron as a "real" particle rather than the absence of a particle, and makes the vacuum the state in which no particles exist instead of an infinite sea of particles. This picture is much more convincing, especially since it recaptures all the valid predictions of the Dirac sea, such as electron-positron annihilation. On the other hand, the field formulation does not eliminate all the difficulties raised by the Dirac sea; in particular the problem of the vacuum possessing infinite energy.

Modern interpretation:
Conclusion:
additive to "positive energy machine"(heat) we will develop "negative energy machine"s (cold)

quantum field converter: energetic electron to thermic electron : eV-dependance
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=4720642A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19880119&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

Because electron became named  -not by me,but by international convention- ion :
                                            thermic + ion = thermion
                                            hot and cold "electricity"
                                            with  PTC/NTC
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« Reply #4044 on: August 23, 2016, 06:49:56 PM »
Jeez lancaIV,

I thought you were going to do a systematic study and breakdown of the Figuera patents. ?

We really don't need to comprehend every other generator patent, dirac surges,  quantum field theory, the Dirac sea, electron-positron annihilation, negative energy machines, ad nauseam.

Focus man! :D

Regards
CM

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« Reply #4045 on: August 23, 2016, 07:07:24 PM »
                                       Cadman : #4030 ! #4031 !
                                    what-you-read-is-what-you-get ?

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« Reply #4046 on: August 23, 2016, 07:25:39 PM »
Sir. .That 20000 watts with 300 Amps means about 67 volts. I tried to do it but it is not working.  300 volts and 70 amps could be credible or even thevreported 550 volts at 35 amps is very credible. Will require a 10 sq mm wire to handle that current.

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« Reply #4047 on: August 23, 2016, 08:32:24 PM »
                                       Cadman : #4030 ! #4031 !
                                    what-you-read-is-what-you-get ?

Analysis paralysis !

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« Reply #4048 on: August 23, 2016, 08:47:00 PM »
Sir. .That 20000 watts with 300 Amps means about 67 volts. I tried to do it but it is not working.  300 volts and 70 amps could be credible or even the reported 550 volts at 35 amps is very credible. Will require a 10 sq mm wire to handle that current.

Regards

Ramaswami

Ramaswami, this VA-relation is new for me ! Which publication ? 
If it is written 100V and 1A to 300A and totally 20000 W then the tension has to be in the 67V range( pure mathematical by dividing,not VAr including et cet.)

Questionable: 1928 15 hp for heating , Canaries Islands ? Un Palacete mucho grande ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islands climate
Average low °C (°F)
15.0
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15.0
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15.7
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16.2
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17.3
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19.2
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20.8
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21.6
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21.4
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20.1
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18.1
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16.2
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18.0
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In the european south home heating has not been common.
In my chamber there is not a heater,2016 !

But pardon,Canaries make part from the african shelf ,only geopolitical spanish-european !
Patent publication: Trustable numbers ?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #4049 on: August 23, 2016, 09:31:16 PM »
Analysis paralysis !

Cadman,the Figuera/Buforn Jacas device is a "Maer",something like a "dreammachine" with absolutely
no detailed description for DIY.    "terra incognita"
paralysis: parar =stopping/hold on
Ja=yeah,introducing educated knowledge and quantum possibilities in these concept,
a 2.kind ppm-machine