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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334994 times)

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3420 on: April 01, 2016, 12:12:50 AM »
NRamaswami: I have studied each and every paragraph of all the patents and almost word for word so their is Nothing you can tell me new.

Apparently you need to reread about part G about 50 more times and think out side that boxed brain of yours.
part G is the most essential part of his device, without it the device will not replace the losses from heat and wire loss or store the energy from the declining electromagnet being shoved out of the secondary.
it's all about magnetism, he uses it to produce electricity, he uses it to regulate his device, he uses it to store excess energy in the core of part G to replace losses. get off your asses and study magnetism, electromagnetism, reluctance and the like then the door to your boxed brain will open up.

Come on people start using your brain, you know the thing that rattles in the upper part of your body.
get of the ass and trace the dates in Germany to Figuera's time and you will see what was used.

Hanon; I thought we were working on 1908 ???? you keep me confused some times..... FOCUS !

NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3421 on: April 01, 2016, 07:30:08 AM »
Marathonman:

You are behaving like a child. Avoid childish conduct.

1. The rotary device does only one thing. It makes and breaks contacts continuously. It needs to do it for the device to work.

2. The rotary device also uses high current and so the current needs to be reduced and the voltage increased. This is done in interrupted DC by providing resistance coils.

3. This does not mean that this is the one and only method of varying the magnetic field strength. Only thing needed to be achieved is to increase and decrease the magnetic field strength to achieve a higher output than input. This has been verified by not only me but others as well.

4. The rotary device also serves the purpose of avoiding the runaway current situation by providing the primaries to earth. The maximum that the primary can reach is the till magnetic saturation of the cores. Nothing more.

5. This can be done again by using a simple spark plug and providing the primarie end to the earth. No runaway current.

I try to understand by experimenting and making observations. I do not try to study and assume and give that assumption a sense of validity.

You need to Grow up first.

By the way where is the your first device?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3422 on: April 01, 2016, 09:57:29 AM »
Como pueden comprobar, las personas, intentan alejar de CF. O de los datos buenos.
Las pruebas que hicimos, año 2012, :> Batería de vehículo, inverter, vasos de agua (regular la electricidad) condensador, 4 bobinas de inducción, diodo, (consumo 220volt 0.8amp 176watt )= =) salida 2 taladros de 550watt + lijadora de banda 1200watt, + decapador 500watt, + radial 500watt todo encendido, +cargador de baterías 12volt 10amp.
Salud, se termina tiempo.

As you can see, people, try to stay away from CD. Or the good data.
The tests we did, year 2012:> vehicle battery, inverter, water glasses (regular electricity) condenser, 4 induction coils, diode, (consumption 220volt 0.8amp 176watt) =) output 2 holes 550watt + sander 1200watt band, + stripper 500watt, 500watt + radial everything on, + 12volt 10amp battery charger.
Health, time is up.

Muy interesante, muchas gracias Ignacio.

My translation with questions/comments in square brackets:

"As you can see, people try to avoid CF [Clemente Figuera], or the good information.
The tests we carried out in 2012: car battery, inverter, buckets of water (to regulate the electricity) [simple if dangerous system for varying resistance by raising and lowering electrodes in water?], 4 induction coils [the inducers?], diode, (consumption [for variable resistance, inducers and diodes?] 220volt 0.8amp 176W )= =) output 2 x 550W drills + belt sander 1200W, + stripper [heat gun?] 500W, + circular saw all switched on, + 12volt 10amp battery charger,
Best wishes, no more time."

Three obvious questions:
* how long did it run?
* was the 12V charger recharging the car battery?
* what happened next?

As I said, many thanks for sharing this information.

Best wishes
Batfish




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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3423 on: April 01, 2016, 10:19:39 AM »
Ignacio, I realise that 'vasos' may mean 'pot[entiometer]s' - but the effect is the same: variable resistance.

Batfish

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3424 on: April 01, 2016, 05:16:57 PM »
Ignacio, I realise that 'vasos' may mean 'pot[entiometer]s' - but the effect is the same: variable resistance.

Batfish
Consumo 176watt.
Produce +++2000watt
+- ½ hora  , caliente agua, (H, H, O, ¿?)
Al desconectar 1 aparato, subir mucho el voltaje.
Vaso agua, 2 electrodos, acercar, aumento amperaje.

176 watt consumption.
+++ Produces 2000 watt
+ - ½ hour, hot water, (H, H, O,?)
When disconnecting one machine, turn up the voltage much.
Cup water, 2 electrodes, zoom, amperage increase.

Que mas da. lo que diga yo, solo lo que hagas tu, es valido.

Who cares. what I say, just what do you, is valid.

ignacio

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3425 on: April 01, 2016, 07:12:33 PM »
Solo pruebas rápidas, peligroso.
Only rapid tests, dangerous.

NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3426 on: April 01, 2016, 09:26:16 PM »
Ignacio..

Avoid dangerous tests. We can always succed with another effort.

While may not be pure Figuera your effort is commendable but avoid taking too high risks.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3427 on: April 01, 2016, 09:57:52 PM »
Ignacio..
While may not be pure Figuera your effort...

Ramaswami, Your device is the one that each day is farther from Figuera's design. Sparks, high frequency, high voltage,tons of iron required,  , earth connecttions, complex windings, primary and secondary winded one above the other...etc....Nothing of this is ever mentioned in the patents. I do not know what happened to your original design. Your design is more similar to McFarland Cook if so. Your posts are really messy and no clear design can be found there. Sorry for saying this but this is my impression.

Ignacio is using the capacitor to create a second unphased signal, the same thing that the commutator is doing in the 1908 patent. But you have never understood the commutator and I guess you do not know either the function of capacitors.

As fa as I have understood the two electrodes sumerged into water act as a current regulator. It allows to use 220 V AC as input even without any step down transformer. You may adjust  the current into the electromagnets by adjusting the distance between the two electrodes. In simple words is a kind of homemade variable transformer, for quick tests, not for continuous operation.

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3428 on: April 02, 2016, 12:08:48 AM »
Hanon;

It's more and more like Bozo the Clown tech support and this thread is the Big Top Carnival.

in my opinion there is only a few people on this thread that is actually trying to make the figuera device even remotely like the patent describes. the rest fall into the above category. 



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3429 on: April 02, 2016, 12:17:21 AM »
New version on the Patrick Kelly ebook in the section dedicated to Figuera:

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt3.html

I miss some explanation about the opposite movement of the two fields back and forth.

NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3430 on: April 02, 2016, 12:28:26 AM »
Hanon

I beg to disagree.When I started posting my results you wanted a simple device people can build at low cost. Unfortunately a device that outputs 300 amps in secondary of an Electromagnetic core must carry wire has to be a huge coil. The reported voltage is around 68 volts. Now condifder how many turns of that coil should be made to reach the voltage.Also calculate the size of the core that can provide the magnetic field to produce such an amperage. The size of iron core becomes obvious.If a device can be commonly used it must have safty features and should not cause health hazards.High frequency current does not cause injuries and is dangerous only if the wires come in contact with water. Figuera must have used 6 to 8 inch dia cores or more to get the reported amperage.And voltage.  I am only using a call rated to be safe at 120 amps and I do not expect to reach more than 60 volts and probably 40 ampps now. I will need to add more modules to get about 220 volts when I may be able to hit 120 amps for a total estimated input of 1000 watts.
For the reason of health envitonment we may have to put the device underground and run tesys for more than a month of continued operations. The rotary device G makes it impossible for the generator to work for long time.  It is bound to fail within a week or a month of continued operations. We have checked with high power carbon brushes but they also wear out.We have seen that many inconsistencies between the statement in the patent and our observations. We are not going to change the parts of a generator once in a week and make new connections again and again.
Principle is correct but some statements made in the patent are contrary to facts.
I have to admit that I have to meet several goal posts.
Safety of operations.
No health hazard
No risk of magnetic leakage of radiation
No excessive heat.
Sustainability of operation
A minimum of one or two months of maintenace free operation.
These are the goals now. If you want me to show less in

put and more outputand sustained operations I can do it now but the ririsks are not yet covered.

The entire thing may have to be placed underground to test all thisand to be accepted as safe.

If I have to use pulsed dc as it appears now I will need to use single coil.

But.please go back and look at your own posts to see that the patent does not disclose any thing concrete about the device even the polarity of the poles.

So I only look at the principle.

If you feel that I am straying away I will stop posting and happilly file a patent yo get funds to do the research. It is very difgicult to continue.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3431 on: April 02, 2016, 01:45:09 AM »
Hannon

 Did Patrick spell your name wrong? lol

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« Reply #3432 on: April 02, 2016, 08:33:26 AM »
some thoughts about hanon last pic which shows two columns of oposing electromagnets.
why we dont use south poles just north ones? :) using both poles could give 2x output theoreticaly :)
columns coult be blaced in a line or in circle config

Doug1

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« Reply #3433 on: April 02, 2016, 01:07:26 PM »
Posted a few pages back
"PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION

"Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion."

 

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« Reply #3434 on: April 02, 2016, 02:40:27 PM »
When the brush rotate around in contact with two or more bars. Are bars larger then wires? How long does it take to wear out bars? Even a motor commutator uses something more like bars then wires for the contact surface for the brush. Changing a brush out isnt that hard. How long do motors run with brushes? I'll bet it is longer then a month. Im not gonna say it is 10 years but it is way more then a month. thats without even getting into the better type brushes which are made to take a beating on really beefy motors. All that also excludes the notion of a wheel which will last even longer then a brush.