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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2062731 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3945 on: August 15, 2016, 08:48:43 PM »
Ramaswami,
 an original patent-publication copy:
 https://archive.org/stream/Clemente_Figuera/Patentes%20Constantino%20de%20Buforn%20Clemente%20Figuera#page/n1/mode/2up

In october of 1908, suddenly Clemente Figuera filed a new patent (no. 44267) . As far as we know Mr. Figuera died very few days after filing this patent. Was it his legacy?. Was this the final piece required to complete the puzzle? Was it an improvement over the previous generator? Was it a brand new generator? We don´t know for sure yet.
After his death in 1908, his partner, Constantino de Buforn Jacas, filed 5 new patents (47706, 50216, 52968, 55411 and 57955) between the years 1910 and 1914. The important features of all those patents is that they are almost identical. And they are an exact copy of the design patented by Figuera in 1908. The very same design and in some cases the very same text to describe the machine. Buforn was clearly patenting as his own invention a machine created by Figuera.

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« Reply #3946 on: August 15, 2016, 09:18:13 PM »
LancaIV

I have studied these patents and did significant experimentation.

The most efficient was the last straight pole arrangement of Buforn. It is missing in the link given by you.

If you look at the circuit design of Buforn and Figuera they are different.

Patents of improvement are always filed year after year by all on the original idea and Buforn I understand financed Figuera in his last years.

Now my question is how did they merge the secondary voltage? If I have the answervto that I have done the devivce.

We know today higher the primary voltage higher the secondary voltage and higher the frequency higherbthe secondary voltage. High Frequency may not be needed. We have also built thevrotary device but it is not perfect and we switched to AC.

If you know hoe to merge secondary voltages please let me know.

Thanks

Ramaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3947 on: August 15, 2016, 10:10:08 PM »
http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg455688#.V7IgutcrwSM

#2376 answer ?

100 W in and 20000 W out under 1 Ampére in  and 300 Ampéres out condition
http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/buforn.pdf page 43/44

http://alpoma.com/figuera/Bf_1.pdf

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831209&CC=FR&NR=2528257A1&KC=A1
L'esitation de la bobine peut entre  faite par une autre source d'alimentation et sera commandée par un relai temporisé electronique, comme il peut y avoir une bobine sur chaque pole  de l'aimant, ou que l'aimant inducteur soit remplacée par un électroaimant.

means in geral manner :
 the electric magnets in the Figuera/Buforn machine can be also permanent magnets

   

 

 

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« Reply #3948 on: August 15, 2016, 10:24:15 PM »
That was a joke. sorry if you were offended Hanon.
Yes figuera uses 2 signals to create Variation in magnetic field. The same can be achieved with 1 signal..the difference will be that Set Y will have a magnetic field approaching from both sides simultaneously...but flux cutting will be achieved in a motionless manner nonetheless

probably DC to pulsed DC= signal ,not pure AC( 1 Hz= 2 pulses)  as output.

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« Reply #3949 on: August 15, 2016, 11:29:31 PM »

Figuera was a suppressed scientist who lived in an island. The patent texts as we  shown are edited.. from our experiments we see that they are significantly altered. By whom I do not know.

Of course, they were edited because the patents do not fit your proposal. Very reasonable.


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The 1902 patents used the gap between identical poles. But the patent text says opposite poles. How do I know..experimental observation.


Bipolarity at it best. This guy has always defended NS polarity. Maybe he is reconsidering his original idea now. Always is good to evolve.



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The 1908 patent is not even a patent application but is a disclosure document program. These documents are secret forever.


False. A big big lie. The 1908 patent is a patent.  Even it was granted and is cathegorized as a granted patent in the patent office. What a great patent lawyer the one who is not able to recognize a patent. But I wont discuss any further with this guy. He is completely deaf. I even posted how to search for that patent in the official database.

This guy just want to discredit Figuera saying that he did not filed a patent. What a lie!!  And that his machine emits radiation to discourage people from doing tests

This is my belief: I think some people have got a running device and now their only aim is to discredit those who has help to promote this generator, to confuse other users with futile ideas, to spoil this thread and to create fear telling that this machine emits radiation. They want to block this generator for going public to make profits for themselves.

They only offer confusing very long posts without any sense and content. And the next post is completely different to the previous one.

A real pity....But they are happy because they are succeeding, and now I have been called inquisitor.  This is a sad day for this project.

As I have been telling I wont feed trolls so I take some days on vacation in the forum while they continue destroying this thread

I only say to study the patents and not to listen to trolls



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« Reply #3950 on: August 15, 2016, 11:34:47 PM »
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« Reply #3952 on: August 16, 2016, 01:53:48 AM »
@Hanon
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“Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and
accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.”


The key work here is accomplishments and until such time as someone here has accomplished something tangible they can prove it's all just speculation at best. What happens here is one group supposes their speculation without proof is somehow superior to another's speculation without proof then judges them accordingly. This is in fact everything Tesla despised hence his quote.


In effect Tesla is saying do not judge me based on what others say or believe judge me on what I have done...period. What Tesla said was time will ultimately tell the truth because it is not petty like man, it is not judgmental like man, it does not rely on speculation or beliefs like man... the truth does not have a shelf life like vegetables.


So how about you give your fellow man the benefit of doubt, consider what they say, consider their perspective and learn from it. Consider how you might learn from what they say and believe, right or wrong, to improve your own understanding.


In any case we should thank you because if I am correct you brought this technology to light and for that I thank you. I have learned things I never considered from these patents, I imagined things I never thought possible. I may be wrong, I may be right but as Tesla implied, if I can prove it then I'm the fucking man regardless of what anyone thinks or believes...such is life.


AC




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« Reply #3953 on: August 16, 2016, 05:00:35 AM »
Hanon;
I do not believe what you said at first but the rest is right on the money. people that don't have a running device are ruining this thread with corrupt lies and deceit to benefit themselves, for what purpose i have no clue.
i have risked everything to promote the true Figuera device even at the risk of loosing the respect of my piers. someone in this forum will not step up to the plate but then again he has a family to protect and i completely respect his point of view as a man, husband and a father. i am single so i will sacrifice everything to get the real Figuera out there. i am forever grateful  for the incredible information that was bequeathed to me throughout the last few years. i just wish people could see the wonderful knowledge in front of them placed upon this thread.

Rswami; your research into the Figuera device is very Controversial at best and as far as i am concerned, the original hyjacker of this thread, proven by Pjk him self along with the link to this thread  (disgusting). doesn't follow the patent at all and by all accounts is a cop >1 TRANSFORMER not a generator contrary to your belief. i have no desire to exchange words but your TRANSFORMER is not a GENERATOR of  any sort, therefore,  you have no basis to brag that you built a cop>1 Figuera device of any kind and there fore should be ashamed of such allegations. your device is not even in the ballpark of the Figuera device. if you would have studied all the patents at any length you will see you are incorrect from the start but you being you, probably not.  good luck all the same.

it makes me sick to my stomach to see such wrongful information posted on this thread designed to derail new people from the truth and in the long run you will be judged.

MM

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« Reply #3954 on: August 16, 2016, 06:24:05 AM »
Dont get yourself to wound up MM. He is the one who is trying his best to keep anyone from from the truth. All his efforts are to drive people to another type of device not related to the title of the thread by simple methods or tactics. Bait and switch, false accusations. You even pointed out he could go to the site manager and ask if we have the same ip address but he is not interested in the truth contrary to his statements. For some reason which is unkown he doesnt even give a method to his madness. Just be prepared to purchase the eventual circuit driver after you waste a lot of money and time on piecing together with poor instructions his dream circuit. What ever that is. He is a tool like a left handed wrench. Throwing around the phrase dont destroy the dipole. I doubt he even knows what that means based on his design. It will be better to just wait him out as he performs the hope girl two step. He is eager for commerce even stating the world as a single resource of cheap labor. He is the opposite end of the spectrum to any person who wishes to be independent or self sustained. Notice what people he is stroking. anyone who is going to help lead everyone away from the patent. He could with out any effort start another thread for his personal theory but he insists on hijacking this thread. Very curious to know what is in it for him? I guess time will tell, there is enough time to wait and see even if it takes a couple years. MM imagine what you can do in that time. I think i will just lurk and watch the car wreck ,I have my score cards and my comfy chair and plenty of coffee a perfect view of the impact sight. Just have to wait for the blinking yellow light to confuse the hell out of him. I call dibs on any change in his pockets the alternator and starter spark coil packs if he is driving a gas'r.
Why do you and your cohorts think like a.baby always.

Who is hijacking your thread?

You brougth up a concept, you are challenged to practically defend it and boom, you go HAYWIRE. No sane person on here is a Python.

Can't you think for yourself?
Or are you a programmable Robot?
Stop being a Kite at least for your own good as youbcan do better if you really want to.


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« Reply #3955 on: August 16, 2016, 06:50:55 AM »
QUOTE;
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1.The patent was filed in 1908 ;the technology was primitive compared to what we have today
2.We have No idea whatsoever as to the exact coil configuration used as that was not expressly stated in the patent.
3. Part G was depicted a s a set of resistors
4.The jury is still out on whether the poles are attracting or in repulsion mode..this wasn't expressly stated either."

While granted it was a while ago somethings can't be replaced as in part "G". it will never self sustain with out it. NEVER !
fairly simple to deduce after trial and error, there is only so many ways to wind a coil especially of the time frame.
it even says it was drawn in an elementary way to get the understanding across, do you seriously think he would waste power unnecessarily like that. do you not have the ability to see past a simple drawing that says it is just a drawing, well em, i guess not.
the jury is not out, six plus people says the polarity is NN including one that has a working device. not to mention my demo device with 100 watts in and 300 watts out all at NN set up.
most of the speculation on N/S on this device was backed by no or little research and the ones that did do research got little to nothing out because of the opposing induced.

completely irrational statements backed by irrational thinking with no research what so ever leads one to no where very fast and does nothing but distract the real purpose of this tread and it's followers.

and i'll be darn if i am going to stand around while some unintelligent lemming  from the pic below runs his mouth at every thing i post about the Figuera device that can be verified by any real semi intelligent researcher. i have over three years and mega thousands of hours of research in each piece of the Figuera device and have read every patent no less than 50 times each reading between the lines.

you, my friend,  are sadly mistaken if you think i don't know what time it is with the Figuera device.

you people aren't  even in the same ball park as me.

ps. GEGENE! is not even close to the Figuera device. no resemblance what so ever.
and not a single cuss word from my sailor mouth, yah ! ex military.
Oh Mr Marathonman, you can keep falsly egging yourself on. But I will keep on challenging you to show us what you claimed to have practically built.

Cameras are fucking cheap.  So  whybdo you keep parabolating?

There people of papers on here who are satisfied with your drawings. I an hardened self-made builder and others like
me  are MORE THAN THAT. We are not Zombies like your people.

You  brought up first then you must defend it first but never younwill do that as all you enjoy.doing is insulting like you did at me when I made my first post on this thread.

Even though I do not agree with his Ideas, the young man Hanon is endlessly More Mature than you a grandpa.
 It is not about age, it is about deep thinking that foster sound Mind Maturity but do not have it.


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« Reply #3956 on: August 16, 2016, 08:51:57 AM »
May I request all who differentiatea between a Generator and a Transformer to explain what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer? I have never ever hidden the fact that I'm not trained in Electricity and Magnetism. Apart from doing a lot of experiments and varying the parameters I cannot claim any formal technical knowledge in Electricity and Magnetism. As far as my very limited knowledge and understanding goes a Transformer does the job of stepping up or stepping down the voltage. When the voltage is stpped up the current is reduced and when the voltage is stepped down the current is increased. Transformers of this kind are used in many devices and also used for Electrical transmission. In a Transformer the output is always less than the input. Or a Transformer is always COP<1.

Generators on the other hand produce Electricity using the principle of Electromagnetic induction.

As I see it the Figuera device and all other devices whether they rotate the magnetic core or do not do only one thing. They create a time varying magnetic field. A conductor subjected to this time varying magnetic field gets induced Electricity. When we rotate a core as Figuera observed the magnetic drag applies and so we need to provide far higher mechnical energy than the output Electricity. But if we do not rotate the core but rotate only the magnetic field in the core we need to give only a small amount of electrical energy.

Regarding the statement that the magnets in Figuera device can be permanent magnets yes that is very true from my observations and from a theory.

I do not know if this is true or not. But Patrick has taught me that if the magnetic field does not collapse to Zero Lenz law effect would not come in to play and so if we use a circuit with full Wave Diode Bridge and make the output wave +5 to +5 at the bottom and the wave is made in to a full positive sign wave never reaching zero Lenz law would not apply but the magnetic field will be oscillated and electricity would be induced in the conductor. I had the circuit built but the output was only in milliamps and Patrick for safety reasons has limited the voltage to 40 volts. The circuit repeatedly broke down. Even when it worked there was no magnetism in the coils for at 40 volts and milliamps it is not even one watt of input and you do not expect to generate output with that. The circuit can work if the core is permanent magnet of high strength and if the voltage is high. What I have been taught is that Lenz law can come only if the magnetic field collapses to zero to reach no magnetic field condition but if the magnetic field does not collapse to zero and some magnetizm is always present no Lenz law effects can manifest. But again I do not know if this is accurate.

One thing that strikes in the Figuera circuit and BuForn circuit is that the Primaries always go to the Earth. Only if the Voltage is high there is a need to connect to the Earth. If the core was a Permanent Magnet core electricity need not be spent to generate magnetism in the primary coils. I can very assertively say that higher the voltage in the primary higher the voltage in the secondary. This I have observed from direct experimentations.

Patrick wanted me to build the Cater Hubbard device first but it did not work. I have now made it to work.

Since the Hubbard device did not work we tried with Figuera device. Single module only and it was COP<1. We tried to do the multiple modules as shown in the 1908 patent and were disappointed that the results mentioned do not manifest and voltage did not merge. So we built a large core and tried again and it was COP<1 and so I put the secondaries under the primaries as well and tested and in one experiment the secondary voltages merged and the output was COP>8. Because the output was 620 volts or so I directed my staff to disassemble it as they used to experiment carelessly. We have subsequently built many devices and found that we need to cross a particular Voltage in the output coil for the secondary to cross the COP>1 and then it suddenly zooms. If we use permanent magnet core and use high voltage electricity as input to oscillate the permanent magnet core high frequency is not needed and output can be high.

There are many here who do not conduct experiments and post only theory. I do not find fault with them. The labour costs are very high in Western countries and it is not easy to build large cores and experiment. We have wound all coils manually and we have used lot of soft iron.
About 75 kgms of iron, or about 15% of iron bought by me for these experiments have become very mild permanent magnets. This magnetism is destroyed only if we heat the rod.

Now let me know how a motionless device that does not move core but rotates the magnetic field but provides much higher output than input can be called a Transformer and not Generator. Let me also know if the Figuera device acted in violation of the principles of Electromagnetic induction.

Actually these devices are very simple to construct. They are large and need to be built manually and are costly but the principles are very simple. You do not need high frequency but a high voltage input would suffice. High Voltage when combined with permanent magnets always produce COP>1 for high voltage low amperage input is sufficient. Secondary can be thick wire and it would produce both high voltage and high amperage. The permanent magnets need to be large. There is nothing more.

High Frequency is not problem if proper materials are used and I had been taught by a competent person that if we use high votlage and high frequency and ferrite core the size of the devices can be brought down easily.

The French Patent that shows the device to be placed inside a refrigerator is very intelligent. Commonsense approach to keep the cores cool. I do not think many modules are needed and a single module would do.

In my experiments the best one is Ramaswami device and then the Hubbard Configuration and then the Figuera configuration.

I have not attempted to build a self runner for Patrick has warned me that it can result in runaway currents and may even bring in lightening for the self sustaining device is said to bring in extra energy from the environment and can attract lightning and prefer living beings than iron to strike. Is this true or not I do not know but why take a risk when I'm not competent? So I have avoided doing that.

Let me know what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer now..While some people claim they have a working Figuera device and 100 watts input and 300 watts output but would not show it at least there should not be any difficulty in explaining what is the difference between a Transformer and a Generator so at least the confusing language is avoided or understood and an ignorant person like me can learn something.

Regards,

Ramaswami
 

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« Reply #3957 on: August 16, 2016, 09:40:32 AM »
May I request all who differentiatea between a Generator and a Transformer to explain what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer? I have never ever hidden the fact that I'm not trained in Electricity and Magnetism. Apart from doing a lot of experiments and varying the parameters I cannot claim any formal technical knowledge in Electricity and Magnetism. As far as my very limited knowledge and understanding goes a Transformer does the job of stepping up or stepping down the voltage. When the voltage is stpped up the current is reduced and when the voltage is stepped down the current is increased. Transformers of this kind are used in many devices and also used for Electrical transmission. In a Transformer the output is always less than the input. Or a Transformer is always COP<1.

Generators on the other hand produce Electricity using the principle of Electromagnetic induction.

As I see it the Figuera device and all other devices whether they rotate the magnetic core or do not do only one thing. They create a time varying magnetic field. A conductor subjected to this time varying magnetic field gets induced Electricity. When we rotate a core as Figuera observed the magnetic drag applies and so we need to provide far higher mechnical energy than the output Electricity. But if we do not rotate the core but rotate only the magnetic field in the core we need to give only a small amount of electrical energy.

Regarding the statement that the magnets in Figuera device can be permanent magnets yes that is very true from my observations and from a theory.

I do not know if this is true or not. But Patrick has taught me that if the magnetic field does not collapse to Zero Lenz law effect would not come in to play and so if we use a circuit with full Wave Diode Bridge and make the output wave +5 to +5 at the bottom and the wave is made in to a full positive sign wave never reaching zero Lenz law would not apply but the magnetic field will be oscillated and electricity would be induced in the conductor. I had the circuit built but the output was only in milliamps and Patrick for safety reasons has limited the voltage to 40 volts. The circuit repeatedly broke down. Even when it worked there was no magnetism in the coils for at 40 volts and milliamps it is not even one watt of input and you do not expect to generate output with that. The circuit can work if the core is permanent magnet of high strength and if the voltage is high. What I have been taught is that Lenz law can come only if the magnetic field collapses to zero to reach no magnetic field condition but if the magnetic field does not collapse to zero and some magnetizm is always present no Lenz law effects can manifest. But again I do not know if this is accurate.

One thing that strikes in the Figuera circuit and BuForn circuit is that the Primaries always go to the Earth. Only if the Voltage is high there is a need to connect to the Earth. If the core was a Permanent Magnet core electricity need not be spent to generate magnetism in the primary coils. I can very assertively say that higher the voltage in the primary higher the voltage in the secondary. This I have observed from direct experimentations.

Patrick wanted me to build the Cater Hubbard device first but it did not work. I have now made it to work.

Since the Hubbard device did not work we tried with Figuera device. Single module only and it was COP<1. We tried to do the multiple modules as shown in the 1908 patent and were disappointed that the results mentioned do not manifest and voltage did not merge. So we built a large core and tried again and it was COP<1 and so I put the secondaries under the primaries as well and tested and in one experiment the secondary voltages merged and the output was COP>8. Because the output was 620 volts or so I directed my staff to disassemble it as they used to experiment carelessly. We have subsequently built many devices and found that we need to cross a particular Voltage in the output coil for the secondary to cross the COP>1 and then it suddenly zooms. If we use permanent magnet core and use high voltage electricity as input to oscillate the permanent magnet core high frequency is not needed and output can be high.

There are many here who do not conduct experiments and post only theory. I do not find fault with them. The labour costs are very high in Western countries and it is not easy to build large cores and experiment. We have wound all coils manually and we have used lot of soft iron.
About 75 kgms of iron, or about 15% of iron bought by me for these experiments have become very mild permanent magnets. This magnetism is destroyed only if we heat the rod.

Now let me know how a motionless device that does not move core but rotates the magnetic field but provides much higher output than input can be called a Transformer and not Generator. Let me also know if the Figuera device acted in violation of the principles of Electromagnetic induction.

Actually these devices are very simple to construct. They are large and need to be built manually and are costly but the principles are very simple. You do not need high frequency but a high voltage input would suffice. High Voltage when combined with permanent magnets always produce COP>1 for high voltage low amperage input is sufficient. Secondary can be thick wire and it would produce both high voltage and high amperage. The permanent magnets need to be large. There is nothing more.

High Frequency is not problem if proper materials are used and I had been taught by a competent person that if we use high votlage and high frequency and ferrite core the size of the devices can be brought down easily.

The French Patent that shows the device to be placed inside a refrigerator is very intelligent. Commonsense approach to keep the cores cool. I do not think many modules are needed and a single module would do.

In my experiments the best one is Ramaswami device and then the Hubbard Configuration and then the Figuera configuration.

I have not attempted to build a self runner for Patrick has warned me that it can result in runaway currents and may even bring in lightening for the self sustaining device is said to bring in extra energy from the environment and can attract lightning and prefer living beings than iron to strike. Is this true or not I do not know but why take a risk when I'm not competent? So I have avoided doing that.

Let me know what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer now..While some people claim they have a working Figuera device and 100 watts input and 300 watts output but would not show it at least there should not be any difficulty in explaining what is the difference between a Transformer and a Generator so at least the confusing language is avoided or understood and an ignorant person like me can learn something.

Regards,

Ramaswami
 

No Ramaswami, you are not Ignorant. They can keep themselves in there imbalance state like there Part-G a.k.a High and Low.

Attached is the circuit you need to merge the output power from the secondaries of the new device you made.

I will P.M you with further details to make the circuit work better.


More blessing.

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« Reply #3958 on: August 16, 2016, 10:01:43 AM »
May I request all who differentiatea between a Generator and a Transformer to explain what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer? I have never ever hidden the fact that I'm not trained in Electricity and Magnetism. Apart from doing a lot of experiments and varying the parameters I cannot claim any formal technical knowledge in Electricity and Magnetism. As far as my very limited knowledge and understanding goes a Transformer does the job of stepping up or stepping down the voltage. When the voltage is stpped up the current is reduced and when the voltage is stepped down the current is increased. Transformers of this kind are used in many devices and also used for Electrical transmission. In a Transformer the output is always less than the input. Or a Transformer is always COP<1.

Generators on the other hand produce Electricity using the principle of Electromagnetic induction.

As I see it the Figuera device and all other devices whether they rotate the magnetic core or do not do only one thing. They create a time varying magnetic field. A conductor subjected to this time varying magnetic field gets induced Electricity. When we rotate a core as Figuera observed the magnetic drag applies and so we need to provide far higher mechnical energy than the output Electricity. But if we do not rotate the core but rotate only the magnetic field in the core we need to give only a small amount of electrical energy.

Regarding the statement that the magnets in Figuera device can be permanent magnets yes that is very true from my observations and from a theory.

I do not know if this is true or not. But Patrick has taught me that if the magnetic field does not collapse to Zero Lenz law effect would not come in to play and so if we use a circuit with full Wave Diode Bridge and make the output wave +5 to +5 at the bottom and the wave is made in to a full positive sign wave never reaching zero Lenz law would not apply but the magnetic field will be oscillated and electricity would be induced in the conductor. I had the circuit built but the output was only in milliamps and Patrick for safety reasons has limited the voltage to 40 volts. The circuit repeatedly broke down. Even when it worked there was no magnetism in the coils for at 40 volts and milliamps it is not even one watt of input and you do not expect to generate output with that. The circuit can work if the core is permanent magnet of high strength and if the voltage is high. What I have been taught is that Lenz law can come only if the magnetic field collapses to zero to reach no magnetic field condition but if the magnetic field does not collapse to zero and some magnetizm is always present no Lenz law effects can manifest. But again I do not know if this is accurate.

One thing that strikes in the Figuera circuit and BuForn circuit is that the Primaries always go to the Earth. Only if the Voltage is high there is a need to connect to the Earth. If the core was a Permanent Magnet core electricity need not be spent to generate magnetism in the primary coils. I can very assertively say that higher the voltage in the primary higher the voltage in the secondary. This I have observed from direct experimentations.

Patrick wanted me to build the Cater Hubbard device first but it did not work. I have now made it to work.

Since the Hubbard device did not work we tried with Figuera device. Single module only and it was COP<1. We tried to do the multiple modules as shown in the 1908 patent and were disappointed that the results mentioned do not manifest and voltage did not merge. So we built a large core and tried again and it was COP<1 and so I put the secondaries under the primaries as well and tested and in one experiment the secondary voltages merged and the output was COP>8. Because the output was 620 volts or so I directed my staff to disassemble it as they used to experiment carelessly. We have subsequently built many devices and found that we need to cross a particular Voltage in the output coil for the secondary to cross the COP>1 and then it suddenly zooms. If we use permanent magnet core and use high voltage electricity as input to oscillate the permanent magnet core high frequency is not needed and output can be high.

There are many here who do not conduct experiments and post only theory. I do not find fault with them. The labour costs are very high in Western countries and it is not easy to build large cores and experiment. We have wound all coils manually and we have used lot of soft iron.
About 75 kgms of iron, or about 15% of iron bought by me for these experiments have become very mild permanent magnets. This magnetism is destroyed only if we heat the rod.

Now let me know how a motionless device that does not move core but rotates the magnetic field but provides much higher output than input can be called a Transformer and not Generator. Let me also know if the Figuera device acted in violation of the principles of Electromagnetic induction.

Actually these devices are very simple to construct. They are large and need to be built manually and are costly but the principles are very simple. You do not need high frequency but a high voltage input would suffice. High Voltage when combined with permanent magnets always produce COP>1 for high voltage low amperage input is sufficient. Secondary can be thick wire and it would produce both high voltage and high amperage. The permanent magnets need to be large. There is nothing more.

High Frequency is not problem if proper materials are used and I had been taught by a competent person that if we use high votlage and high frequency and ferrite core the size of the devices can be brought down easily.

The French Patent that shows the device to be placed inside a refrigerator is very intelligent. Commonsense approach to keep the cores cool. I do not think many modules are needed and a single module would do.

In my experiments the best one is Ramaswami device and then the Hubbard Configuration and then the Figuera configuration.

I have not attempted to build a self runner for Patrick has warned me that it can result in runaway currents and may even bring in lightening for the self sustaining device is said to bring in extra energy from the environment and can attract lightning and prefer living beings than iron to strike. Is this true or not I do not know but why take a risk when I'm not competent? So I have avoided doing that.

Let me know what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer now..While some people claim they have a working Figuera device and 100 watts input and 300 watts output but would not show it at least there should not be any difficulty in explaining what is the difference between a Transformer and a Generator so at least the confusing language is avoided or understood and an ignorant person like me can learn something.

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Ramaswami
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3959 on: August 16, 2016, 10:28:36 AM »
When you subject a coil of wire to a Zero Frequency induction, what output will you get? Zero

Before a generator can produce output power then the coils in it must be constantly energised by constant movent of magnetic field which is mostly from Permanent Magnet.

Transformers works because the magnetic induction from there primaries as FREQUENCY or in other words, they oscillate to and fro.

So you can replace Permanent magnet with electromagnet and generate power. Every Transformer have Electromagnet as it Primary to induce the secondary winding or Coil much like what is happening in device called POWER GENERATORS.

However, in true sense, A Transformer (Mostly Motionless) is a Generator while Generator (Most times Motional) is a Transformer as the Speed of the Rotor, Amount of Turns of Coil, The Gauge of Wire and Strength of Permanent Magnet determines it total output power.

So in trafo, you induced via electromagnet in gen, you induce via permanent magnet. You calculate turns of wire in both to get your needed output Wattage.

In Trafo, the Electromagnet is the Primary in Gen, The Permanent Magnet is the Primary. The only difference is The former uses Iron to convey induction with ease while the later uses Air to Convey induction with ease.

So Marathonman, what are Trying to Twist?/You ain't even doing da Twist Smartly.

A Trafo is a Generator vice-versa.

The additionally needed word is Lenzless Transformer or Lenzless Generator. And you cannot achieve that with any style of induction.

YOU CAN ONLY ACHIEVE LENZLESS OUTPUT POWER WITH COIL WINDING DIRECTION AND PROPER CONNECTION. SO IT IS ABOUT THE WIRE NOT THE INDUCTION.