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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2062739 times)

Offline darediamond

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3975 on: August 18, 2016, 07:31:03 AM »
No Center-taped transformer as it Split Primary wound to generate Repulsive Poles.

It is always from Start to End and Start to End which makes serial winding and thus produces North South North South Polarity.

How come the Part-G crews are preaching N-N as a way of creating Reversible High.and Low motion?

You can not buck the Primaries and generate usable output.

The Power of the Splited Primaries Must add up for the Secondary to function nicely.

You only buck the Secondary to negate Lenz.

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« Reply #3976 on: August 18, 2016, 07:44:18 AM »
Forest are you being forced?
Did you just say AC can be applied to C.F device?
How come you let that out ?

Well there is no madness anywhere but there is  deliberate Deceitful propagandas to prevent people from getting liberated.

When you vibrate Direct Current and Pass it through an Iron Core Electromagnet, what do youngest as output? You wanna tell me it will remain Pulsing DC?

Is there no Iron Core in the Part G?

Is not the Motor driven commutator acting as Vibrator for the  copper wire wound Toroid?

What output do you then get from the toroid?  Pulsing Direct Current Still or ALTERNATE CURRENT?

I request you teach me what I do not 'actually' Know.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3977 on: August 18, 2016, 08:03:36 AM »
YOU ARE THE DUMBEST PERSON ON THIS FORUM.
constantly spread bull shit lies.
constantly spread your crappy circuit non tested at all, just bull crap unprovable theories from a warped ass mind.
you need to go back to school getto man.
your trash with an even trashier mind.
piss pore researcher you are. whats the matter baby, no one following your bull shit unproven lies.
"defend your baseless theory"
i would tell you the same thing but your to stupid to prove your theory. iv'e proven mine many times over, your just to stupid to see it. to busy flapping your jaw.
by-by getto man.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3978 on: August 18, 2016, 08:24:40 AM »
YOU ARE THE DUMBEST PERSON ON THIS FORUM.
constantly spread bull shit lies.
constantly spread your crappy circuit non tested at all, just bull crap unprovable theories from a warped ass mind.
you need to go back to school getto man.
your trash with an even trashier mind.
piss pore researcher you are. whats the matter baby, no one following your bull shit unproven lies.
"defend your baseless theory"
i would tell you the same thing but your to stupid to prove your theory. iv'e proven mine many times over, your just to stupid to see it. to busy flapping your jaw.
by-by getto man.
Moron you are and you are practically proving that over and over. At least you are defending something about yourself and that is state of foolishness.

Always abusive from day one.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3979 on: August 18, 2016, 12:52:00 PM »
Lenz's law states that the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion.

 I think you have already achieved lenz free.

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« Reply #3980 on: August 18, 2016, 01:20:28 PM »
If we have not the finances and lab workpower to realize experiments we can look for the technical
results from other searchers Fleming/Lenz magnetic force orientation  controle.

A nice industrial family list in this publikation offered :
https://www.google.de/patents/US8242658
but going to this document :
https://www.google.de/patents/US6707208
 So even though high turn coils produce higher flux per-amp of current circulating, ampere-turns, they also generate more reverse EMF and thus require higher voltage. A new and more effective way of interacting with these counter electromotive forces is one of the primary benefits to which the invention is directed.

The control of flux in accord with the invention is achieved by the use of permanent magnets arranged in a particular manner with each other and with magnetic flux shunts so that the magnets and shunts can function as unidirectional flux “gates”, which can be used to manage flux much like diodes manage electric current.

               permanent magnets and shunts + which can be used to manage flux like diodes

It is commonly understood that a permanent magnet pole will only pass flux in one direction, i.e. from the south pole to the north pole. The magnet will not allow flux to pass from the north pole through to the south pole. Thus, if you have oppositely polarized poles on a magnet or multiple magnets arranged with their poles opposite in polarity, or in some way oriented differently, then you have a one-way flux “gate” which can be used to manage flux similar to the manner that multiple diodes manage electrical current.

But this is only an example how this inventor tried to resolve the motor counter magnetic force.
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The Figuera device ,with non mechanical movement (excluded the commutator), needs his own solution.

divide et impera (the machine): voltage and or frequency dividing
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=diode&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=kazumi+masaki&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st254llePPs
comment/answer:
Hola, gracias por comentar mis experimentos, el generador Figuera que intento replicar parece fácil, pero todavía después de tres años, nadie, al perecer, ha sido capaz de reproducir, este video que comentas es de hace tiempo, cuando Patrick Kely lo explicaba así en su libro, pero después de leer las patentes está claro que no es así como se describe en ellas, no obstante, ya entonces me dí cuenta experimentando que para que el flujo magnético pasara por el núcleo de la bobina inducida, las polaridades debían ser Norte - Norte y Sur - Sur ya que otro caso como tu comentas, el flujo saltaría de un extremo de la C a la otra, sin pasar por el centro. Yo por ahora todavía no he dado con la clave, pero no pierdo la esperanza y sigo intentándolo con cualquier novedad que se me ocurra o que vea por internet, si encuentro algo interesante lo subiré en vídeo. Saludos

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3981 on: August 18, 2016, 04:59:22 PM »
darediamond,

I have a question for you that relates to the subject matter of this thread, in particular the 1908 and later patents.

Imagine a hypothetical inducing coil as depicted in the patents.
The coil has a core with 32 cm^2 cross sectional area perpendicular to its length.
There are 500 turns of  wire on this core.
10 volts DC and 1 amp of current flow through this coil.
Suppose this coil produces a flux strength of 24000 gauss which is used to induce an emf in the adjacent secondary y coil.

Without adding any magnets or additional coils, or changing the voltage or amperage flowing through the coil, or the number of turns of wire, how can this coil be modified to increase the flux strength to 48000 gauss?

I know how I could accomplish this but I am curious as to what method you personally would employ.

CM

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3982 on: August 18, 2016, 05:59:00 PM »
Lenz's law states that the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion.

 I think you have already achieved lenz free.

Doug..who did you address here..not clear..please advise.

Lenz law is negated only when the primary will not consume more current irrespective of highr load being placed on secondary.  This is the strict rule..who has accomplished it here..Please advise.

LancaIV

With due respect in Japan people file patent applications to be publihsed and refused called defensive patent applications. This is done to prevent the competitor from obtaining patents in a technology and to create prior art. Check if the patents are granted or refused. If they are abandoned or refused understand these are defensive patents to prevent others from getting a patent. This is why you see large number of patents to be filed. Without experimental observation repeated validation and independent replication we cannot rely on patents.

It is like news channels broadcating or telecasting news that suits the interests of their owners. We can take some gidance from patents but it cannot be taken as truth unless we verify it.

Cadmon.. I have already explained the answer to the question you posted in my earlier posts. Even Core asked me the same question and I answered it. Core indicated that he would agree with Doug that the device I made was a transformer only and not generator. I do not understand this really.

I can only do experiments once in three weeks or so.. If the results are worth posting I will post them

Regards

Ramaswami



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3983 on: August 18, 2016, 06:16:17 PM »
Dear Ramaswami,
you are right !
Cause this there is ever need of avaliation : person,object,claim and approvement.

    Person: Prof.(University Osaka) Dr. Kazumi Masaki ( now R.I.P.)
    object: health,energy
    claims: many publications
    approvement: commercial use
f.e.
     http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MDE4OTgxOTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Bausaetze_Module/Bausaetze/Bausatz_Elektronische_Akupunktur_KEMO_B136.html

http://www.genilax.com/en/

Beside : patent application and patent publication and to grant the claims is differently treated
by the W(orld)I(ntellectual)P(roperty)O(rganisation)-members.
Often in US granted claims are later in the european office/-s(headquarter Munich and now also Den-Haag) denied,withdrawn.

And to do the re-/search with healthy doubts:
http://www.rexresearch.com/kenyon/kenyon.htm               125% ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=17&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19770505&CC=DE&NR=2624810A1&KC=A1
use the (bad machine) translation function
 Bei dem aiifänglichen Test wurde ein Schalten oder Umpolen nicht versucht, sondern die Spannung wurde direkt von der Gleichstromenergiequelle 24 zu den Anschlüssen 20 und 22 der Ankerspule 18 zugeführt0 Die Gleichstromenergiequelle erzeugte 32 Volt Gleichstrom, Die Geschwindigkeit der Ankerspule 18 wurde mit Hilfe einer 8 mm-Filmkamera mit 50 Bildern pro sec, bestimmt. Die Stromkurve nach Fig. 2 wurde automatisch auf einem Aufzeichner mit einer Aufzeichnungsgeschwindigkeit von 125 mm/sec0aufge tragen0 An der oberen Grenze des Schemas nach Figo 2 ist der von der Spule durchwanderte Abstand gezeigt, gemessen in 1,6 mm - Stufen für jede 1/15 Sekunde der Spulenbewegung. Wie aus Fig. 2 ersichtlich ist, verblieb der durch die Spule 18 während dieses Versuches fliessende Strom relativ konstant während einer Periode "t", die 50 Millisekunden Dauer überschritt und während welcher Zeitperiode der Strom ungefähr 0,4 Ampere gemittelt betrlg. Wie angedeutet ist, betrug die während dieser Bewegung erzeugte Kraft 2,4 kg (5,3 pound), welche notwendig war, um die Schwerkraft des Ankers 18 zu überwinden, den die Magnete 11 und 12 vertikal ausgerichtet sind.

    [0012]    Der Spannungsabfall an dem A er 18 betrug 32 Volt, und be dem durchschnittlichen Eingangs Strom von 0,4 Ampère war die durchschnittliche Eingangs energie während dieses Stufenabschnittes der Kurve nach Fig. 2 12,8 Watt. Dieser relative Stufenabschnitt der Kurve trat ein, wenn sich der Anker 18 über die Verbindungsstelle 14 bewegte. Die maximale Geschwindigkeit, die ebenfalls über der Verbindungsstelle 14 eintrat, betrug o,76 m pro Sekunde. Die mechanische Energie wird von dem Produkt der Kraft und der Geschwindigkeit dargestellt, welche bei Verwendung von o,76 m pro Sekunde als Geschwindigkeit und 2,4 kg als Kraft eine mechanische Energie von 13,25 llfoot-pounds" pro Sekunde ergibt0 Um die "foot-pounds" pro Sekunde in Watt umzuwandeln, ist der Faktor 1,356 woraus sich ein in Watt ausgedrückter Energieausgang von 17,967 ergibt. Es wurden Versuchsdaten abgeleitet, indem Elektronenoszilloskopen verwendet wurden. Diese Daten bestätigen die Ergebnisse der Aufzeichnung nach Fig. 2.

original document page 17 input/output  12,8/17,967
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          " The german patent office does not grant overunity motors or generators !"
    There is a patent publication with clamed 120% generation efficiency ,granted in DE !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=6&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19980305&CC=DE&NR=19632897A1&KC=A1
Gegenstand der Erfindung ist eine Kraftmaschine des oben angeführten Typs, die elektrische Energie in magnetische/mechanische Energie wandelt, und bei welcher der Wirkungsgrad, das Verhältnis von abgegebener Nutzleistung zur zugeführten Leistung, η = P   ab  /P   zu > 1,2 ist.
                                          2000 grant after examination
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/inpadoc?CC=DE&NR=19632897A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19980305&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3984 on: August 18, 2016, 06:35:22 PM »
Ramaswami,

The question was posed to darediamond only. I wish to get his personal solution to the question.

CM

EDIT:
... Cadmon.. I have already explained the answer to the question you posted in my earlier posts. Even Core asked me the same question and I answered it.  ...

How curious. I ask darediamond and you answer using words as if I addressed you.

Nah! Must be imagining things.



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« Reply #3985 on: August 18, 2016, 07:26:16 PM »
darediamond,

I have a question for you that relates to the subject matter of this thread, in particular the 1908 and later patents.

Imagine a hypothetical inducing coil as depicted in the patents.
The coil has a core with 32 cm^2 cross sectional area perpendicular to its length.
There are 500 turns of  wire on this core.
10 volts DC and 1 amp of current flow through this coil.
Suppose this coil produces a flux strength of 24000 gauss which is used to induce an emf in the adjacent secondary y coil.

Without adding any magnets or additional coils, or changing the voltage or amperage flowing through the coil, or the number of turns of wire, how can this coil be modified to increase the flux strength to 48000 gauss?

I know how I could accomplish this but I am curious as to what method you personally would employ.

CM
I have made a post in which covers answer to our question. Search for it. Granted I have few posts posted on his thread so you should be able to find your way via.

Goodluck Mr.

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« Reply #3986 on: August 18, 2016, 08:28:40 PM »
A couple of members are having trouble getting the autotransformer book from Google so I have uploaded it to overunity.com/downloads under this title:

AUTO-TRANSFORMER DESIGN by Alfred H. Avery

CM

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« Reply #3987 on: August 18, 2016, 09:07:30 PM »
I have made a post in which covers answer to our question. Search for it. Granted I have few posts posted on his thread so you should be able to find your way via.

Goodluck Mr.

No thank you. I asked you for your view on a pertinent question but if all you have to offer is attitude then you can keep it for yourself.

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« Reply #3988 on: August 19, 2016, 01:57:41 AM »
No thank you. I asked you for your view on a pertinent question but if all you have to offer is attitude then you can keep it for yourself.

"
I know how I could accomplish this ......."

Those are your words there. So what benefit will my strategy add to yours?

Learn to device better intelligible way of toying with a fellow man Intelligence.
Goodluck

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« Reply #3989 on: August 19, 2016, 02:36:43 AM »
To Farmhand and Shadow:

You are off the mark.. What is the purpose of the rotary device..To create an interrupted or alternating current that will change signs when it moves from one point to another point.. When your mains supply is already alternating current the rotary device today is not needed and remove the rotary device and the resistor setup and just feed directly from the mains.. That way you get sign wave and 50 Hz or 60 Hz current automatically. Figuera did not disclose the best method of carrying out the invention and so he disclosed a weakest method of carrying out the invention. His disclosure substantially hides one important point. Both the primary electromagnets must be of equal strength for the device to work best. They should not be of weaker compared to one another. Of course his set up made the two electromagnets alternately stronger and weaker and we did not test that but in our tests we got the best results only when both the primary electromagnets are of equal strength.

Simply this is an amplifying transformer. Two step down transformers  acting as primary electromagnets set up in such a way that the opposite poles of the two are facing each other and in that place you place another secondary of many turns to step up the voltage. Then what you get is both amperage and voltage increase. In the step down transformers, amperage is increased and in the secondary between the two step down transformers voltage is increased. When all three secondaries are connected in series you get both a voltage and amperage increase. This is as simple as that.

The set up is NS - NS - NS  The bolded outer electromagnets are the step down transformers where the secondary is placed near the core and the primary of many turns and preferably bifilar or trifilar or quadfilar is wound upon it. I used Quadfilar primary. Secondarly is a single wire. In the middle electromagnet you increase the number of turns many times and many layers. In all I used about 1300 meters of 4 sq mm wire out of which about 500 meters were primary and 800 meters were secondary. The electromagnets were built on a plastic tube 4 inches in diameter and 18 inches length. We used soft iron rods to create the electromagnets. 3 such devices were placed in the NS-NS-NS configuration. That is all that is needed to test and verify the results. This device works.

However be careful. When you give 220 volts electricity the electromagnets take about 7 amps but the output is really dangerous 630 volts and 20 amps output..You may get more or less depending on the number of turns and depending on the input voltage.

This is a modular device. Figuera called it Generator Infinity. This is true. If you use the output of the first module to feed the second module and the output of the second module to feed the third module you are going to get increasing voltage and amperage. Any one can test it and see the results themselves. But be extremely careful as the resulting voltages are deadly as the amperage also is very high.

Making the device self sustaining is of no problem really. The output is high voltage and higher amperage. Secondary current will flow in the direction opposing the primary current. When you provide a step down transformer to use the electricity, the output of the step down transformer will flow in a direction oppising the feeding secondary current. So the output of the transformer will be in phase and synchronise with the primary input. Now all you need is a make before break change over switch and change the source of feeding current to the output of the transformer. A part of the transformer output is enough to keep the unit running. Rest of the transformer output is given to load. The original feeding current is removed and the system will continue to work. I have not done this part. But I think given this information any number of posters here can replicate the results.

If you use this in an Electric car, the car can run any amount of distance. Only thing is that we need to convert the AC output to pulsed DC output to run a DC motor or may be use a capacitor to make it a perfect DC current to run it. A Battery, an inverter and this set up and then converting to pulsed DC through a bridge rectifier and then a capacitor to make it perfect DC is all that is needed. May be use a solar panel to keep the battery charged. Since the battery would be used only at the starting time, it will not diminish and in any case the alternator present in the car will keep charging the battery.  This is an extremely simple device really and I do not know how you people who are all experienced electrical engineers have missed the mark.

Let me see comments that will call all this a mirage. But do test it yourself and check the results before calling my results bad..