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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334801 times)

NRamaswami

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Mr. Darediamond:

I very rarely come and check this site nowadays.

If you are using identical poles as primary NS-NS-SN or N-Y-S as it is claimed with a straight bar in the center the output as I have measured is zero wattage normally. To check when the output can come we tested with a very large magnetic core and we managed to get some output in the secondary but the efficiency was very very low. For the two magnetic fields cancel each other out.

However it is possible to take out significant electricity using identical pole primaries to oppose each other. What happens then is that the magnetic fields will repel each other and move side ways. The closer the two identical poles the greater is the magnetic deflection. You can test this with two permanent magnets. Identical poles will repel each other.

The simple trick is to put a Cross like strucutre in the middle of the Y coil. Then the secondary will have three cores one in X Axis, one in Y Axis and one in Z axis. If you wind coils on the Y axis core and Z axis core and connect them you would have a Lenz Law free output. The Lenz law effect is not present for the magnetic field is deflected or scattered from the primaries and does not go back to the primaries. But putting this up is a little complex and difficult exercise. The secondary must be inside the core dia of the two primaries and must be cross inserted at the middle and windings must be on the cross. In order to increase the magnetic field strength you can use multifilar coils.

If pulsed DC is used the output of many of these secondaries can be combined and as voltage increases in pulsed DC amperage also increases. The primary input would be very negligible and secondary output would be higher. This is one of the two ways the identical pole primaries opposing each other can produce significant output. However the Figuera device does not show this cross in the middle but shows a straight core. Only a NS-NS-NS type of arrangement would work for that geometry.

You can easily test this and report the results yourself. I'm unable to replicate these arrangements as I'm not presently well. Any one on the forum can test this.

I have not tested the specific arrangement that is being promoted by Mr. Marathonman and therefore I cannot say any thing about it. Experimental results always triumph theoretical postulations. We can only learn from such experimental observations.

Regards,

Ramaswami

marathonman

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words of wisdom and scientific truth shall set Figuera free.

darediamond

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I don't have to cover my tracks, people make mistakes. it is all about learning from them in which i did and then some. my knowledge of the Figuera device surpasses most everyone on this forum except Doug. why ? because of my desire to succeed and learn.
i freely share what i have learned and if that's a crime then i am guilty as charged.
i would suggest you quite living in the past and get back to your research.

i really doubt your on this forum to learn though, your actions say otherwise. this is probably why no one listens to you because of your ill intentions.
i almost feel sorry for you, NOT!8

good day Mr. darediamond
Who needs to be felt sorry for if NOT you Marathon man, the Kite.
You are yet to learn from your childish blunders because you are still stinkingly repeating them.
Ever since you have been on this thread, Never have you shown a live part of your Figuera Gen nor a Machine you build to make it coils or any other parts.
I asked you earlier to show people on here homebuilt part G or in whole your working Figuera Generator but you will only resort to insultive replies.

What the hell is your problem?

What?

I am a Builder. An hardened self-trained one and you as well thouhg arrogant is aware of that. The very First or Second Post I made on this thread which you insulted me about proves myself acclaimed status. I designed tools and machines on my own as well as learning from others. SO LIKE I TOLD YOU SOMETIMES AGO, YOU ARE NOT IN ANYWAY QUALIFIED TO TEACH ME NOR TELL ME TO GO INTO RESEARCH. I am not all knowing mind you because I Dare Diamond is like every other Man is imperfect. However to learn from someone like you requires one eye closed and one eye Vividly opened.

What you are sharing is outdated. The Part G is cumbersome. High Frequency AC from a Pure Sine Wave Inverter is all the Figuera Gen Needs. The Capacitance of The Primaries and the type of Core used would as well determined the Output.

North to North is hogwash because the saying which I is true is "DO NOT KILL THE DIPOLES" So the lezless effect in the center will be high and low as the AC switches one side to North and the other to South and Vince versa at each cycle. So the attraction will be in left at one cycle.and rigth because North is the Husband while South is the Wife to say it in a more simpler manner.

Garry Stanley motor as well uses the same Principle of not killing the Diapole.

Where does your own Odd theory comes from?

Bucking Coil is only useful for the Secondaries which can be wound under each Primaries and still tap the Center too which will then makes the Output secontons 3.

You DO NOT BUCK THE PRIMARIES AND EXPECT ANY USEFULL OUTPUT.

SHOW US YOUR WORKING MODEL THAT SUPPORTS YOUR N to N claim. But I know you will never do that.
Wanna insult me again to keep up with your lies spreading?/
Let's hear you....

marathonman

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It's obvious you can not nor will ever be able to think out side the box. no abstract thinking so your Figuera device will never come to fruitation.
just because you can't understand Figueras device doesn't mean other can't.

Seeking4thetruth

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Could someone post a completed and updated circuit diagram of the Figuera's device, taking into account all the discoveries already made in this thread, please?

marathonman

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Daredummy your as ignorant as they come.

post your stuff and ill post mine.
I haven't seen shit from you either, i wonder why with your warped thinking.

darediamond

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Daredummy your as ignorant as they come.

post your stuff and ill post mine.
I haven't seen shit from you either, i wonder why with your warped thinking.
4 hours ago, the spirit of disobedience in you nearly calmed down but you disrupted him and that make him go haywire. See what he is making you do now. Just listen to yourself and have a rethink. Many people have challenged you in the past but you never give any sensible and convincing defense of what you are promoting. But there one thing you always do: keeping to immaturity; acting like a baby.

Marathon The Kite for how long?

wistiti

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Could someone post a completed and updated circuit diagram of the Figuera's device, taking into account all the discoveries already made in this thread, please?
I hope so too!!!
But as always, the "ego" seem to take over the rest... We are all here for the same goal... But just with not the same knowledge.

marathonman

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QUOTE  "I have read everything I could find from Doug1 and from you, a lot of goodies there.
So I followed you from the start to now and I have seen the progress you have made, very good research and nice pictures to explain.
It is very helpful when I try to understand how the Figuera device works.
I felt that I have enough info now to start my self.
I have also read the patents available on line too.

I have seen Darediamonds posts, I really don't know what he is trying to achieve?
Seems like he is trying to confuse things and to make you and doug1 to be pissed and leave the thread.
I guess he want the research to stop, I don't see any other logical explanation."

this is a direct quote from another new person, i get these types of PM's on a daily basis from many, many people. do you ever stop and wonder why ??

people of this forum, there is many ways to wind your primaries, just use common coil winding techniques. as for the part G well it is a magnetic resistor/splitter and needs to be wound according to your primary/secondary ratio and core material.
if you are using a 1-1.6 ratio then i have to take my receding primary down only 1/3 rd of the way to clear the secondary. if you use a 1-1 ratio then you will need to take it down half way to clear the secondary.
get my drift.

MM

Cadman

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These are a few circuits that I will be testing.

Doug or MM, care to comment?

darediamond

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QUOTE  "I have read everything I could find from Doug1 and from you, a lot of goodies there.
So I followed you from the start to now and I have seen the progress you have made, very good research and nice pictures to explain.
It is very helpful when I try to understand how the Figuera device works.
I felt that I have enough info now to start my self.
I have also read the patents available on line too.

I have seen Darediamonds posts, I really don't know what he is trying to achieve?
Seems like he is trying to confuse things and to make you and doug1 to be pissed and leave the thread.
I guess he want the research to stop, I don't see any other logical explanation."

this is a direct quote from another new person, i get these types of PM's on a daily basis from many, many people. do you ever stop and wonder why ??

people of this forum, there is many ways to wind your primaries, just use common coil winding techniques. as for the part G well it is a magnetic resistor/splitter and needs to be wound according to your primary/secondary ratio and core material.
if you are using a 1-1.6 ratio then i have to take my receding primary down only 1/3 rd of the way to clear the secondary. if you use a 1-1 ratio then you will need to take it down half way to clear the secondary.
get my drift.

MM
You can come up with whatever to egg yourself on. But then truth is Dough1 is not part of your lies for the second time again here on this page http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12439-re-inventing-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-11.html he quoted Renowned  UFO Politics about what the correct polarity is and he was schooled about it.
If show us all  via live clean clear demonstrations how N-N or Same Pole will  produce output then the story will change.
Just do it. Action speaks more than words.

Sam6

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My understanding of one of Faraday's experiments is that he pushed a bar magnet toward a loop of wire that had a galvanometer attached to the ends of the wire. When he pushed one pole of the magnet toward the wire, the galvanometer deflected in one direction, and when he retracted the magnet the galvanometer deflected in the opposite direction. The magnitude of the deflection was proportional to the rate of change of the flux through the loop.

If he went to the other side of the loop and caused the same pole of the magnet to approached the loop, the deflection of the galvanometer was opposite that of the initial approach deflection. In other words a magnet approaching a loop from the right produces the same deflection as a magnet receding from the left and vice versa.

My further understanding is that in a setup with 1) two bar magnets facing each other separated by a nonmagnetic bar glued between both like pole faces to keep them separated by a fixed distance and 2) a stationary loop with an attached galvanometer is wrapped around the nonmagnetic bar; if the magnets are moved back and forth, the galvanometer will move back and forth with twice the deflection magnitude as that of a single magnet moved at the same rate.

That says to me that Marathon Man is right: that the electric fields produced in a coil by two like poles of electromagnets facing each other when powered by voltages 90 degrees out of phase are additive.

With that in mind, I have attached a set of calculations for a single phase magnetic circuit based on that principle to produce 16KW. It appears that such a unit will fit in an area less than two feet square by a foot high, and weigh about 300 pounds. One of my major concerns is cooling requirements, as it will have losses amounting to about 1500 watts. I don't know how to calculate the temperature rise and would appreciate help in making that determination.

I have used the equations and methods outlined in some books that have been referenced earlier in this forum and are mentioned in the attached document. Because I want to have a proper understanding of the principles involved, I ask that forum members look the document over and point out errors due to improper logic, misunderstanding of principles, or stupidity. When exploring unfamiliar territory, I need all the help I can get. I would appreciate your comments, criticism, and corrections, as I am want all of us to be able to build these devices with defined outputs without having to mess around with trial and error.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Sam

marathonman

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again, i am amazed i even respond to your continued delirious delusions and miss quotes. look at your post again, you will realize he is talking to Hanon NOT Doug1. DUH!
ufopolitics is wrong also, if you take a north electromagnet up and a south electromagnet down the spin directions are opposing, that means the induced currant will be opposing also. you people never cease to amaze me. the Figuera device can "NOT" nor ever will be a north south electromagnet. this is,  and will always be a scientific fact no matter how hard the bone head try's to make it work it just won't happen.
do you people ever stop to realize why no video has EVER been posted getting high output with N/S set up.
BECAUSE IT WILL NOT WORK ! DUH !

hanon

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MM, you have to learn one very important subject. Do not feed the trolls.

Obviously they just want to argue and spoil the thread for some reason..... I dont care, there is so much garbage already in 250 pages here that is imposible to dig for good designs. All important info is collected is my site, which is a troll-free place.

I am 100% with you, maybe just some discrepancies in the part G which for me is not pure Figuera, but it may work also.

As I always add some technical data, contrary to trolls, here goes some good data to know:

http://overunity.com/14711/is-faradays-induction-law-correct/msg489010/#msg489010

marathonman

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very well put, and thank you very much.

but i beg to differ on part G though. it is and will all ways be a rotating magnetic resistor that stores the kick back from the receding electromagnet being pushed out of the secondary. no one on this forum can change that, not myself, Doug1 or Figuera himself  if he was alive.
it can be made non moving also but the function will never change no matter how hard one tries.

PS. i don't follow Feynman because i think he's full of shit but Hooper, now your talking. he proved the validity of the Figuera device 70 years later.

Sam6;

Wow ! where do i start. your heat and copper losses are way off.  there is no air gap.  your amper turns for the primaries are not even in the ball park. that many turns has way to much induction to respond adequately in time.   the total weight of the devise is about twice of what you need.

i have a 20k output planned and it weighs 135 lbs  plus wire.
you have to realize those equations are for a standard mega loss generator and some do not apply here and others not so severe.

i do applaud you efforts though, it's good to see someone using their brain.

MM