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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2335005 times)

marathonman

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Cadman, sorry i almost forgot about you.

the two top circuits will not work as they will block the inductive kickback from the receding electromagnet from reaching part G. nothing can be between the primaries and part G on the low side or self running will never take place.

gmolina

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Figuera principle, animation of magnetic field behavior.

GM

Cadman

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Thank you MM.

I suspected the top two circuits were no good based on what you said earlier about the inductive kickback, but I wasn't sure.

So the bottom two circuits are viable.

I am aware that the diode bridge may not be a good means of rectification for this, but I want to try it anyway. I am referring to the Tesla patent for rectification that Doug spoke about. I hope that is not necessary.

So, judging from your reply to Sam6, heavier wire for the inductors, fewer turns, more amps, low inductance for rapid field response, no air gaps, more than two inductors to get the combined high output wattage.

That's a lot of information. Thank you very much!

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My understanding of one of Faraday's experiments is that he pushed a bar magnet toward a loop of wire that had a galvanometer attached to the ends of the wire. When he pushed one pole of the magnet toward the wire, the galvanometer deflected in one direction, and when he retracted the magnet the galvanometer deflected in the opposite direction. The magnitude of the deflection was proportional to the rate of change of the flux through the loop.

If he went to the other side of the loop and caused the same pole of the magnet to approached the loop, the deflection of the galvanometer was opposite that of the initial approach deflection. In other words a magnet approaching a loop from the right produces the same deflection as a magnet receding from the left and vice versa.

My further understanding is that in a setup with 1) two bar magnets facing each other separated by a nonmagnetic bar glued between both like pole faces to keep them separated by a fixed distance and 2) a stationary loop with an attached galvanometer is wrapped around the nonmagnetic bar; if the magnets are moved back and forth, the galvanometer will move back and forth with twice the deflection magnitude as that of a single magnet moved at the same rate.

That says to me that Marathon Man is right: that the electric fields produced in a coil by two like poles of electromagnets facing each other when powered by voltages 90 degrees out of phase are additive.

With that in mind, I have attached a set of calculations for a single phase magnetic circuit based on that principle to produce 16KW. It appears that such a unit will fit in an area less than two feet square by a foot high, and weigh about 300 pounds. One of my major concerns is cooling requirements, as it will have losses amounting to about 1500 watts. I don't know how to calculate the temperature rise and would appreciate help in making that determination.

I have used the equations and methods outlined in some books that have been referenced earlier in this forum and are mentioned in the attached document. Because I want to have a proper understanding of the principles involved, I ask that forum members look the document over and point out errors due to improper logic, misunderstanding of principles, or stupidity. When exploring unfamiliar territory, I need all the help I can get. I would appreciate your comments, criticism, and corrections, as I am want all of us to be able to build these devices with defined outputs without having to mess around with trial and error.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Sam

Hi, please consider that Figuera is a DC device, can recalculate with the signals proposed in figure attached.

GM

Sam6

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Marathon Man
Thanks for your comments. Since I seem to be suffering from an advanced case of optical recticosis, I would appreciate you sharing how you make the calculations for for your 20 KW unit so I can learn the correct method.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Sam

marathonman

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Just so people know, when i am referring to the inductive kick back i am referring to when the receding electromagnet is shoved out of the secondary core into it's own core. when this happens the magnetic field at high pressure is converted in currant being pushed out the back of the coil into part G to be stored in the form of a magnetic field,  thus allowing the device to be self running.

there is no bemf involved in the Figuera device "EVER". if there is,  your timing apparatus is incorrect and induction will cease.
diodes block, Tesla's rectification does not, this is a good thing.

Sam6; i will pm you.

Seeking4thetruth

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Very sad that no one in this thread is able to upload a whole circuit diagram of the device (not the 1908's one, but a modern drawning of the device). We are not even asking you to spend millions of dollars and hundreds of hours of time in building the device by yourself, but a simple and modern circuit diagram (using in MS Paint, it should take few time to sketch out).

We are not even asking for photos, or videos, or audio files. Just a modern circuit diagram of the Figuera device. Period.

Meanwhile, during the two hundreds and a half pages of the thread, some circuits diagrams have been upload, but from certain parts of the device and not the device itself. How is anyone supposed to build by himself nothing if there is not even a full diagram of the device yet? I checked Hanon's webpage as well, and there wasn't one.

NRamaswami

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@seeking4thetruth

I have earlier posted pictures of coils I worked with.

It is easy to reach Cop> 1 in Figuera. I have not built a self runner.

I believe there are 4 to 6 members in the forum who have built self runners but they will not admit  it.

I have done various experiments and I have checked the patent databases. The 1902 and 1908 patents are substantially misleading though proper design has been deciphered by many who do not bother to post. I do not think the documents online show real devices of Figuera. However if we see how magnets behave then we can find out. This has been done.

No one learns swimming by reading how to swim?..

You must jump in to the water to learn to swim. There is a lot of information and misinformation in these 250 plus pages and you need to experiment and learn.

Regards

Ramaswami

Doug1

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mm and sam
  If the frequency is fixed or needs to be fixed then the strength of the field is the only other variable to the output. Regulation of the input is where your getting lost. You already know enough to work it out you just lack the self confidence or the method to keep your thoughts in place. Make a dynamic paper model of part G place it fixed on a dry erase board so you can do the calculations on the board as the contact sweeps through it's motion accounting for every action and counter action in reference to time. There is no point in cheating or taking short cuts.You cant cheat yourself and have it work out.If when your done you can conceive of some modern equivalent substitute then good for you. There is a artistic value to the original design that you will miss out on. I guess some people are more about getting rich writing books about getting rich from writing books about how to become rich while others just enjoy the act of useful work.

marathonman

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This is my circuit i am presently working with if you must know.
drawn for simplicity and understanding.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2016, 05:25:58 PM by marathonman »

hanon

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I have just read that Utkin has ordered to remove his documents from Patrick Kelly ebook. Chapter 22 was the key for many OU devices as Figuera generator and many others: two magnetic fields in repulsion being moved or distorted. In order to keep this info online I post here a copy of the files from chapter 22, the pdf file of that chapter and some sketches

wistiti

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This is my circuit i am presently working with if you must know.
drawn for simplicity and understanding.
Thank you!
Do it show a "Split/gap" on the core?

marathonman

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Split but no gaps. if you have to cut the core secure it with 4 pieces of flat bar on either side of cut, top and bottom then secure with flat head bolts. make your cut, then take some resin and reattach. when dry it would be good with a layer or two of glass cloth and resin so it doesn't fly apart from the pressure and hurt some one. then make your bobbins (from experience).

ps. Hanon,  it sounds like Utkin has his device stuck where the sun don't shine. doesn't bother me a bit because i never followed him anyways. i have dedicated my life to Figuera.

MM

hanon

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An interesting reading about scalarbeamer and its polarity:

http://www.gocs1.com/gocs1/Psionics/SCALARBEAMER.htm

Gennady Nikolaev : "...in the space where the the total vectorial magnetic field of two magnets is equal to zero, the total value of scalar magnetic field of two magnets is  maximal."

Doug1

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Hannon

 The condition to two fields in respect to time and strength are why it is zero. Two objects exerting the same amount of pressure on each other cancel out in the middle while the force if the two subjects are elastic will expand in the only direction left which is out in the direction where no force is applied. Thats not what is happening in the generator exclusively the force is not equal in respect to time or strength except at the minimal level to do away with the additional time to build up sufficiently at the rate of speed required. Reversal takes time and magnetic friction generates heat none of which are useful except to cook food or heat water.

 I feel for Vlad he should have chosen a better venue.