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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2064428 times)

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« Reply #3990 on: August 19, 2016, 05:00:00 AM »
Erfinder; well put. nothing wrong with drinking a beer with intelligent friends contemplating life's numerous amazement's.

Cadman; no intelligent response will ever be given if that is what your waiting for. deception seems to be our key advisory with no growth in the process.

see it took me a while to except NN also, but once i pulled my head out my back side i learned so much in the process.
it's funny to think it took William Hooper 70 years to prove Figuera's design. that is like Tesla, way ahead of his time. even then Tesla told Walter Russel to bury his knowledge for a thousand years until humanity was ready for it.

if William Hooper would of known about Figuera's device things would of been different. i think Hooper would of been blows away by the simplicity and elegance of His device.
to think two opposing electromagnets would create a very strong E field is crazy until you do the "RESEARCH" into the device. and most of all,  the sheer genius of part G is mind boggling, to split an incoming DC signal into two separate signals using two opposing fields then varying each one individually but in unison is sheer utter genius, not to mention the declining electromagnet feeding the core of part G every half turn of the brush to feed the next high set is down Right amazing.
the man had one hell of a mind on him i tell you that.

« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 06:30:40 PM by marathonman »

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« Reply #3991 on: August 19, 2016, 05:48:27 AM »
Quote from Teselkola;
Would you take piano lessons from someone who couldn't actually play the piano, even though he has read a biography of Beethoven?

does that remind you of anyone cadman ?
« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 10:15:16 PM by marathonman »

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« Reply #3992 on: August 19, 2016, 05:22:12 PM »
darediamond,

I have a question for you that relates to the subject matter of this thread, in particular the 1908 and later patents.

Imagine a hypothetical inducing coil as depicted in the patents.
The coil has a core with 32 cm^2 cross sectional area perpendicular to its length.
There are 500 turns of  wire on this core.
10 volts DC and 1 amp of current flow through this coil.
Suppose this coil produces a flux strength of 24000 gauss which is used to induce an emf in the adjacent secondary y coil.

Without adding any magnets or additional coils, or changing the voltage or amperage flowing through the coil, or the number of turns of wire, how can this coil be modified to increase the flux strength to 48000 gauss?

I know how I could accomplish this but I am curious as to what method you personally would employ.

CM

dear member,
I am not self-blended enough and impressed by your statement ,so I ask you : how ?
Only the Figuera device related or your solution unlimited the magnetic sphere related ?
The coil modified: 2d to 3d geometry,fill factor ?

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« Reply #3993 on: August 19, 2016, 08:34:20 PM »
All else equal, volts, amps, wire turns, core length, then doubling the cross sectional area of the core doubles the flux.
The flux density remains the same but people forget the density is per area

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/94828/what-is-the-physical-significance-of-the-unit-ampere-meter-in-magnetics

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« Reply #3994 on: August 19, 2016, 09:22:40 PM »
Frequency also has some barring.

MM

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« Reply #3995 on: August 19, 2016, 09:35:41 PM »
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/94828/what-is-the-physical-significance-of-the-unit-ampere-meter-in-magnetics
This means that if the cross sectional area A of a ferrite doubles, Magnetic flux also doubles.

Yes,okay,I thank you a lot for this advice !
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/magnetic-forces-and-magnetic-fields/magnetic-field-current-carrying-wire/v/magnetism-6-magnetic-field-due-to-current

This let me remind to an offered image from member GM,timely up to 1 decade before,who showed us that for permanent magnets not the wide or lang is important but the N- or- S-pol active area !

Analogon.

1+1=2

http://gap-power.com/replications-by-others.html               em force + pm force = ........
 In the video he demonstrates the power of a magnet's lifting capacity of 6.99 grams. He then demonstrates the lifting capacity of the coil of 21.57 grams.  He then demonstrates the lifting capacity of the combination, magnet and coil, in amplification mode, which is 76.65 grams. My thoughts on this is: ... 6.99 grams + 21.57 grams = 28.56 grams, which is what one would expect the result to be. But no, it was 76.65 grams. 76.65 divided by 28.56 = 2.68 times more power. He then demonstrates neutralization mode and how the magnetic force was completely blocked, with a lifting capacity of 0.0  grams.

There is a push&pull attraction/repulsion force difference

The amplification mode is known as experimental results by the Flynn brothers.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/harwood4.gif
https://web.archive.org/web/20020610043439/http://flynnresearch.net/Software.htm

Here the open/closed permanent magnet path circuit result:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/harwood5.jpg

and here the static or rotoric use:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/harwood10.gif

If there are constructed such devices,in conjunction from electro- and permanent magnets,
which is the amplification mode force effect formula ?

http://www.flynnresearch.net/technology/PPMT%20technology%20white%20paper.pdf
page 5
Low power consumption per unit of force/torque. PPMT devices generate twice the magnetic flux strength and four times the force of an equivalent direct field coil system for the same electrical input.
No  power  consumption for  latches,linear actuators,or  rotary  actuators to  hold  force.
Since  PPMT devices  derive  their  primary  motive  force  from  permanent  magnets  they  hold  with  full  force  during power-off conditions.

The problem what I see: this progress was in a 40 years schedule by known use of material specifications.

WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE USED MATERIALS AND PRODUCTION QUALITIES
OF THE FIGUERA DEVICE




Sincerely
              OCWL
« Last Edit: August 19, 2016, 11:52:52 PM by lancaIV »

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« Reply #3996 on: August 19, 2016, 09:46:59 PM »
sounds like that reply was ran through 256 bit encryption before posting. can you de encrypt for us to understand please.

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« Reply #3997 on: August 20, 2016, 04:21:30 AM »
All else equal, volts, amps, wire turns, core length, then doubling the cross sectional area of the core doubles the flux.
The flux density remains the same but people forget the density is per area

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/94828/what-is-the-physical-significance-of-the-unit-ampere-meter-in-magnetics


This is elementary Sir..

When you increase the duameter of the core the volume and hence mass of magnetic core  increases. Why?

Volume of cylinder is pi x r x r x h or it is 3.14 x radius squared x height.

If we use 18 inch long and 4 inch dia pipe the mass of iron is approximately 29.5 kgm. But for a 18 inch long and 6 inch dia pipe the mass is about 60 kgms.
Therefore the magnetism increases significantly and hence flux increases.

What you have not stated is to maintain the same number of turns more wire will be needed and it will consume more current again and if my limited understaning is correct it will also increase the inductance and hence flux. Output is directly proportional yo mass of iron core.

With due respect these are basic principles and observations sir.

Naturally our good friend Marathonman finds answer of lancaIV to be wriiten in coded language. What can we do? He is so lucky he sold away the part G for a considerable fee. If it was with him he could try to understand.

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Ramaswami

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« Reply #3998 on: August 20, 2016, 04:51:33 AM »
Quote
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http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/94828/what-is-the-physical-significance-of-the-unit-ampere-meter-in-magnetics
This means that if the cross sectional area A of a ferrite doubles, Magnetic flux also doubles.

Yes,okay,I thank you a lot for this advice !
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/magnetic-forces-and-magnetic-fields/magnetic-field-current-carrying-wire/v/magnetism-6-magnetic-field-due-to-current

This let me remind to an offered image from member GM,timely up to 1 decade before,who showed us that for permanent magnets not the wide or lang is important but the N- or- S-pol active area !

Analogon.

1+1=2

http://gap-power.com/replications-by-others.html               em force + pm force = ........
 In the video he demonstrates the power of a magnet's lifting capacity of 6.99 grams. He then demonstrates the lifting capacity of the coil of 21.57 grams.  He then demonstrates the lifting capacity of the combination, magnet and coil, in amplification mode, which is 76.65 grams. My thoughts on this is: ... 6.99 grams + 21.57 grams = 28.56 grams, which is what one would expect the result to be. But no, it was 76.65 grams. 76.65 divided by 28.56 = 2.68 times more power. He then demonstrates neutralization mode and how the magnetic force was completely blocked, with a lifting capacity of 0.0  grams.

There is a push&pull attraction/repulsion force difference

The amplification mode is known as experimental results by the Flynn brothers.
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/harwood4.gif
https://web.archive.org/web/20020610043439/http://flynnresearch.net/Software.htm

Here the open/closed permanent magnet path circuit result:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/harwood5.jpg

and here the static or rotoric use:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/harwood10.gif

If there are constructed such devices,in conjunction from electro- and permanent magnets,
which is the amplification mode force effect formula ?

http://www.flynnresearch.net/technology/PPMT%20technology%20white%20paper.pdf
page 5
Low power consumption per unit of force/torque. PPMT devices generate twice the magnetic flux strength and four times the force of an equivalent direct field coil system for the same electrical input.
No  power  consumption for  latches,linear actuators,or  rotary  actuators to  hold  force.
Since  PPMT devices  derive  their  primary  motive  force  from  permanent  magnets  they  hold  with  full  force  during power-off conditions.

The problem what I see: this progress was in a 40 years schedule by known use of material specifications.

WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE USED MATERIALS AND PRODUCTION QUALITIES
OF THE FIGUERA DEVICE




Sincerely
              OCWL

I think there is a reference that Figuera did magic using permanent magnets.

I would guess that he used high voltage and low amperage in primary permanent magnets and oscillatwd them and seconday was soft iron to incemrease induction .

From experiments I do know that higher the input voltage higher tje output. If secondary is placed within NS poles of two permanent magnets output will increase naturally if we give high voltage to primary. Electricity of very mild amount is needed to make it an electronagnet.

The rotary device was probably used to create high voltage sparks and a step up tranformer from secondary continued to provide high voltage to primary.

Violet ray devicesthat are 10 watts provude 50000 volts and very low amps microamps fir healing purposes. The rotary device can easily produce super high voltages from low input.

Thus is a guess but think can work. We need to test.

Regards

Ramaswami

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« Reply #3999 on: August 20, 2016, 07:35:11 AM »
Well you were right Marathonman, it's a complete waste of time.


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« Reply #4000 on: August 20, 2016, 08:43:24 AM »
yep, we now have three bobble heads to deal with. this forum is over run with em and we will never get any where as long as they are here. i will of course but the sharing is over as the bobble heads keep introducing completely irrational ideas confusing every new comer to the point passing on the Figuera. that's the whole point of trash talkers to misdirect and confuse all the while getting paid.

just email me if you have any questions, this thread is ruined.

MM

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« Reply #4001 on: August 20, 2016, 09:05:09 AM »
quote;"Of course his set up made the two electromagnets alternately stronger and weaker and we did not test that"

now the whole world knows Doug, Hanon, Cadman, Wistiti, Sam6 and many others, that all posted has been a complete fabrication of deception designed to mislead all the new people.
i even want the moderator to read the deception and lies from this person darediamond and Rswami. all this time they gas "NEVER" even tried the patent as written,  bad mouthing all of us in the process. how disgusting is that. read his post moderator and decide for yourself

MM non deceiver.

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« Reply #4002 on: August 20, 2016, 09:20:14 AM »
this is to the moderator, can we start a new thread to rid the trash.

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« Reply #4003 on: August 20, 2016, 11:40:46 AM »
Ramaswami,
I  do re-/search for several decades.
But not for my one.
And I am learning. Day by day.




I phoned and spoke or have had letter/e-mail correspondence  with several (also rexresearch listen) inventors.
Thomas Cosby,Keith Kenyon,.... .(some now R.I.P.)


Also with overunity.com-member JackH.(R.I.P.)
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/zpe_hilden_brand.html
http://tesla3.com/free_websites/zpe_hilden_brand_valve.gif
double the flux line to four times the magnetic force

wind converter  wind-ing    winding coil
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19801118&CC=US&NR=4234289A&KC=A
 Little has been done in the way of molding, shaping, directing, or increasing the velocity of the incoming fluid upon the rotor arrangement. In theory, the power available from a fluid current is proportional to the cube of the fluid current velocity. Therefore, the most powerful fluid driven machine would be one in which means are provided to increase the velocity of the arriving fluid and which is designed for maximum efficiency.

                                       Bionik-Professor research:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850314&CC=DE&NR=3330899A1&KC=A1
most important sentence ,automatic espacenet translation:

  The invention is based on the finding that fluid mechanics is an analogy between Elektrotechnikund.  This is that an electromagnetic field around a beliebiggebogenen wire-shaped conductor and a flow field to an arbitrarily shaped vortex thread by the same law describes the Biot-Savart law. The variables "increase in magnetic field strength" and "speed increase" therefore correspond to each other. As magnetic field strength can thus concentrate indemman a current-carrying conductor wound into a coil, you can also indians Strömungstechnik achieve a speed increase by winding a Wirbelfadenzu a coil. If one arranges a plurality of co-rotating weevil soan that their axes lie on a circle, they will rotate due to the opposite side for induction to the center of the circle. The induction is growing while mitder number of vertebrae. The winding speed increases and the Wibelfäden nähernsich the form of lying close to dic-ht ring vortices. The velocity field that induce this ring vortices in its interior, forms the sought concentration effect.           

Biot-Savart law also known as Ampére law also known as Laplace law
but unknown Laplace-turns or Biot-Savart-turns
                                                but Ampére-turns !
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                       fluid or magnetic flux velocity acceleration ! How ?

I have had one development project with Dr.Pavel Imris to realize his "paper development" of capacitive winding technology to reality.


Beginning with the winding : the several (experienced) professional motor winder did not delivered the wished quality.
The stator : bad precision. And so on .....
 
Germany : the project has been a technical and financial fiasco.


Time equal I worked with a portuguese technician whose capacitive winding electro-magnet development reached ,after technical approvement of the physical prototype functionality in the Lisbon INPI office,"granted patent" status.

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permanent magnets: if you ask a "permant magnet "manufacturer about an example they will explain to you that there are up to 4000 different "permanent magnet" variations ! Which is the right solution for your device ?


Do you know something about the coil material quality 1915 ? Copper coil ? Pure ? Isolated ,how  ? Oxid coating ? The connection ?
The used iron ? The active area distance ?
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The Figuera device is a Phantom ! There is the magic !
I think the only inspiring moment in this device is : the 100 W in and 20000 W out hypothesis !

Another Phantom:
 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A
Very nice C.O.P. !         Do you believe in words and numbers  ?
                                     
                                    Only the concentrator function :
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Me8f27951cfa65597959ddb0493480fc1o0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=333&h=113
                                    The accelerator function :
                                    Raman ? Einstein-Bose ?

Probably here,and not in the Physics-Award list,is the answer:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Nobelpreistr%C3%A4ger_f%C3%BCr_Chemie

I mean that some collegium peers(=fathers) are waiting for the "q.e.d." .

For me the overunity-/free energy effect is not important,my Praeambel is :
                cheap machine and energy generating/converting cost
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« Reply #4004 on: August 20, 2016, 03:22:07 PM »
lancaIV..Sir..You appear to be highly skilled in the art as are many other members here.

With due respect Academics are over informed and so they make a simple thing very complicated and end up with that confusion.

Now you have given your credentials. How on Earth Ramaswami who did not know the difference between Voltage and Amperage in March 2013 was able to do these experiments. Why none has asked this question is surprising to me.

This is what happened..

In February 2013 I went to Coimbatore by train. The whole topic in the Train was the loss of employment caused to nearly a million people due to lack of electricity and closure of industrial units. About 100 of my clients had also shut down shop and electricity cut was at that time 14 hours to 16 hours per day. I was so concerned about the implications for my income and the troubles for the people who lost employment. I asked a client who owns wind mills what Research they are doing on Electricity Generation and he said none and we do not know any thing. We give orders to foreign companies and they install it and then maintain it. I also had occassion to look at Patricks website. When we returned home as guests have come I and my mother stayed in the office. When I woke up in the next morning I saw an old man sitting six feet above my legs with his back to me and he was eating what I thought was my fortune. I'm a charitable man and has been giving money to charties. I some how started shouting He is eating He is eating. The man was visible black colored small and old man. He did not notice me. On hearing my sounds my mother woke up and she could not see any one. Trying to comfort me she said there is none why are you shouting. I then showed my finger at this man and said he is here he is here. When I pointed my finger at him the old man realized that I have seen him and turned his head towards me for a second and was surprised and with a look a child caught stealing he turned his head back and moved to the west and slowly disintegrated in to thin air. My mother was not able to see him.

I was so terrified that I could not sleep. I went on to study Patricks site and on March 3, 2013 contacted him first and Patrick offered to train me up and taught me and asked me do Cater Hubbard Device as given to him by some trusted source. The device did not work and Patrick disappeared that he is retiriing. Then Mr. Narayanan who is RIP came to me for working on the project and I set up a team of few drivers to wind the coils and Narayanan and myself to do the Research. Since Patrick wanted me to do Hubbard and Figuera and Hubbard was a failure we elected to do Figuera. There are many days when I wanted to stop and whenever we feel that this is the last experiment we will make some progress. So by 22nd July 2013 we had built a working Figuera device but it was COP<1. Then I thought why don't we put up coils under the primaries as well and why should we waste that field. The voltages merged and reached 620 or 630 volts at no load and so we connected to Earth the two secondary wires and the amperage was shown as 20 amps. Input was 220 volts and 7 amps. The result has been explained here after several months by a Chemistry Professor that we have caused an electrochemical reaction in the Earth points by the high voltage differences and that is the reason for the higher output. The Professor guaranteed that the same result will not come again after a few days as the electrodes in the Earth point would have got oxidized and corroded and output would be less. He turned out to be correct. However I was encouraged by another client that if we were to use 316L Iron as electrodes the iron would not corrode and the reaction can take place for almost a month.

I have subsequently learned significantly but have elected not to put any thing to writing. Patrick in the meantime contacted me again and complimented me and then disappered again. Some how whenever I give up this project some one comes and provides a guding note.  I had been supported with funds by some friends as well and the device I did was replicated by another friend in another country and he could not achieve the results and the wires did not consume the amperage my wires consumed. He is a highly trained person and he checked the output of all secondaries and found out that the secondary voltages did not merge and the sum of the secondary voltages is higher as I had observed. In a strange way we had both higher current drawn and core saturation and voltages also merged.

With due respect to your efforts I would only say what the Book Tough Times Never Last, Tough People do says.

If you think you have exhausted all possibilities remember that you have not.

I had been advised not to write sensitive information and I have avoided doing it. But the problem in this device is it is very heavy and is physically challenging to wind and load the irons and then test.

I have not filed any patents. The information is there right before your eyes. But you are looking at many patents and with due respect confusing yourself. It is very simple really and all I can tell you is that in old days insulated iron wire appears to have been used for primary coils. Iron wire would become magnetized when it conducts electricity and it will also magnetize the core. How it will behave. I'm yet to test this.

No amount of reading how to swim in the water can enable us to jump in to the water and swin like an expert. We need to jump in to the water to learn to swim. There is nothing that can beat experimental observations and knowledge so gained. I have learnt without being influenced by any knowledge due to lack of knowledge in this field. And I believe that some invisible force has guided me and forced me to do these experiments and has forced Patrick to spend a lot of time teaching me over emails. I have not met any one personally and have not even spoken to any one. Incidentally one of the initial supporters felt enraged by my saying that NS-NS-NS is the correct combination of Figuera and has demanded me to return the funds he voluntarily and overruling my objectons sent me. I have returned to him 75% of whatever he has sent and would return the remaining 25% by next week.

This project is very simple really. This is all I can tell you. As you can see there are many abusive comments and bullying threats demanding that I leave. I would have already left except for the fear that the old man may appear before me if I do not continue.

I would most respectfully say that you have placed yourself in a dark room, closed your eyes and then put a thick black cloth on your eyes and you are now asking where is the Sun and I do not see the Sun and so it does not exist and cannot exist. I apologize for writing like this but this is exactly what you are doing. It is simple really.

Best Regards,

Ramaswami